LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Started by Burning thought85 pages
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
facepalm
If I have a gun, and I choose to throw it at you instead of shoot you, I am shafting myself. This is what you're implying Ganon has done. He can and has on multiple occasions used full speed lightning. The only difference is that in this case Link reflected it, so the player had to be capable of reacting.

No, ime implying the developers simply did not want Ganon using lightning in this fight. If he didnt then its not a feat, you cant go around claiming he did just because you think it was a more viable tactic. Ganon didnt, no feat.

Nah, I countered your "player has to be capable of reacting" joke by outling how developer decision was not to have this power be quick and that Ganon did not use lightning, he used another power.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Me post evidence?

NEVER!

Those vids are supposed to support Ganon using full speed natural lightning against Link? 😕

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, ime implying the developers simply did not want Ganon using lightning in this fight. If he didnt then its not a feat, you cant go around claiming he did just because you think it was a more viable tactic. Ganon didnt, no feat.

Nah, I countered your "player has to be capable of reacting" joke by outling how developer decision was not to have this power be quick and that Ganon did not use lightning, he used another power.

Those vids are supposed to support Ganon using full speed natural lightning against Link? 😕

Lol? That IS lightning. You can see it. 😐 He's holding lightning before he throws it, when it hits, it crackles with electric power. Period. It is lightning.

Those videos support feats of me posting evidence. uhuh

I cant see it because it seems your vids of "evidence" (which Scenario has posted before so many times before you) does not display it. And just because it crackles with electric power its lightning? with what you assume is electric power no less? didnt you argue that we should not use in-game gameplay graphics as a gauge of a power? or does this only apply to things that coillapse your already tired fanon....

Originally posted by Burning thought
I cant see it because it seems your vids of "evidence" (which Scenario has posted before so many times before you) does not display it. And just because it crackles with electric power its lightning? with what you assume is electric power no less? didnt you argue that we should not use in-game gameplay graphics as a gauge of a power? or does this only apply to things that coillapse your already tired fanon....
Lolwut?

Also, Moo and I posted those videos before Scenario signed up here, to you, you just ignored them. 😐

Can you not see the ****ing lightning ion his hand before he attacks? The same ****ing lightning he's used to attack Link in multiple games? In some games Link has to reflect it, so the player has to be able to. Simple. Gameplay. Mechanic.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Bo never entered the Goron mines. 😐

Was far enough in that it would of been pretty damn hot for any human.

Be easier to keep the lightning thing in one thread.

I dont ignore evidence my little compadre, you see what you call "ignore" is perhaps the same as trashing the evidence as useless as it usually is kinda like how you call me "ignoring evidence" now despite none for this lightning being provided.

now now chief, relax and calm down. I can see streaks of some kind of energy, I would not go into assuming that its lightning especially when evidence suggests its slow. Yes right, it has to be slow so players can react to it, maybe it has to apprently "look" like lightning so players are able to see it lol....🙂

Ofc thats BS, in truth its just a slow orb, therefore Link and Ganons feats are deflecting slow orbs.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Was far enough in that it would of been pretty damn hot for any human.

Be easier to keep the lightning thing in one thread.

Nah, the Sumo ring IIRC was basicly outdoors. 😐

Wonder how the DMC or KH verse would fair in these fights.. also wonder what would happen if someone sneakily brainwashed Zelda or a person in high position to make the army give up.

SP- Cant remember precisely but it was in the volcano with the door to the lava dungeon in the same room,

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wonder how the DMC or KH verse would fair in these fights.. also wonder what would happen if someone sneakily brainwashed Zelda or a person in high position to make the army give up.

SP- Cant remember precisely but it was in the volcano with the door to the lava dungeon in the same room,

YouTube video
At about 3:00, it's right at the entrance. Also, Link is about to take on a whole crowd of Gorons at once with his bare hands. Epic.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You failed, you succeeded in simply stating some lack of facts without evidence, you can clear this up by showing vids for the following:

Video 1:

Proof Dangoro is heavy.

Video 2:

proof Ganondorf matches Link in strength.

Video 3:

Zants reaction time feats.

Your point about the light spirit is after Zant called down twilight, hes going to have to knock out all the light spirits here in the first place but whats more, hes going to have to call down twilight first which is ridiculously slow, 4 seconds by my shown video, if not more.

Wrong, we see them running about in it, this has been agreed before by your better so ill not get into a "no itz not!" whine with you.

Not shown to be, your making up feats and powers that are not there especially the MS protection.

He holds a completed helmet which only power was to Midna. No more than anyone else, but this is where you ignore Fyrus' extreme sloth. I would like to see someone put someone in ice quickly, a quick LoZ spell will be nice to see, then maye they have some answer. You can then prove how strong the ice is, if its not that strong then Kains claws and whatnot would make an easy escape, as would teleportation.

There was math and vid evidence from several people, not just myself.

I do it all the time, probelm is this is not what you did. You simply copied a few things Scenario has already said a good few pages back. Were onto newer things now mostly.....

Inspire hate alone beats all of the main Hyrule cast, they go mad and kill eachother.

Well, before I begin with my turn of the ass kicking, I'll let you know that facts do not need evidence to be supported if it's a known fact. They only need evidence to be proven fact. So yeah, GJ.

YouTube video

0:30, watch as these massive chains that support the entire stone platform snap under Dangoro's weight. All four at the exact same time. They just snap. That's some heavy shit, man. Larger in size than anything Kain ever lifted too, so without applying the proper mathematics we assume Dangoro and the stone platform are heavier than anything Kain ever lifted. Math seem a little more useful now?

YouTube video

0:54 The famous Sword Lock. Link is actually able to overpower Ganon, but this still puts Ganon above Kain.

Reaction time is irrelevant to this discussion. You're lucky I wasted as much of my day on those two videos as I did. You're just going to ignore it anyway.

As for the Light Spirits, yeah, he would have to knock them out. But this is assuming he even needs them and can't just solo them without them like he can with his room size reality warping ability. And no, it is not ridiculously slow, lmfao. You have no shown video.

Except it's not Twilight, lol. It's Koffing's smoke screen based on absolutely no evidence of it being Twilight. If you look you can clearly see Zant recall his Koffing into it's Pokeball.

'fraid not. Repelling the curse that keeps Link in Wolf Form without even being touched is above Kain's spells. I don't have to invent powers to prove Kain gets his ass beat.

I'll play the same trolling card, because that is really all you deserve. I'd like to see a LoK spell with a feat. And no, when you cannot move your body you cannot escape ice. Because you know, you can't move. >_>

Inspire Hate does nothing because it is a featless spell just like every other spell in the entire Legacy of Kain series. GJ.

And the tunnel to the magma chamber is right besides it, the head would pour through the door to that room.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, before I begin with my turn of the ass kicking, I'll let you know that facts do not need evidence to be supported if it's a known fact. They only need evidence to be proven fact. So yeah, GJ.

YouTube video

0:30, watch as these massive chains that support the entire stone platform snap under Dangoro's weight. All four at the exact same time. They just snap. That's some heavy shit, man. Larger in size than anything Kain ever lifted too, so without applying the proper mathematics we assume Dangoro and the stone platform are heavier than anything Kain ever lifted. Math seem a little more useful now?

YouTube video

0:54 The famous Sword Lock. Link is actually able to overpower Ganon, but this still puts Ganon above Kain.

Reaction time is irrelevant to this discussion. You're lucky I wasted as much of my day on those two videos as I did. You're just going to ignore it anyway.

As for the Light Spirits, yeah, he would have to knock them out. But this is assuming he even needs them and can't just solo them without them like he can with his room size reality warping ability. And no, it is not ridiculously slow, lmfao. You have no shown video.

Except it's not Twilight, lol. It's Koffing's smoke screen based on absolutely no evidence of it being Twilight. If you look you can clearly see Zant recall his Koffing into it's Pokeball.

'fraid not. Repelling the curse that keeps Link in Wolf Form without even being touched is above Kain's spells. I don't have to invent powers to prove Kain gets his ass beat.

I'll play the same trolling card, because that is really all you deserve. I'd like to see a LoK spell with a feat. And no, when you cannot move your body you cannot escape ice. Because you know, you can't move. >_>

Inspire Hate does nothing because it is a featless spell just like every other spell in the entire Legacy of Kain series. GJ.

Ok your claim is the chains are "massive", "strong" etc and my counter is that that platform by itself looks extremely heavy therefore can you prove the chains are holding the platform easily? can you be specific on their strength? You did not use math, you used a formula pretty much based on size, which in this case is irrelevant because A: Dangoro is not that big tbh and B: is a living being, not a solid. Dangoro also bounces on lava, therefore his weight is lighter than rock.

Not really, if Link overpowered Ganon then Ganons not really doing much at all thats impressive if hes beaten is he...

I just proved you wrong as I just analysed evidence from the videos that I could not have done if i had not seen them. Reaction time is very relevent, without it Kain and any other teleporter one hits Link or Ganon with surprise attacks, attacks that do not target durability but the soul or the mind.

Yes I have, I just showed it to you mr "you ignore everythinz!", my video in the previous post, the where Zant invades Zelda and then calls twilight shows how slow it is, and how normal men can survive while being within it.

😆 all its done is reverse a transformation of turning into a wolf and you claim it can now protect against soul and mind powers? 🙄 this is why the link opposition is often a waste of time.

Ofc you can put muscle strain into something. Thats like saying Kratos being chained to a rock completly without being able to move will stop him, ofc it wont. All he has to do is put some muscle into it and they will turn to butter.

Your claiming things are featless while ignoring their function. The function is the feat, the fact is its a targetless one which is fine while Hyrule has no defence or feats of defence.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wonder how the DMC or KH verse would fair in these fights.. also wonder what would happen if someone sneakily brainwashed Zelda or a person in high position to make the army give up.

SP- Cant remember precisely but it was in the volcano with the door to the lava dungeon in the same room,

Thats also an interesting idea, I can avoid the whole "ignoring evidence" banter form this opposition by having a mind control target that has actually been controlled and is fairly vulnerable. Zelda or maybe the Patriarch of the Gorons or any other leader could be mind controlled, only to turn around and demoralise/order their forces to stop, or perhaps attack eachother. Gorons vs ganons army vs hyrulians. Kain for one is a clever strategist and Moebius plays people against eachother throughout, what better than having such ploys and orders be coming from the mouth of Zelda or Goron patriarch?

LoK do not even have to fight to win this with ease.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Reaction time is very relevent, without it Kain and any other teleporter one hits Link or Ganon with surprise attacks, attacks that do not target durability but the soul or the mind.

There's;
-Zant standing behind Link in that 'bringing down twilight' clip, he has no clue 'till he see's him.
-Zelda walking towards Link back, reacts after he hears a step or two.
-Zants quickly moving across a room, zoom so close he can feel Link's breath then moves behind him. To sum up if Zant attacked Link during these movements he would of easily landed the hit.

Does this help, kid?

Sure does bucko. Those are events I would have refered to if asked but now youve summed them up thats very useful, thankies 😄

Better yet, two people yelling the same points at the deaf increases the chances that eventually, they may hear something.

For the sake of visual...ness:
YouTube video 0:13
YouTube video 4:14
YouTube video 1:26 and 3:28

Lightning baby. But yeah, cant remember how these went down before soo.. lets see.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ok your claim is the chains are "massive", "strong" etc and my counter is that that platform by itself looks extremely heavy therefore can you prove the chains are holding the platform easily? can you be specific on their strength? You did not use math, you used a formula pretty much based on size, which in this case is irrelevant because A: Dangoro is not that big tbh and B: is a living being, not a solid. Dangoro also bounces on lava, therefore his weight is lighter than rock.

This platform's use is to provide a path across that pool of lava. These chains are strong enough to support the weight of the platform itself and additional weight of Gorons including Dangoro because he is on the other side of the thing. Strong chains are strong.

Dangoro is very big. At least 10 feet tall if I remember right.

Gorons are stated to be made of Rock. They do not breathe. The only known opening in their bodies is a stomach that they fill with hot spring water and more rocks. As for lava bouncing, toonforce. 🙂

Originally posted by Burning thought
Not really, if Link overpowered Ganon then Ganons not really doing much at all thats impressive if hes beaten is he...

Nah, he is. See, he forces Link to try, which is far more impressive than what Kain could do. Kain is an 80 tonner, right? Well, Link is a 200 tonner at the Dangoro fight and is stated to be increasing in strength all the time as he awakens his power.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I just proved you wrong as I just analysed evidence from the videos that I could not have done if i had not seen them. Reaction time is very relevent, without it Kain and any other teleporter one hits Link or Ganon with surprise attacks, attacks that do not target durability but the soul or the mind.

Not really. 😬 Zant and Ganondorf's teleport is faster due to no required casting movements, for one. They can target those all they want, but it won't do anything.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes I have, I just showed it to you mr "you ignore everythinz!", my video in the previous post, the where Zant invades Zelda and then calls twilight shows how slow it is, and how normal men can survive while being within it.

Twilight is called down in that video, but that smoke screen is nothing more than a smoke screen. And assuming it is Twilight, then normal men have not ran around in it. The soldiers up front were transformed and then immediately commanded to turn around and attack their comrades. It isn't fair to think otherwise really, because nothing supports that. We know Twilight transforms people and we do not know if Zant brought any monsters with him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
😆 all its done is reverse a transformation of turning into a wolf and you claim it can now protect against soul and mind powers? 🙄 this is why the link opposition is often a waste of time.

Well when these powers are magically based abilities that due to feats are inferior to Ganon's magic, then yes. Your terrible logic betrays your efforts.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ofc you can put muscle strain into something. Thats like saying Kratos being chained to a rock completly without being able to move will stop him, ofc it wont. All he has to do is put some muscle into it and they will turn to butter.

You have to be able to get some momentum to break out of it. You know, otherwise there is no way to get the ice to move and crack, or in Kratos' case, put strain on the chains in order to get them to snap.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your claiming things are featless while ignoring their function. The function [b]is the feat, the fact is its a targetless one which is fine while Hyrule has no defence or feats of defence. [/B]

Oh really? The function is the feat. So, these spells can do whatever it is they are meant to do regardless of feats on the other side? So, say, Ganon could possess Kain regardless of whether or not Kain had any feats of resistance to it? Can the armor Ganon wears stop any attack despite any feats of the attacker? After all, that is the function of armor.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats also an interesting idea, I can avoid the whole "ignoring evidence" banter form this opposition by having a mind control target that has actually been controlled and is fairly vulnerable. Zelda or maybe the Patriarch of the Gorons or any other leader could be mind controlled, only to turn around and demoralise/order their forces to stop, or perhaps attack eachother. Gorons vs ganons army vs hyrulians. Kain for one is a clever strategist and Moebius plays people against eachother throughout, what better than having such ploys and orders be coming from the mouth of Zelda or Goron patriarch?

Cool. So while Kain wastes his time doing that, he gets killed by one of the three characters that can solo the LoK verse.

Originally posted by Burning thought
LoK do not even have to fight to win this with ease.

You must have some kind of dyslexia where you mix up your Zs and your Ks.

Kain is at BEST a 50ish tonner.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
This platform's use is to provide a path across that pool of lava. These chains are strong enough to support the weight of the platform itself and additional weight of Gorons including Dangoro because he is on the other side of the thing. Strong chains are strong.

Dangoro is very big. At least 10 feet tall if I remember right.

Gorons are stated to be made of Rock. They do not breathe. The only known opening in their bodies is a stomach that they fill with hot spring water and more rocks. As for lava bouncing, toonforce. 🙂

Nah, he is. See, he forces Link to try, which is far more impressive than what Kain could do. Kain is an 80 tonner, right? Well, Link is a 200 tonner at the Dangoro fight and is stated to be increasing in strength all the time as he awakens his power.

Not really. 😬 Zant and Ganondorf's teleport is faster due to no required casting movements, for one. They can target those all they want, but it won't do anything.

Twilight is called down in that video, but that smoke screen is nothing more than a smoke screen. And assuming it is Twilight, then normal men have not ran around in it. The soldiers up front were transformed and then immediately commanded to turn around and attack their comrades. It isn't fair to think otherwise really, because nothing supports that. We know Twilight transforms people and we do not know if Zant brought any monsters with him.

Well when these powers are magically based abilities that due to feats are inferior to Ganon's magic, then yes. Your terrible logic betrays your efforts.

You have to be able to get some momentum to break out of it. You know, otherwise there is no way to get the ice to move and crack, or in Kratos' case, put strain on the chains in order to get them to snap.

Oh really? The function is the feat. So, these spells can do whatever it is they are meant to do regardless of feats on the other side? So, say, Ganon could possess Kain regardless of whether or not Kain had any feats of resistance to it? Can the armor Ganon wears stop any attack despite any feats of the attacker? After all, that is the function of armor.

Cool. So while Kain wastes his time doing that, he gets killed by one of the three characters that can solo the LoK verse.

You must have some kind of dyslexia where you mix up your Zs and your Ks.

Youve yet to prove those chains are strong, obviously they can support the weight but if thats all they can Support, that and the weight of someone walking across it then its not likely it can take much in the way of jumping on it.

Thats not big...thats prob around as tall as a LoK fire demon give or take a foot. Their not large.

Toonforce, as is the toonlink throwing the toonforce character 😄

No, its really not....and Links never a 200 tonner, Dangoro's moving weight is around 700 pounds+ canon, a ton at best. Link would break his arms off trying to stop Kain, Ganon on the other hand is bested quite handily.

Wont do anything other than kill them, their reaction time will kill them as they cannot react to Lok teleports. Considering this is a battlefield, the slow Hyrulian side do not have to reactions or speed to best someone who does a cast of around 0.6/0.7+ seconds. Most of their powers is in excess.

We also know soldiers can move within and around it, as I said this has been done to death, twilight is a slow and weak power.

But their not inferior nor transformation powers. You have to prove it can resist or reverse these effects, your making whats called a no limit fallacy chum.

Anyone can put strain on something, even if your held in a lock you can still put strain. Hence why Kratos even if held fast would only have to struggle to break free.

Nah thats not what I said, reading comprehension ftw but I seem to be saying this a lot. Feats are the function, power level is relevent but the Hyrulian side have zero defence so they are affected. Its quite simple, kain on the other hand would not be, as hes shown transformation or magical resistances to said powers, Kain has shown mind immunity etc.

Haha, it would take the whole of Hyrule to take on Kain, let alone anyone else like the EG who would just bury them all, Ganon the sloth and Link the unsteady or Zelda the vulnerable are all easy game. Based on feats and powers LoZ are helpless to most of Kains powers, his mind powers are all thats really required to win.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Youve yet to prove those chains are strong, obviously they can support the weight but if thats all they can Support, that and the weight of someone walking across it then its not likely it can take much in the way of jumping on it.

It's a suspiciously large platform, don't you think? Surely it is built for multiple Gorons. Dangoro jumping on it should make no difference.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not big...thats prob around as tall as a LoK fire demon give or take a foot. Their not large.

It's big. Just not as big as other things.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Toonforce, as is the toonlink throwing the toonforce character 😄

Nah, Link throwing it isn't funny. Toonforce follows the Rule of Funny, does it not?

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, its really not....and Links never a 200 tonner, Dangoro's moving weight is around 700 pounds+ canon, a ton at best. Link would break his arms off trying to stop Kain, Ganon on the other hand is bested quite handily.

Yeah, you wish. And no, actually he wouldn't because Kain is nowhere near as heavy as Dangoro.

Dangoro = 200 tons. Kain = 180 pounds at best. Glad you agree.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Wont do anything other than kill them, their reaction time will kill them as they cannot react to Lok teleports. Considering this is a battlefield, the slow Hyrulian side do not have to reactions or speed to best someone who does a cast of around 0.6/0.7+ seconds. Most of their powers is in excess.

No, won't do anything at all. Featless spells are featless and therefore cannot do anything to the multiple characters above human level. And lol, Zant's teleport happens when he thinks it, Kain has to cast for it. Zant kills Kain before Kain activates his. Quite easily too, since he is even capable of swinging his swords before his body is even totally reformed.

Originally posted by Burning thought
We also know soldiers can move within and around it, as I said this has been done to death, twilight is a slow and weak power.

As spirits. They are helpless to those who do not get transformed into spirits.

Originally posted by Burning thought
But their not inferior nor transformation powers. You have to prove it can resist or reverse these effects, your making whats called a no limit fallacy chum.

I don't have to prove anything, because those spells are feat less compared to Ganon's much more powerful magic.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Anyone can put strain on something, even if your held in a lock you can still put strain. Hence why Kratos even if held fast would only have to struggle to break free.

Yeah, they can, provided they can move.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Nah thats not what I said, reading comprehension ftw but I seem to be saying this a lot. Feats are the function, power level is relevent but the Hyrulian side have [b]zero defence so they are affected. Its quite simple, kain on the other hand would not be, as hes shown transformation or magical resistances to said powers, Kain has shown mind immunity etc.[/B]

Except they don't have zero defense. >_> Reading comprehension ftw.

It's quite simple, Ganon, Zant and Link would not be affected based on resistance/immunity to higher level abilities of the same effect.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Haha, it would take the whole of Hyrule to take on Kain, let alone anyone else like the EG who would just bury them all, Ganon the sloth and Link the unsteady or Zelda the vulnerable are all easy game. Based on feats and powers LoZ are helpless to most of Kains powers, his mind powers are all thats really required to win.

Actually it would take the whole of Nosgoth to take on Link. The EG struggled to free his tentacles from some boulders, he isn't burying anything.

And there you go again with that dyslexic problem. I'll fix it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Based on feats and powers LoK are helpless to most of Ganon's powers, Link is all that's really required to win.

There ya go, champ. 👆

I'm going to take a page out of NemeBro's book here and just list stuff at you now. I think that'll make it easier. INCOMING WALL

Originally posted by Burning thought
What proves this is the case? it seems your overhyping it because the only effect is magical light, LoK has that in abundance in both magical and pure forms. Show me that other magical light has no effect on twilight plz.

1. Burden of proof. You're the one claiming that LoK's magical light will get rid of twilight, so it's up to you to prove this. In order to do that, you must prove that LoK's magical light has banished magical darkness. Actually, the quote from Kain implies that magical light is weaker than natural sunlight since it doesn't harm vampires. Twilight handles sunlight with ease.

2. The Tears of Light don't get rid of twilight unless all of them are together.


Well yeh I think its a fair assumption to make because you know...their fighting eachother? so obviously their combined in one battle 🙄 You mean the vampires that are immune with only the fledlings being vulnerable? fledlings that are not even in this matchup.....LoK are immune to twilight because normal soldiers can resist it and it will never be called because it takes 4 seconds+, but whats more, the light spirits cancel it out anyway lol, so all they have to do is kill those who can summon twilight which will take a few seconds before they crush the lightr spirits...simple..

1. I simply assumed it was as if they had gone to war, not the whole universes being jammed together.

2. Midna is also unaffected by sunlight. However,
YouTube video

At 3:00, the light from a Light Spirit damn near kills her. The only reason she wasn't killed is because Lanayru was an ally. The vampires have resistence to sunlight, but not something like this.

3. You're still on normal soldiers? Remember these guys?
YouTube video

3:20, 5:03, 6:52, etc. I know you don't have wolf senses, but even you should be able to see this.

4. At no point has twilight ever taken 4+ seconds. It starts at 0:46 in the Midna video, above, and is complete at 0:47. It's less than a second, can't you see it in front of your eyes?


Thats a complete lie, Kain alone is abundant with them, Vorador and Raziel (hes not a vampire but as good as) has many. BO2 bunch have a good lot and Janos has his fair share.

1. Was I talking about Kain, Vorador, or Janos? No, the average vampire has no feats. The named/special ones do, but they surpass other vampires.

2. Raziel is explictly stated to be stronger than he was as a vampire.
YouTube video

4:38, "Your physical prowess surpasses what you knew in life." Raziel is an outlier, he's not as good as a vampire; he's far better.

3. What are these feats?


The light arrows were formed by the light spirits powers if I understand correctly, this does not mean to say that the passive light protection the spirits possess can be used as a weapon, nice reaching but its never been used that way. And Kains not being one hitted by anything, his magical resistances are leaps and bounds beyond anything Hyrule has to offer although in your moment of despiration at LoZ having anything powerful of note against LoK I am impressed by you trying to think out of the box.

1. See the Midna dying video; above. It's far more powerful than sunlight, and all shadow creatures disappear once the protection returns to an area.

2. What resistence to magic has Kain shown?


Ridiculous? 4+ seconds to cast twilight which you yourself made the timing for at 4 seconds is a very very long time, your vids have showed that normal men can survive twilight if not be entirely immune to it and from what I have seen so far, the only beings affected so easily are those not even knowing whats going on. Your vids help me...

1. I don't recall saying 4+ seconds, but even if I did it was likely a mistake. Now that I've watched the videos again it's a little less than one second.

2. Casual contact =/= immersion. Nothing without Triforce protection or natural affinity has shown any resistence to full immersion in twilight, and partial contact is impossible in the region wide twilight.

3. Link transforms every time he enters twilight, and he knows exactly what's going on.


They did indeed adapt to the specotral realm, still does not discount the fact vampires are still deadly in spiritual form. Thats not vampire evolution...evolution is when Raziel or Kain in life metamorphisis and gain new dark gifts, Raziel gained wings the last time. Their strong as souls, returning to their bodies is yet another advantage.

1. The word is "spectral."

2. Adaptation still takes a long time, and the spectral realm is stated to be what allows them to grow more powerful. They will be destroyed befoe they can adapt to the twilight, if they can at all.
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/az/vampirewraiths.php


Thats a poor attempt at trying to make use of the fact ive not played LoZ, a poor one because ive seen the video before and thats not a fragment of the fused shadows, thats the combined shadows completed into a helmet 😉

1. Hm? The completed form is bigger, covering all of Midna's face. That peice of the Fused Shadow is just what she wears.

2. It still proves that Ganondorf resists the Fused Shadow.


Its everything ime claiming it to be because thats what we see, we see an enraged Raziel being beaten time and time again by Kain, Kain does something else iirc in Defiance. Kain pushes Raziel back with ease, and he survives thousands of tonnes of pressure without a scratch....Kain is immortal and nigh invulnerable, especially to LoZ.

1. No, it really isn't. Allow me to show you.
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1:35, Kain catches Raziel in mid-air, which is impressive, but does not pit Kain's strength against Raziel's. Raziel responds with what looks like an attempt to wiggle, barely putting up even token resistence.

2:05, Raziel fails to scratch the cloth holding up Kain's cape, plus the standard punching sound effects suggest the claws were not even in use.

2:13, Raziel's arm hovers an few centimeters in front of Kain while he listens to what Kain has to say. He even lets Kain grab his arm with no more challenge than a simple glance before forgetting its existence.

2:49, that teleport is absolutely pathetic, and he needs to use his hands to do it. It took 6 full seconds for Kain to cross a room. He could have jumped it in less time.

The entire scene is rife with PIS, and I wish that Raziel would have actually tried, since I kinda like the guy.

2. Can you show me the Defiance scene? All I remember is Kain defeating Raziel and then Raziel WTFPWNing Kain all the way to the Demon Realm.


Dangoros area which was a large platform propped on top of a smaller one, its no wonder balance was poor....its the same thing if you put a spinning top on its side. The heavier top will fall if you tap it because its only a small bottom holding it up.

1. What are you talking about?
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At 0:34 you can clearly see that Dangoro's arena is all one platform floating in magma.

2. It's more like a giant metal hemispherical platform floating in a pool of molten rock.


Show me an example for your claims because imo you do indeed need to have the strength to overpower a heavy object scraping across the ground with friction working against you. If you put a stone slab on the ground weighing 100 tonnes, I would need at least around that much strength in my arms to get it moving so easily, let alone sending it a meter or so with but a tap. And what Raziel does, flipping it is just as good if not better than lifting it, as hes not using his full bodies strength. You keep talking about wrong timing, and even in that scene, Raziels two arms cant beat Kains strength hold on his neck...

1. With pushing something, you can put your whole body into it, which makes it much easier. You might be exerting that much total force, but that has no bearing on how much you could lift or exert with your arms alone.

2. Raziel does not "tap." He rears back and kicks the block with his whole body.

3. Raziel, I'm sorry to say, just wasn't trying in that scene. He grabbed Kain's arm and...wiggled.


Yeh, after Kains chest was weakened massively from one of the most powerful weapons in the game slashing it, a massively weakened Kain at that, Ganondorf and the rest of Hyrule do not have such weapons or abilities under their control.

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1. The Reaver and Raziel's claw hit diiferent areas. The Reaver hit around Kain's lower abdomen, while Raziel's claw hit the center of Kain's chest. Further, Raziel had to break ribs to get to that heart and pull it out.

2. Kain was absorbing Raziel's soul (so slow) when it happened, and Raziel was weakened massively, his body body wasn't even all there, yet he still managed to ruin Kain.

3. The Sage's Sword, Master Sword, Fused Shadows and Midna's hair could acheive the same effect, in some cases better. Almost any bladed weapon could peirce Kain. I'm pretty sure Midna alone could beat Kain.