LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

lol, no one in hyrule has physically broken down something as large and thats just the tiny Sarafan stronghold porition of the EG, ignoring the piecies of it around the Stronghold that hes breaking it down with or those in the lake of tears etc, this is the entire EG in this fight, not just a piece although Quanchi should change it to just a piece of the EG because this is already a stomp with Kain, let alone the EG to solo it. He pierced it and toppled it so youve not even watched the vid...Hes not iirc supporting the whole of Nosgoth, he resides beneath it. That does not mean him moving will cause a cave in and if it did, so what? its far better than the fate Hyrule will suffer when their buried by thousands of planet crust breaking tentacles.

1. Gorons break crap like that regularly.
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0:22, Elder God fails to break that rock and only collapses tiny parts.

2. If he resides beneath it, and he's so large, he must be supporting it. If he moves it will collapse on top of him. Can you prove that the Elder God can even use all of his tentacles? He only seems to use a few at a time, and they're quite weak.

Why would Kain use only the dimentional teleport when he has others? Dimentional teleport is not a gameplay combo, furthermore gameplay combos are uncanon for their animation that you try and latch onto to claim inconsistancy.

1. Quite simple: he can't use the dimensional teleport in canon. I already showed that it takes Kain 6 seconds to teleport across a room, and he has to gesture and can't hold the Reaver while doing it.
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8:24, even at the end of the game he still has to put the Reaver away and hold out his hands, though that one seems a little quicker.

2. The combos have quotes from Kain himself describing them, and the dimensional teleport does not, yet the combos aren't canon while the teleport is?

3. The dimensional teleport requires that a gameplay meter be filled, and can only be used in gameplay. You're just being hypocritical now.

Thats because Kains chest was too strong for the sharp edge to cut. And now your really reaching 😆 , Raziel missed now? maybe the pure force of Raziel moving his hands in a punching motion made Kain shake and shudder and fly backwards did it? Bullshit, as ive proven Links sword does nothing but break on Kains body, if it even lands a hit, Kains got a vast number of options to avoid being hit entirely. Far to slow for a green clad little guy to run across a battlefield? chasing Kains extremely quick teleport.....I lold. Links dead remember? assasinated by any one teleporter. Light spirits never done it, Zants "dunking" would be useless, kain can teleport out of water or simply waits for the effect to wear out, afterall he has centuries before water can burn him away, Ganondorfs sword breaks on Kains skin, prob killing dorf, light arrows are featless canonically, their only shown effective against dark creatures.

1. Raziel failed to even cut Kain's cape. I said he basically missed, since the attack was so minor and shallow as to be worthless.

2. You have not proven that the Master Sword can be broken by anything in LoK, let alone that Kain's skin could do something like that. Much more likely he gets cut in half or mists to run away and gets burned by Link's lantern.

3. Kain's teleport has taken 3 seconds at best and 6 seconds at worst, far, far more than any Zelda teleporter. Kain can't even hold his Reaver while he does so, giving Link a further advantage to cut him to pieces.

4. Light Spirits solo every vampire, as evidence has proven.

5. Zant is much faster than Kain and has superior abilities. Zant's creation could take effect before Kain even finished teleporting.

6. Midna would own Kain. His teleport isn't fast enough to get him out of water before he dies, and Midna can just teleport him back under if he does. Her superior TK could crush him, as her could her hair/hand, or she can impale him with it. Throw in the Fused Shadows and she stomps. Hell, Midna can do this:
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9:13, sneak up on Kain and kill him before he realizes it's her.

7. Light Arrows disintegrate Kain like a fledgling.

But now that youve listed a ton of things in a hope to harm Kain, how about Kain just dimentionally teleports, a power too fast and powerful for any in Hyrule to couinter and kills Zelda, Ganondorf, Zant and Link all ine one go? or mind controls any one of them for lulz and makes the kill eachother, or inspires hate, making them mad into killing eachother, Kains options are almost limitless.

1. Kain can't do that, as his teleports are too slow. He'll be killed before he finished one teleport, as he can't defend himself.

2. The only ones Kain even has a chance of controlling is Zelda, but Midna can kill him and release Zelda at the same time with Fused Shadows. Like this:

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7:35.

3. Post feats for any one of those spells, please.

You missed the point again, ofc he could not drown link with an illusion BUT i was supposing if he could create rock, water etc out of thin air he could have swallowed Link in earth, crushing or suffocating him or at least imprisoning him.

1. Stop making missable points. Clarity is your friend.

2. I have repeatedly demonstrated to you that Zant does not use illusions and would rather not go through that ordeal again.

3. Zant either hasn't shown that level of competence or hasn't shown that level of ability. He's an uncreative hack with powerful magic, and isn't particularly bright.

That would be a no limit fallacy on links part. Show me the mind based effects.

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Yes, right because he can just TK hold Kain despite his best holding feat being on a weak imp and a wolf iirc. how about Kain counter TK's and kills Zant by strangling his featless weak body into mulsh?

1. Overpowering Midna's TK > A guy in armor.

2. Zant teleports and kills Kain before he can react.

What? ofc acid dissolves...it dissolves flesh, its just another way of saying it. Your nitpicking and reaching at the same time...your argueing with canon, FMV's and Raziel himself as well as important plot elements acompanying them. If youve played BO2 you know how the "acid" effect works, e.g. if Kain stands in a stream, it only burns his legs, they dont melt away instantly. I am argueing with a turelim simply being burned, which is what is supposed to happen.

1. Acid burns flesh, not dissolves. There's a difference.

2. I'm arguing with canon? But I'm not the one looking at a cutscene showing a vampire dying in water and saying that it's wrong. You're arguing with a cutscene, and a clear one at that.

3. I assume that happens in gameplay? Show me otherwise.

Ironic when youve just claimed a continental giant squid can only break rocks based on just a small portion of him collapsing a temple, or that Kain cant solo despite me proving with other peoples evidence as well as my own that he can hardly even be harmed, let alone defeated.

1. Have we seen the temple collapse? I saw a bunch of relatively small rocks falling on the Elder God. And he failed tp break that ledge, if you remember.

2. What evidence? Can you post it? And I swear if it's that retarded Soul Reaver 2 intro...I'll probably just refute it again.

Yes a very poor feat in comparison to Kain tossing men in armour with ease:

[Oh, my god it's actual fraking evidence]

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Impressive, but still nothing to Midna, whom Zant overpowered in TK.

lol no hes not, not even close. Zants prob just about equel in teleport speed, difference is unlike Kain hes not shown the reaction time so he wont be able to teleport before a sword is in his chest...

1. I was talking about Zant's movement speed, not teleportation.

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3:37, too fast for Kain.

2. Zant's teleport speed is also far faster. Observe:

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1:25 and everything after, up to 2:00.

3. Kain's teleport is slow.

After being slashed by the reaver but your going to keep ignoring that part because admitting Kain is nigh invincible to normal physical powers without being weakened is too hard for you despite evidence. Maybe I should just do what you do from now and simply keep claiming nothings been shown, the dimentional teleport has been shown to death and its times have been recorded by many people as too fast for Zant or Dorf to react to. For someone who can predict "maybe" but Zant cannot as his reaction times are slow.

1. The Reaver didn't hit him in the right place, nor did it cut deep enough for anything.

2. Where has the dimensional teleport been shown in a cutscene?

3. Where does Zant show any slow reactions? Where does Kain show any fast reactions?

The rare triple post.

Thats not durability, that just shows their resistance to heat....all of that is nothing compared to the desity of the worlds mantle that EG resides under and burrows through, and a few explosives does not>tentacles that smash through tonnes of rock. Gorons just get thrown as projectiles for lulz, their weak bodies probably exploding as they hit the ground..thousands of Gorons (if there even were that many) would not bother the EG at all assuming they could even damage it, if they could it would regenerate and mulitply from any wound in seconds before tossing them and burying them under "mountains of rubble". [/B]

1. No. Know what temperature shock is like?
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2. Elder God's tentacles are weak, they can barely break rocks. They won't be hurting the Gorons. Can you prove he has thousands, or that they regenerate?

3. Gorons will kill the Elder God based on feats.

WALL OVER

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice

With a fairly small entrance and exist imo, I dont think many Gorons can get in and out at once. I would not assume more than one Goron walks across gently at once until its proven.

Not funny? ofc it is, a tiny little guy who looks like Santas just layed him off lifting something 6 ft taller than he is only for it to bounce along the lava has to be funny...just as funny as a cartoon getting crushed by an anvil or somehow flying into the air after landing on a burning surface and blowing their feet to cool them....and youve attempted that before and failed, toonforce is simply what I use for when a character does something a toon would do, funny is a perspective. I dont find many if any toons funny.

You didnt even argue the point, you just restated....boring..Dangoro cannot be 200 tons otherwise his moving force would have knocked over Link whos added weight from the boots that allow him to beat Dangoro's weight is around 600+ pounds max.

Faulty logic. Zants got not a power in his arsenal that can harm Kain, let alone kill him and furthermore his reaction time is slower than Kains extremely quick cast time. Its not really a cast. You want Zant to swing swords at Kain? 😆 Zant breaks his swords and his arms, if not his whole body.

"I dont have to prove anything!", you wish lol....but this is the story of your life on KMC by the looks of it, you need to chance your attitude before you enter a debate chum 😉 and Ganons magic has never done the things Kains effects can, hes a paltry damage dealing sorceror whos powers half the time have little effect anyway.

There is no higher level abilities, let alone of the same effect. Looking at a lot of these videos Hyrulians are poor sorcerors.

EG has never struggled lol...Link? a couple of dozen Sarafan archers, maybe a few swordsman. The vamps and higher tier LoK would not bother with the kid.

[i]Originally posted by The Scenario [/B]

Thats most unwise because Nemebro is an extremely lazy poster who goes from trying to act smart to getting angry and ranting.

1. Thats not burdon of proof, my claim is that light, of magical or pure nature has shown to be from the light spirits effective, therefore LoK's light by nature is just as effective.

2. Explain please

1. Theres no way both planets could be slotted together for the purpose, I assumed they were one one huge battlefield, not both landmasses of hyrule and Nosgoth stuck together. Hm...

2. Did Midna ever have a weakness to sunlight in the first place? its important because Vampires when young do, they die from it and have evolved past that now....lights not going to do anything to them. And wht do you expect? midna is a twilight being is she not? if their power is to push back twilight, especially passively then shes going to be weak, Vamps are not twilight.

3. Yeh and as I said, this does not discount the fact normal soldiers have resisted it completly or are immune to it, as I said its obvious people who are not privy of twilight attacking them seem more powerful against it. Its only ever affected those who do not know its coming.

4. I can see this:

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For Zant to call down twilight, it takes (after he beats lightspirits, lots of them all active at once in this battle) from 3:51-3:56 (6 seconds) heavens knows how long it takes him to cast it. Once again we never see him do it but what we know is a lot of time passed so I am assuming after beating Zelda around 3:40, so it could have taken him around 16 seconds, 10 seconds to cast it and 4 for it to actually work lol.

Yeh thats cute, using a point where twilight has already been called down. Thats what happens when a lightspirit is in the area, considering Zant in this fight has all of them to contend with before he can even cast the thing, twilights completly useless in this fight. Furthermore, whats stopping the light from the light spirits which seems passive from obliterating all of the twilight forces?

1. Those you listed are indeed super in some way or form but in Blood omen 2, we see the typical vampires like Faustus can leap great distances and Umah confirms all vampire are stronger and faster than humans. Considering the bulk of Hyrules forces are likely human (not sure theres any other "army sized" group in Hyrule) then their at a disadvantage.

2. New period of time, Raziel as a vampire was a modern Elder, when he became the Soul reaver he was even more powerful.

3. Stated above, leaping great distances, Marcus although slightly more mentlally powerful in Bo2 is still quite ordinairy in comaprison to current Kain and Raziel and its similiar with Sabastian who has super speed. Their named sure but their still on and around the level of typical vampire, their not ancient or evolved.

1. Youve yet to prove it has the same effects as sunlight to vampires who btw are immune.

2. The vast resistance against the reaver, against the circle when he walked within the combined power of 3 of their number performing a reality warping feat that would eventually cover Nosgoth (more powerful magic than anything ive seen from Hyrule). Kains faced magic in almost all his fights as he killed most of the circle by himself. Oh and the repel shield reflects magic effects thus effectively making Kain immune anyway. Thats those off the top of my head.

1. Your looking at the wrong vid, prob on purpose since maybe youve attempted to be sly and show evidence thats not chronological. E.g. your ignoring the fact Zant had already cast twilight and its simply returning in that video.

2. If it takes a long time to just burn Kains legs then immersion will take a long time to burn his entire body. Just like Raziel has shown and displayed and how the canon describes it as nothing more than dangerous acid to a vampire, an extremely fast regenerating vampire with more durable flesh than humans. Regionwide is impossible because it takes more than 10+ seconds to cast and take effect and thats not whats shown. Whats shown is that those who can see and know its there seem to be immune, because only non privy peasents and soldiers have been transformed but soldiers who see it run through it.

3. Thats part of the prophecy, that could allow me to argue that Link is weaker than a soldier. This sort of backs up my point on "knowledge" or "training" where I claim that the Soldier who perhaps more disipline can fight the effects of twilight. Also the only time ive seen link transform is when he was out on the floor after Zant beat him.

2. Adapation may take a long time (it does not really say that it takes "long" does it?) for their predatory natures, but considering they would have been transformed I would assume they would be pretty angry and predatory as soon as they are transformed.

1. You know what I mean, thats not a shard that Ganons holding, and its the shards that corrupted creatures. Considering Ganon is already evil it makes sense hes not corrupted....

2. He didnt resist anything, the shadows were simply an inanimate helmet that did not show any power once combined and off the head of a controller.

1. You saying its not putting up much of a resistance does not discount the fact Raziel does indeed trying and free himself, I would like to see a human stop something with tonnes of strength wriggling free from a one arm/hand hold 🙄

2. Raziels not got a choice at that moment whether or not to use his claws, if you even watched the video and paused it at about 2:07 you can see no balled fist, only the tips of his claws slashing Kain.

3. Wrong, where are getting this "hovered" rubbish from. Raziels arm is against Kains chest in an attempt to stop him moving. Sure Raziel does not stop Kain grabbing it but that does not discredit the feat of breaking the hold so easily. Raziel sure put a lot more effort into that what with his enraged state than timidly pushing 50-100 tonnes around.

Pathetic? took prob about a second to cast and after that its irrelevent. This is his non combat teleport that he uses outside of fights, he does a similiar one (strangely I think its quicker the second time around) when he teleports from the EG's chamber. He has another quicker one when he does not even use hands or gestures in Soul reaver 1.

2. I couldnt find it, I was refering to a scene other than the Kain vs Raz fight, it may not have been in Defiance but in SR or SR 2, ill have a look. In the mean time though, Kain did stop Raziel pushing against him, albiet a weakened one but still tonnes of strength using far more effort than when slapping a large piece of concrete meters along.

1. hm your right. Which is strange, you see I simply assumed it was on top of something other than lava because I thought it was heavy and irl, rocks dont really float on lava, certainly not anything heavy. Therefore, based on this evidence, that platform is nowhere near as heavy as has been claimed in the past.

1. Its exactly the same with lifting, if your lifting something up your still using your entire body. Your back, body, leg muscles etc all go into the object your holding up....

2. Nah, watch:

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At 2:57 he goes to dig into it but changes his mind and pushes. A light push thats similiar to if I was trying to push away a human without effort sends 50 tons sliding along the other block and to the ground.

3. lol, your trying to denounce something by saying that now Raziel was not trying to get free? despite trying to break loose. Thats what happens when you cant break free from a vice, you can only wiggle because he cant break Kains grip as you see he puts his hands on Kains and tries to break loose. It would be the same with you, try as you might....you would not break Kains claw grip...

1. Irrelevant unless your trying to claim that Kains chest is vastly more durable than an area a few inches down? you would not be able to anyway unless as I said, the reaver slashed Kains chest in the previous scene, it didnt.

2. Kain was in worse off as he had just been slashed across the chest after being weakened so Kains damaged and crippled vs Raziel who is not nearly as damaged, only exausted , and your misinterpreting. Kain wasnt doing anything and the reaver was not even the soul reaver. The Blood reaver was trying to fullfill its destiny by absorbing Raziel which is completly different to the soul reavers purpose.

3. 😆 Mida is too slow and weak. Ime sure Raziel or Janos could beat MIdna but thats irrelevant, what is, is that the feats behind the power of the weapons you mentioned are trival compared to what Kain has survived without a scratch and furthermore what Kain has "phased" through. Theres no PIS in this fight afaik so Kain wont even take hits he does not have to, hes going to be phasing through every blade or attack and misting through others.

Originally posted by The Scenario

1. Show me "regularly" e.g., more than just a couple of vids of specific Gorons (Dangoro/Patriarch) breaking some rocks plz.

He does not fail, you would see this if you watched for a few more seconds at 0:26 he not only breaks that rock but tonnes more rock around it, some even bigger than the initial slab.

2. Not if hes deep, your forgetting that the EG resides in the deep places of the world not just Nosgoth, therefore hes deeper than a few meters in, hes not going to collapse Nosgoth if he moves slowly enough and does not disturb over rock but this is pointless conversation. 😆 your claim now is that EG can only use a few tentacles at a time because he only does so? poor claim is poor, bilogically he can and biologically he has used the tentacles he requires in each initial.

1. 1 second to cast, and thats one teleport, unique to others.

Why do you keep saying he "has to"? just because he does?

2. The combos animation of throwing a soldier into the air without cutting him is non canon. Thats what you were picking at when bringing up combos to claim its not consistent 😬

3. That does not make the move non canon, only that the only use of it is in gameplay. Thats the same with a lot of powers, almost of Kratos from God of Wars other powers other than pure strength are never seen in cutscenes, especially in earlier games. (GoW 3 is a bit better). Their still all canon....

1. Not sure it hit the cape, Kains chest still was not cut.

2. I dont have to prove the MS can be broken when its not got any durability feats...even the reaver has sliced with ease through solid rock without a scratch and has survived for eons in the hands of Kain who gets stuck into battles so its no normal sword when durability is concerned. Even raziel and the vampires fear it and consider it "invincible" hence why Raziel claims how incredible it was for the time paradox to break it. Whats the MS done to compare?

3. Poor claim, your counting from the point its cast to the point it appears? first the dimentional teleport is faster and will end Link and second, its still too fast for Link to react who took a second or so to react to noise.

4. Sorry, evidence has shown light spirits can beat twilight creatures lol...

5. Wrong again lol, I recall Zants illusion taking a good few seconds, its predictable as well as a dark circle appears in front of him as he charges it. Its range is also small.

6. Dimentional and even moral teleports are damn quick, a second, maybe just over is all Kain needs. He could behind Midna then and get the drop on her, killing her before her featless reaction times come into effect. Or just pummel her to death with his own TK.

7. Yeh right, and a normal arrow from a couple of Sarafan soldiers kill Ganon....see how daft that sounds? whats funny is that when concerning Midna or Zant its likely the truth, human arrows from a few archers kill those two...

1. Nah, your like a clam latching to anything you can hold onto...

2. Any of them are fair game, their featless resistancewise. 😆 Midna? you didnt watch the vid otherwise you would realise it takes ages for her to even get into her larger form using the shadows.

3. I have done so before now, their all here:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

OR, mind control non magic version:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo2/darkgifts.php

most of those powers end most of Hyrule or control them. Infact, Kain has an Inspire hate on the reaver in Defiance. Therefore, he inspires most of hyrule to kill itself, all he needs to do is be within a few meters and be given a second or so (easy, slow Hyrule RT ftw) and he can turn Ganon, Link and more into lunatics killing eachother. Should be easy considerng outside of the thread, their personalities lead them to hate eachother anyway.

2. No youve not, your simply keep repeating your opinion and how "sure" you are that Zant is physically creating these environments because he can according to you effectively create his own verse/continents or areas out of thin air....despite evidence such as the area harming him, the areas often being nigh mimics to what Zant or Link have already seen etc.

3 And heres your combat agaisnt illusions? that apprently Zant simply copies things from Link or his own mind is not an illusion, but creation without creativity? lol...reaccccchhh.. Edna must have made you your new suit Elastigirl because now you can reach further without ruining your clothing! 😛

1. Ok, he does not touch the fragment of the fused shadows, also your the one claiming what its doing to these creatures. Bloodrain mentioned something about how it may just be corrupting these hyrule creatures through its twilight origin, ive accepted that Link may have resistance to twilight......

2. I cant even see the reflection in that shard of mirror, this makes me wonder if the mirror can only reflect or corrupt things when its complete OR some corruption work is relevent again.

1. Its not if all shes doing with her TK is lifting her weight which is tiny, and I lol again, you dont have to overpower TK to overpower weight even if shes using her TK to levitate her weight.

2. Thats ridiculous and impossible because Zants own reaction times are zero, his teleport is not that quick and Kains reaction times are leaps and bounces beyond Zants....oh, and Zants not got a weapon in his arsenal to harm Kain ofc...

1. Not really, just language used, for example acid does not create heat, dissolves is perhaps a better word to use rather than "burn".

2. Ime looking at a vampire burning in water, and your argueing with FMV's, Raziel, and solid canon behind how water affects vamps..

3. Yes, but its static.

1. Just showed you he broke that ledge and more, and the temple was collapsing, whether the EG finished it off despite Kain escaping we dont know...

2. Soul reaver 2 intro proves Kain being hit by Raziels strength and PSI claws, other peoples evidence is Bloodrains, my own and others measurements and math on Raziels strength.

Its far beyond midnas weight, a soldier in armour is heavy, Kain tk them around with ease and the force of said TK crushig on Zant or Midna would undoutably kill their durability featless bodies. So Kain kills either with a gesture, not even wasting a fraction of a second teleporting (unless he uses dimentional, which allows him to attack many in fractions of seconds ofc).

"sigh" thats not even that quick, a human could give a reaction to that. Thats ignoring the dimentional teleport that proves Kain can react, move and attack in less than 0.2 seconds of time. Extremely quickly.....

That teleport of Zants took "almost" a second taking it frame by frame. Quick but youve not shown the iniital, thats him coming it, not much quicker than Kain tbh, add Zants featless reaction time (so defaulted at nigh a second) and he will be slower than Kain to get a teleport off. Ofc its useless because Zants attacks and powers are slow, unlike Kain, and Kains got incredible durability, Zants got none. Therefore Zants attack is zero, his defence is zero, hencei t would be like a soldier getting the jump on a tank and slashing it with his bayonet...only to get mowed down by machineguns 😉

1. Ofc it didnt cut deep enough lol, its Kain were talking about, you know the guy who most of Hyrule are going to lose most of their weapons to by breaking them against him?

2. Its not and it does not have to be, weve been through this. Just like half of Kratos' powers, most of Dantes and probably if I had a look, a lot of Link and Ganondorfs....their still canon if their in the game.

3. Zants shown no good reactions, therefore hes featless. Kain has shown speed against Moebius rising, Raziel jumping at him (Raziels no slouch and Kain snatches him from the air in SR 2 or tosses him aside and dodges reaver attacks in Defiance) and his best reaction feats are probably from the dimention port.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The rare triple post.

1. No. Know what temperature shock is like?
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2. Elder God's tentacles are weak, they can barely break rocks. They won't be hurting the Gorons. Can you prove he has thousands, or that they regenerate?

3. Gorons will kill the Elder God based on feats.

[B]WALL OVER [/B]

So all those videos are supposed to show me impressive Gorons? lol, it shows me a Goron protected inside an admittadly hot rock helpless and unable to free itself until link breaks/weakens it. Hardly impressive apart from sitting inside heated rock for so long.

2. Nah, ive shown you they shatter rocks, prob far more than Gorons and what I cant show you is the established canon that the EG resides within the "deep places of the world" and therefore he by default burrows through some of the densist rock on a planet, the inner planetary crust. Furthermore, whats obvious is that he burrows through tonnes of rock anyway which is more than Gorons who weigh at most 600 pounds. Ok:

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no specific time really, only 2 minutes and it gives you the whole fight. At vaying times the EG makes forcefields that Kain whos vastly stronger, more powerful, more magical than Gorons (and most of hyrule for that matter) cannot get through and you see Kain slicing away tentacles only for the EG to reform them and multiply.

3. lol, theres no feats that point to that. Based on feats their too small and weak therefore they wont hurt him, if they do their attacks will be like ant bites, and if they cut him he regenerates....or shields any areas he does not wnat them hitting before he tosses them or buries them. Goes for the whole of Hyrule when hes soloing it.

4 walls, my defence is stronger! 😛

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Or is that 3 and a half of a wall? lol

More like two and half walls, considering one post is directed at someone else, and another post is artificially lengthened by a large quote box.

Going by that, Scenario prob has about one wall because its been lengthened by quoting and vids. Almost all his claims and arguments follow a quote of mine afterall. I cant have any of his quotes in my boxes because my walls are too vast and the limit of these boxes prevents me 🙁

So I probably have about 7/8 walls by your logic. Or scenarios 3 palisades of wood vs my 3/4 fortified tower covered bastions.

Edit: and one being directed at another does not denounce the wall, the Great wall of China did not disapear when the stepland raiders attacked just because its built to keep the huns out!

Originally posted by Burning thought
Going by that, Scenario prob has about one wall because its been lengthened by quoting and vids. Almost all his claims and arguments follow a quote of mine afterall. I cant have any of his quotes in my boxes because my walls are too vast and the limit of these boxes prevents me 🙁

So I probably have about 7/8 walls by your logic. Or scenarios 3 palisades of wood vs my 3/4 fortified tower covered bastions.

Edit: and one being directed at another does not denounce the wall, the Great wall of China did not disapear when the stepland raiders attacked just because its built to keep the huns out!

What? 😬 Even if Scenario had deleted your quotes, he'd still have a solid amount of text for you to read, along with videos to back up his claims. If the videos had nothing to do with the argument I'd say it was artificial lengthening as well.

You, on the other hand, simply quoted his wall, complete with videos, and responded in, frankly, a rather jumbled mess.

Bringing literal physical walls that are the pinnacle of human achievement into the conversation doesn't help your argument, either. It just takes you off topic.

He would have text to read, just nowhere near as anything as mine, it beefs up his post into what looks like more of a wall, without the quotes it would be so much smaller. For example if they were just walls of text, ignoring other peoples quotations and if we took out our videos, it would come to according to our biggest posts:

Scenario 755 words

Burning Thought 1619

I responded in the same way, just without quotes because I cant have his quotes. Otherwise as I said, I would have about 8/9 walls myself, which is ridiculous and unnecessery. My words and videos of evidence are all fairly clear enough otherwise he would not have been able to reply at all thus far.

Your whole complaint or quib at trying to argue about "walls" of text is off-topic itself. The only reason I answered is because ime bored but if you want to bring up whats off-topic, you are. I dont know what kind of point you tried to make tbh unless your trying to denounce me because you want to be a cheerleader for the other side, most childish if that was the case...

Originally posted by Burning thought
With a fairly small entrance and exist imo, I dont think many Gorons can get in and out at once. I would not assume more than one Goron walks across gently at once until its proven.

Why not? You'd make a similar assumption in a heart beat if it worked positively for LoK.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Not funny? ofc it is, a tiny little guy who looks like Santas just layed him off lifting something 6 ft taller than he is only for it to bounce along the lava has to be funny...just as funny as a cartoon getting crushed by an anvil or somehow flying into the air after landing on a burning surface and blowing their feet to cool them....and youve attempted that before and failed, toonforce is simply what I use for when a character does something a toon would do, funny is a perspective. I dont find many if any toons funny.

Observe, you have to add things and make extra comments in order to attempt to make it funny. And even then it isn't funny at all.

Dangoro bouncing off the lava with his ass on fire, that is amusing. Link tossing Dangoro is a feat of strength. And a better one that Kain has in the whole of the LoK series.

And something a toon would do applies to anything any video game character has ever done. Kain lifts a big stone block? Toons do it. Kain stands in midair? Toons do that too.

Toonforce is nothing more than something you'll throw at the thread until you're blue in the face when you have nothing else you can say. Otherwise known as a cop out argument.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You didnt even argue the point, you just restated....boring..Dangoro cannot be 200 tons otherwise his moving force would have knocked over Link whos added weight from the boots that allow him to beat Dangoro's weight is around 600+ pounds max.

Incorrect. Lol. Link's boots are magnetized to the floor, adding extra weight to the already 70+ ton boots. And this magnetism is strong enough to keep the boots and Link suspended upside down.

Now then, since Link isn't going anywhere, his strength allows him to stop and toss Dangoro.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Faulty logic. Zants got not a power in his arsenal that can harm Kain, let alone kill him and furthermore his reaction time is slower than Kains extremely quick cast time. Its not really a cast. You want Zant to swing swords at Kain? 😆 Zant breaks his swords and his arms, if not his whole body.

Don't even try to tell me I have faulty logic. You attempted to argue Ganon gave Zant powers he cannot replicate. You can try to reword that, but the end result is the same. Ganon's powers are in Zant, and you think Zant can do shit Ganon cannot.

Zant warps reality around Kain and sticks him in water, uses Twilight magic, or just cuts his body into pieces.

Extremely quick cast time, lol. Kain takes a second to cast his faster teleport, Zant does his best with a thought and reappears mid attack, cutting Kain's head off before he finishes his spell.

And yeah, those swords wouldn't do shit right? Kain's got all those crazy good durability feats. 😆

The only one he could theoretically have is 50 tons of pressure due to that being his level of strength. But to accept that you'd have to accept the same argument for Link's durability. Well dammit, you're just boned, aren't you?

Originally posted by Burning thought
"I dont have to prove anything!", you wish lol....but this is the story of your life on KMC by the looks of it, you need to chance your attitude before you enter a debate chum 😉 and Ganons magic has never done the things Kains effects can, hes a paltry damage dealing sorceror whos powers half the time have little effect anyway.

Technically I don't. You still have yet to disprove anything that's ever been thrown at you. Ganon's magic is so far above Kain's it isn't funny. Would you like to know why? Ganon has feats. This is just tedious now. It has been for a long time.

Originally posted by Burning thought
There is no higher level abilities, let alone of the same effect. Looking at a lot of these videos Hyrulians are poor sorcerors.

No higher level abilities at all huh? Yeah...that's wrong. Kain has that one fire spell right? Zelda's fire arrows are better than that.

You failed to answer my question. Since the function is the feat, can Ganon's armor stop any attack it comes against due to it's function being that?

Originally posted by Burning thought
EG has never struggled lol...Link? a couple of dozen Sarafan archers, maybe a few swordsman. The vamps and higher tier LoK would not bother with the kid.

For some reason I find it easier to trust a forum poster I've never seen post recently over you...

Link solos Nosgoth via better feats.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Why not? You'd make a similar assumption in a heart beat if it worked positively for LoK.

Observe, you have to add things and make extra comments in order to attempt to make it funny. And even then it isn't funny at all.

Dangoro bouncing off the lava with his ass on fire, that is amusing. Link tossing Dangoro is a feat of strength. And a better one that Kain has in the whole of the LoK series.

And something a toon would do applies to anything any video game character has ever done. Kain lifts a big stone block? Toons do it. Kain stands in midair? Toons do that too.

Toonforce is nothing more than something you'll throw at the thread until you're blue in the face when you have nothing else you can say. Otherwise known as a cop out argument.

Incorrect. Lol. Link's boots are magnetized to the floor, adding extra weight to the already 70+ ton boots. And this magnetism is strong enough to keep the boots and Link suspended upside down.

Now then, since Link isn't going anywhere, his strength allows him to stop and toss Dangoro.

Don't even try to tell me I have faulty logic. You attempted to argue Ganon gave Zant powers he cannot replicate. You can try to reword that, but the end result is the same. Ganon's powers are in Zant, and you think Zant can do shit Ganon cannot.

Zant warps reality around Kain and sticks him in water, uses Twilight magic, or just cuts his body into pieces.

Extremely quick cast time, lol. Kain takes a second to cast his faster teleport, Zant does his best with a thought and reappears mid attack, cutting Kain's head off before he finishes his spell.

And yeah, those swords wouldn't do shit right? Kain's got all those crazy good durability feats. 😆

The only one he could theoretically have is 50 tons of pressure due to that being his level of strength. But to accept that you'd have to accept the same argument for Link's durability. Well dammit, you're just boned, aren't you?

Technically I don't. You still have yet to disprove anything that's ever been thrown at you. Ganon's magic is so far above Kain's it isn't funny. Would you like to know why? Ganon has feats. This is just tedious now. It has been for a long time.

No higher level abilities at all huh? Yeah...that's wrong. Kain has that one fire spell right? Zelda's fire arrows are better than that.

You failed to answer my question. Since the function is the feat, can Ganon's armor stop any attack it comes against due to it's function being that?

For some reason I find it easier to trust a forum poster I've never seen post recently over you...

Link solos Nosgoth via better feats.

I dont make many assumptions about LoK, certainly not when I am trying to get a specific weight/strength ratio for a character. The most I have assumed is perhaps some materials, which most people assume.

Then your humourless because I am hilarious 😉 , seriously though I was making fun of your daft idea that something "has" to be funny ot be toonforce, where funny is dependant on opinion and tastes anyway. I think your just overhyping, tossing something that weighs at most 600 pounds if that is not impressive at all.

No, toonforce is when something unexplained, without reason and ridiculous like a tiny guy lifting something huge up without anything aiding him like say Golden gauntlets to do so. Even lifting up 600 pounds is fairly far fetched and toonforce and inconsistency pours from the event especially when the next event shows us the Goron bouncing along lava, you can either bring up toonforce like you did for one event and take it for both or ignore toonforce entirely therefore taking the events as credible, in which case Gorons are light, otherwise they sink in lava.

Magnetism does not really add weight.....it would just make him harder to move, you would first have to prove it apprently makes up for about 69 tonnes worth of weight. You never will because you cant.

Thats not faulty, many people even Demonic phoenix who seems to want a piece of me as well brought up reasons for why Zant could use powers Ganon cant , so dont try and whine about something else thats not really relevent here and wrong at the same time.

Zant cant do those things, especially not cutting Kain, hes got no strength feats, certainly not those needed to harm Kain.

Yeh, hes got an incredible durability feat, thats all he needs.

50 tons of pressure? impossible, even if Raziel was a 50 tonner which hes not, scream uses math for one block, Raziel bests two. And two, Raziel uses claw edge which multiplies the force of pressure to the thousands of tonnes using the number Screampaste uses to divide sword pressure (although I dont know why I would use a figuire from Screampaste although I remember Bloodrain coming up with something similiar and was not far from the initial number so w/e). Links never had a blade edge or something powerful slash him without damaging him, neither has Ganon, hes been cut like butter by the MS and the Sages and thats the ones I remember/know.

Baseless claim again...Ganons got feats for damaging objects, usually poor feats for powers that are often slow. Kains got functions AND technically feats when concerning powers/spells other characters have used that are the same, e.g. Motanius uses spirit death, Marcus uses mind powers that Kain stole, Magnus uses immolate etc.

Ganons armours function is to protect, therefore you have to gauge its durability to determine how much it can protect against. If a fireballs function is to burn, then the opposition would need to show how powerful it is, and how its opponent can defend. In this case, mind control/possession/soul rips function is to mind possess/MC etc, then its function if its got no feats become the feat, hence anyone with the sligest bit of protection may be able to beat it. Thats how it works.

Thats because ive beaten you and your buddies to death with your own fanon, its understandable to be upset over it and prefer someones claim that aids you. I would do similiar, I would sooner agree with Fascistcrusaders, sins or Bloodrains claims about LoZ than yours or screams but if they dont provide the evidence its still not my case.

😆 yeh right, Links got no better feats, as I said soldiers beat him, none of the higher tiers are required or hes used via mind control/inspire hate.

BT just claimed to be a better wall builder than Scenario.

NOW HIS FANBOYISM, AND DELUSIONS HAVE SPREAD TO REAL LIFE. ABANDON SHIP.

lol, the Wall of text is far better on my side of the court. Because by virtue a wall of text is larger if it has more words, I think the entirety of my posts vs Scenarios concerning only the last replies and arguments amount to mine being almost twice Scenarios.

Ofc my quality being higher is irrelevent when considering a wall of text. That just upgrades the walls defence with towers and boiling oil 🙂

And I lold at another daft baiting attempt, you would have made a better attempt without saying "fanboyism" has spread to real life as the irony is its only you who has a Linkalike green hat and merchandise of LoZ 😉

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol, the Wall of text is far better on my side of the court. Because by virtue a wall of text is larger if it has more words, I think the entirety of my posts vs Scenarios concerning only the last replies and arguments amount to mine being almost twice Scenarios.

Ofc my quality being higher is irrelevent when considering a wall of text. That just upgrades the walls defence with towers and boiling oil 🙂

And I lold at another daft baiting attempt, you would have made a better attempt without saying "fanboyism" has spread to real life as the irony is its only you who has a Linkalike green hat and merchandise of LoZ 😉

Your quality being higher? DELUSIONS. 😐 Scenario has CONSISTENTLY provided proof and evidence and context for those things and crushed your arguments. 😐 There's a reason everyone's amazed he still bothers with you. You never learn. Also, I don't own a Link hat, though I do admit I wish I did. I would wear it. 🙂

Yes right, kinda like your whining and back rubbling of the one person who can argue your side of the argument holds no weight apart that which sinks you into the ditch you spend your time digging.

As have I, hes not crushed anything. Hes provided evidence that more often than not helps me. "everyone", e.g. the people who have been throttled by me and have their fanbases abused in the past. Ive not had any negative comments from people I have not beaten into the mud...funny coinsidence? I think not.

Yes you have, even if its not an actual Link had its green and looks alike enough.

Originally posted by Burning thought
He would have text to read, just nowhere near as anything as mine, it beefs up his post into what looks like more of a wall, without the quotes it would be so much smaller. For example if they were just walls of text, ignoring other peoples quotations and if we took out our videos, it would come to according to our biggest posts:

Scenario 755 words

Burning Thought 1619

I responded in the same way, just without quotes because I cant have his quotes. Otherwise as I said, I would have about 8/9 walls myself, which is ridiculous and unnecessery. My words and videos of evidence are all fairly clear enough otherwise he would not have been able to reply at all thus far.

Your whole complaint or quib at trying to argue about "walls" of text is off-topic itself. The only reason I answered is because ime bored but if you want to bring up whats off-topic, you are. I dont know what kind of point you tried to make tbh unless your trying to denounce me because you want to be a cheerleader for the other side, most childish if that was the case...

Uhh, you do realize that quantity generally does not equal quality, yes? If Scenario was able to get his point across in half as many words than you, it means less time reading and more time weighing the options.

I was bored, too. Pretty much the only reason I said anything, and it was just a personal observation. If I wanted to be a "cheerleader" for Scenario, I really could have used much simpler means, do you not agree?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes right, kinda like your whining and back rubbling of the one person who can argue your side of the argument holds no weight apart that which sinks you into the ditch you spend your time digging.

As have I, hes not crushed anything. Hes provided evidence that more often than not helps me. "everyone", e.g. the people who have been throttled by me and have their fanbases abused in the past. Ive not had any negative comments from people I have not beaten into the mud...funny coinsidence? I think not.

Yes you have, even if its not an actual Link had its green and looks alike enough.

1. Claim things that are not true
2. Ignore evidence
3. Take things as far out of context and make huge leaps of logic, as possible to suit your own preconceived notions.

Backrubbing Scenario? K, lawl. More like watching him bash his head against a wall for hours on end and being legitimately impressed with the durability of his skull.

You will never concede, and even you are aware you're in the wrong. No one who beleives they are right goes to such length to try and twist things.

Edit: You mean this green and RED hat, with BELLS?

Could not find better picture of red side, usually face camera with other side of my face for some reason.

Thats what I covered in my last post but were talking about text walls are we not? quality is not something gaugable on KMC, nobody is unbias.

Perhaps, just curious why you would comment on something in a thread that was hardly integral. But w/e

LOOK OUT. METALLICA FANBOY ON TEH LOOSE!

OH SHIT. He's got a MARIO HAT. Shit just GOT REAL!

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