Originally posted by Burning thoughtNo. Denying something without ever actually providing any evidence against it is not a refute, otherwise I could "refute" gravity and claim the earth is flat, just be being in denial, like you're essentially doing.
Its been refuted, you whining and proving your childlike mind by bringing up the "lightning swat" fanon thats been refuted like all your daft claims by everyone including me.
Refute, or gtfo with your whining. Ganon and Link swat lightning back and forth almost as a male bonding ritual. haermm You cannot and have not refuted this.
Eitherway, Ganondorf calls down Twilight, rapes everything, and makes the EG his love slave just because he can.
Because it's been proven LoK has no defense against this, and the EG has no feats to combat Ganondorf, and is still far better than Kain.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No. Denying something without ever actually providing any evidence against it is not a refute, otherwise I could "refute" gravity and claim the earth is flat, just be being in denial, like you're essentially doing.Refute, or gtfo with your whining. Ganon and Link swat lightning back and forth almost as a male bonding ritual. haermm You cannot and have not refuted this.
Eitherway, Ganondorf calls down Twilight, rapes everything, and makes the EG his love slave just because he can.
Because it's been proven LoK has no defense against this, and the EG has no feats to combat Ganondorf, and is still far better than Kain.
You just repeated what I kinda said to you. I am surprised youve not done that yet what with all the other hilarious claims youve made...
You mean he attempts to call it down but the ages it takes for him to do it gets him killed by any of the LoK teleporters...thought so...
Kain and EG solo this quite easily, Raziel probably could do it if he took his time, the circle of nine together would do it. Ganondorf is the only entity worth mentioning here, and thats only because he can survive against something other than basic LoK fodder.
I had lulz. Can you prove anything in LoK is even capable of hurting something as durable as a Goron? Link would probably solo this thread if I cared enough to humiliate you by using a less powerful character than I have available.
Facts:
Ganondorf is faster by feats than anything in LoK, with larger scale power, by feats, ahigher durablity, by feats.
He's deflected lightning, survived castle bustings, ect. He soloes, simply.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtCare to actually refute it, rather than just conceding by default do to lack of evidence or argument, ad hominem fallacy, and looking whiny while you're at it?
Yeh right, another tired fanboys complaint.You mentioned the two funny little jokes you like to come up with regardless of how many times, or how many people refute it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I debate with debators, so I will wait for them to return. I thought I would humour you for a while but youve become boring again.
Quan, GTFO. Claiming superiority does not actually grant superiority.
Actually, I'll allow you one more opportunity. Finish these sentences and fill in the parenthesis with the appropriate video links.
Kain is stronger than Ganondorf because...
Kain is faster than Ganondorf because...
Twilight fields do not help because...
The proof of all the above claims can be found in these videos.
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Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont have to be so specific, so far all thats required or mentioned to beat back twilight is "light", the "sols" beat back twilight as well once in the mastersword or so you said something to that effect. Therefore twilight is affected by light as the name twilight implies anyway. LoK have many artifical or pure light powers. Your talking about continents, you dont know anything of the like nor do we know if this is the LoK continent/planet and Hyrule slotted together for the battlefield, we only know that the light spirits can at least protect the area their power influences, which is at least continental in size, its safe to say that as long as the loK team is in the area of effect, the weak and slow twilight power is not even going to be effective because of the light spirits let alone LoK powers and resistances.
No. Just, quite simply, no. The only thing shown to get rid of twilight is the Light Spirits light (life force of the gods) and the Sols light (also power of gods) and neither sunlight nor artificial light (like the lantern) works against it. What you have to do is prove that LoKs light has the ability to get rid of some form of magical darkness. Otherwise, that light won't cut it.
You're making assumptions? Nosgoth can't be protected so you're just going to declare that the battlefield combines them? Despite the fact that you're still claiming that the Elder God can crush the land of Hyrule alone (despite the lack of feats)? Regardless, the Light Spirit's light would be deadly to vampires, and they cover continents. Oh, if you remember, Midna could resist normal sunlight, but not the Light Spirit's light. Any vampire that enters that range will die. Hah, Hyrule can switch between deadly light and twilight on a whim. LoK is screwed.
Yes and twilight clouds are predictable and short range, at best effective against a few vampires assuming the pair are allowed to get that close before being killed. LoK have far more variable powers.
LoK vampires have no feats; they'll be easy prey if the Light Spirits haven't already annihilated them.
Whats this supposed to prove exactly? ive seen twilight creatures being repelled and I know the source of the light arrows is the light spirits, how is this helping anyone?
Vampires are no longer vulnerable to natural sunlight because of training, but the Light Spirit's light has the power of the Light Arrows behind it. Any vampire, including Kain, will die instantly when hit by it.
Its common for you to post useless evidence or to ignore previous statements. So far theres two vids in your post that do not help your case and previous vids have simply aided me, especially the one concenring Zant attacking Zelda and her forces.
You're not making anu sense here. All the evidence I post is both relevant and proves my points. You just latch on to the most ridiculous things and claim victory.
I dont have to prove that, its only stated that vampire spirits are powerful. Your the one making the implication that they have to be in the spectoral realm to be powerful....I must have forgotten where it says it in LoK that they are only strong in the spectoral realm. Yes we can see the bodies fade away, hence transformation, the soul is not being removed the body is simply being formed into its spiritual form. Otherwise if the soul was simply being removed it would leave the body behind.
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/az/vampirewraiths.php
Nah, Vampire wraiths are just vampires who spent too long in the spectral realm and adapted to it. And if I recall correctly, vampire evolution like that usually takes a hundred years or so. They can't do it quickly, and I doubt they'll adapt to twilight. Oh, yeah, and they're only strong in the spectral realm, unless they can return to their body.
Why dont these soldiers look like the guard in Zeldas cutscene? when Zant attacks?
They don't. Other than being in twilight, there is no difference between them. They just aren't carrying shields.
At 4:50 you can see that at least some of the soldiers were carrying spears when Zant attacked, mostly the ones in the middle of the room. They're the same type of soldier.
So touching a fragement of the fused shadows is proven to transform Darbus, when did Ganon touch it? can you prove he resisted its power or perhaps, he nullified its power with his own control? its important to gauge Ganons resistance by how the fragmenet actually reacted with him. Not all objects in fiction react the same way with all entities.
6:47. He crushed it. It didn't affect him and neither did the Mirror of Twilight.
Ofc it matters, if your bringing the LoK rules and timeline into this argument then your bringing its immutability, I was simply pointing out that Kain crhonologically is present. Tbh I am not sure young Kain is in this vs, but we know he is in defiance as is the powerset.
I don't even care.
"sigh", your back to saying Kain has no strength feats despite toying and overpowering a raged Raziel? a Raziel who I have proven the strength of with several peoples evidence? 🙄 I guess this is what your tactic is when your side has lost, denial.
If you're still talking about the Soul Reaver 2 intro, it's really not what you're claiming it to be. Raziel barely grazed him with attacks and Kain never overpowered him. We've confirmed that Raziel is strong, not Kain.
That does not change the fact that Iron boots are not that heavy, their not in the hundreds of tonnes and certainly not 70 either, the platform is bested quite easily by only around 600 pounds. Not much at all tbh. 600 pounds is the best canon figuire that can be used for iron boots, therefore Link is enhanced in strength, but not "super strong" like you may try to claim.
That's still super strength, but 600-700 pounds is the barest minimum. If you remember, they still tilted Dangoro's area massively.
If you can push 100 tonnes then you can push 100 tonnes and exert over 100 tonnes of force otherwise you obviously would not be able to budge this object. Kain bests Raziel with ease all the time and breaks a similiar but more angry push against him from Raziel with ease as well....
That's not necessarily true. Pushing or dragging something is much, much easier than lifting it. You wouldn't need to be a 100 tonner to push 100 tons. But you would if you had to lift it, which Raziel has not done. Kain caught Raziel is mid-air. He put his strength against Raziel's weight, not his strength. Kain hasn't physically overpowered Raziel.
No, the wraith blade has a vast number of powers in it. Its only understandable Kain cant so easily regen (he did after his heart was ripped out so it must take longer to regen from the wraith blade). This does not disprove the FMV, if Kain was slashed by the soulreaver in the FMV and then Raziel failed to harm him then you may have at least have a toe to stand on, but you dont even have a toe nail because thats not what happened 😉
Yeah, what happened was an extremely weakened Raziel pierced Kain's heart, which would require him to break bones to do. Kain was absorbing Raziel's soul and still got killed, even though Raziel could barely stand up.
Yes, well, that piece of the EG destroyed and area larger than itself. The full EG would not be troubled by breaking the crust and area of Hyrule. Why would Nosgoth collapse and why would anyone care?
No, the citidel area he barely managed to collapse after several minutes was still really small. He hasn't shown the ability to break the Earth's crust, and even failed to pierce the ledge Raziel used t escape. Elder God is a weakling. Anyway, as for Nosgoth, you claim that Elder God's body supports it. If he was to move somewhere, say, Hyrule, what would be supporting Nosgoth? He can't move or he'll collapse his own forces.
Something does not have to be in a cutscene to be canon 😬 your asking the wrong questions.
Why has the dimensional teleport never been mentioned, by Kain or anyone else, even casually? Why does Kain have to sheathe the Reaver to teleport even after he gets the dimension fragment? Why were so many fragments missing yet still completed the Balance Reaver? Why do you declare gameplay combos non-canon but then declare this one canon?
🙄 no, Raziel with vastly more strength and power than Link with his thousands of tonnes of force did not graze Kain....Link will break his sword on Kains skin, if Kain does not mist or phase to escape such a weak blow. yeh because mist form that takes an instant to form and disperse back into Kain is going to be beaten by Link trying to pull out a boomberang, which will simply slow Kain down a tad...besides Links dead remember? hes cant react to teleports which is whats been proven by more than just me in revious posts...
Raziel basically missed. The sounds made more resembled punches than slices. Then a vastly weakened Raziel raped Kain's heart. Link's Master Sword would cut Kain to pieces and his lantern (shown to burn off poison mist) would...well, burn him off. Link can wear it his belt and keep fighting, too. Kain's canon teleports are far too slow and Link will kill him before he finishes. Kain can't even hold the reaver while teleporting. This is, of course, assuming that Kain isn't fried by the Light Spirits light or the Bulblin's flaming arrows or water dunked by Zant or teleported to Lake Hylia by Midna or impaled by Ganondorf or Light Arrow sniped by Zelda. Or all at once just to get him out of the freaking way.
So Zant cant drown Link? thats what I am talking about, your trying to strawman by missing the point, which is that if Zant could create rock, water etc around Link, he could technically stop him one way or another.
Yes, Zant is unable to drown Link because Link has water breathing equipment. And he did try to stop Link. He just failed.
The source being magical does not give you resistnce to it. Link has to be able to resist the effect not the source of the effect. When were talking about projectiles that are formed from magical essence then you have a point...and Kain has two forms of mind control, magical source version and pure mental force he gained from Marcus. Thats because the triforce protects against twilight, thats you trying to claim it protects against any and all sources and effects just because it can protect against one....thats a no limit fallacy.
Okay, the source being magical doesn't give you magic resistence if you resist it? And since Link has resisted the effects, but the source apparently doesn't matter, that would logically mean that Link can resist the effects no matter what the source is. And no, I'm trying to claim that Link has resisted mind based effects, so mind based effects should have trouble affecting him.
500 years is the time between Kain in BO and BO 2 iirc, It was in the thousands between SR eras, this is evident in humans going from swords and spears to flamethrowers, the land itself changing so Raziel cannot recognise it etc. This is not helping your case, 500 years does not help Zant 😉 he will be dead in seconds...Kain served Kain for a millenium, 1k years...
All Zant would need to do is TK Kain to hold him still or simply let someone else distract Kain and create water on top of both of them. Still doesn't change the fact that Raziel is the only vampire to show any water resistence without adapting to it. Kain hasn't, so he'll dissolve. Or Zant could create magma and burn Kain to nothingness. The only problem would be keeping Kain still long enough, though that's easily solved.
No not all acids, whats your point? FMV/canon>gameplay animation and your playing on it being impossible for in-game to take thousands of years. And the cutscene does not show us him disintegrating, only burning like its acid, like Raziel burned in the abyss for years. The canon is that it burns like acid, considering we know acids dangerous to humans take a long time and Vampires regen incredibly quickly, Zants not got any time to us his illusion.
It's still a contradiction of terms. It is stated that vampires dissolve in water, but acid doesn't dissolve so much as burn flesh. And you're still arguing with a cutscene, since it was clearly seen that that vampire's soul was released after only a few seconds in water. Kain will be the same.
Both could solo, Hyrule has no answer to an instantly regenerating/multiplying continental Titan or a Vampire who is too fast, too strong, too durable and too varied in his powers that would allow him to destroy or mind control most of the LoZ cast.
Unfortunate in that seem to have forgotten everything that has been posted in this thread. EG is too weak to break a large amount of rock and Kain has shown no speed, strength, or durability that would make him unbeatable to LoZ.
Show me, the best TK ive seen from him is controlling a couple of tiny creatures like wolves and an Imp, I have doubts he can even lift a fully grown man, let alone in armour.....and it would take moments for a few archers to spray him with arrows. Overpowering Midna does not mean hes overpowering her hundreds of tonnes TK.
Of course.
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Link is, of course, wearing chainmal armor and carrying a sword and shield. Could you show me Kain lifting a full grown man in armor? All I remember is a skinny old man and a nearly skeletal Raziel.
Yeh, watch the show until Kain teleports behind him and kills him before he can react, or mind controls him and has him attack hyrule.
Zant is too fast for Kain's slow teleport, and he'll be dealing with the Phantoms, who teleport much faster than him and summon more enemies.
He got pierced by Raziel after being greatly weakened after a battle and being slashed by one of the most powerful weapons either possess , Dimentional teleport itself is a reaction feat, reacting to moebius posssessed by Raziel in a second>any reaction of Hyrule anyway. Links got nothing to hit Kain with anyway, Kain can phase through swords if he wishes, the fact your relying and gripping onto a PIS moment shows how desperate the LoZ opposition is.
He got peirced by a ridiculously weakened Raziel while draining Raziel's soul. Dimentional teleport is unproven. Kain didn't react to Moebius/Raziel until the corpse stood all the way back up, which took several seconds. Kain's phasing is too predictable.
Gorons cant move 600 pounds, and thats the strongest of them. Considering their pretty featless durabilitywise and as Dangoro shows their not htta heavy, EG throws them like projectiles and scatters hyrule with their own forces, or as I said buries them. And the planets mantle that the EG's continetal/planet form resides under is far heavier than any impact Gorons can dish out.
Uh, what? Have you not been paying attention? Gorons are in no way featless in durability. Did you forget that one fell asleep in magma, and was launched out of a volcano inside a shell of cooled magma, dunked through meters of ice, and was then unharmed by the explosives used to free him? Elder God, or anyone from LoK for that matter, can't harm Gorons in any way. Gorons shatter boulders and punch apart rockslides on a regular basis. A group of them would destroy the Elder God.
Originally posted by The Scenario [/B]
What proves this is the case? it seems your overhyping it because the only effect is magical light, LoK has that in abundance in both magical and pure forms. Show me that other magical light has no effect on twilight plz.
Well yeh I think its a fair assumption to make because you know...their fighting eachother? so obviously their combined in one battle 🙄 You mean the vampires that are immune with only the fledlings being vulnerable? fledlings that are not even in this matchup.....LoK are immune to twilight because normal soldiers can resist it and it will never be called because it takes 4 seconds+, but whats more, the light spirits cancel it out anyway lol, so all they have to do is kill those who can summon twilight which will take a few seconds before they crush the lightr spirits...simple..
Thats a complete lie, Kain alone is abundant with them, Vorador and Raziel (hes not a vampire but as good as) has many. BO2 bunch have a good lot and Janos has his fair share.
The light arrows were formed by the light spirits powers if I understand correctly, this does not mean to say that the passive light protection the spirits possess can be used as a weapon, nice reaching but its never been used that way. And Kains not being one hitted by anything, his magical resistances are leaps and bounds beyond anything Hyrule has to offer although in your moment of despiration at LoZ having anything powerful of note against LoK I am impressed by you trying to think out of the box.
Ridiculous? 4+ seconds to cast twilight which you yourself made the timing for at 4 seconds is a very very long time, your vids have showed that normal men can survive twilight if not be entirely immune to it and from what I have seen so far, the only beings affected so easily are those not even knowing whats going on. Your vids help me...
They did indeed adapt to the specotral realm, still does not discount the fact vampires are still deadly in spiritual form. Thats not vampire evolution...evolution is when Raziel or Kain in life metamorphisis and gain new dark gifts, Raziel gained wings the last time. Their strong as souls, returning to their bodies is yet another advantage.
I think ill just accept this as it does not help your point, whether or not these soldiers are the same is irrelevent, those privy to the twilight were still immune to it. By the looks of them, those soldiers were transformed where they stand.
Thats a poor attempt at trying to make use of the fact ive not played LoZ, a poor one because ive seen the video before and thats not a fragment of the fused shadows, thats the combined shadows completed into a helmet 😉
Its everything ime claiming it to be because thats what we see, we see an enraged Raziel being beaten time and time again by Kain, Kain does something else iirc in Defiance. Kain pushes Raziel back with ease, and he survives thousands of tonnes of pressure without a scratch....Kain is immortal and nigh invulnerable, especially to LoZ.
Dangoros area which was a large platform propped on top of a smaller one, its no wonder balance was poor....its the same thing if you put a spinning top on its side. The heavier top will fall if you tap it because its only a small bottom holding it up.
Show me an example for your claims because imo you do indeed need to have the strength to overpower a heavy object scraping across the ground with friction working against you. If you put a stone slab on the ground weighing 100 tonnes, I would need at least around that much strength in my arms to get it moving so easily, let alone sending it a meter or so with but a tap. And what Raziel does, flipping it is just as good if not better than lifting it, as hes not using his full bodies strength. You keep talking about wrong timing, and even in that scene, Raziels two arms cant beat Kains strength hold on his neck...
Yeh, after Kains chest was weakened massively from one of the most powerful weapons in the game slashing it, a massively weakened Kain at that, Ganondorf and the rest of Hyrule do not have such weapons or abilities under their control.
lol, no one in hyrule has physically broken down something as large and thats just the tiny Sarafan stronghold porition of the EG, ignoring the piecies of it around the Stronghold that hes breaking it down with or those in the lake of tears etc, this is the entire EG in this fight, not just a piece although Quanchi should change it to just a piece of the EG because this is already a stomp with Kain, let alone the EG to solo it. He pierced it and toppled it so youve not even watched the vid...Hes not iirc supporting the whole of Nosgoth, he resides beneath it. That does not mean him moving will cause a cave in and if it did, so what? its far better than the fate Hyrule will suffer when their buried by thousands of planet crust breaking tentacles.
Why would Kain use only the dimentional teleport when he has others? Dimentional teleport is not a gameplay combo, furthermore gameplay combos are uncanon for their animation that you try and latch onto to claim inconsistancy.
Thats because Kains chest was too strong for the sharp edge to cut. And now your really reaching 😆 , Raziel missed now? maybe the pure force of Raziel moving his hands in a punching motion made Kain shake and shudder and fly backwards did it? Bullshit, as ive proven Links sword does nothing but break on Kains body, if it even lands a hit, Kains got a vast number of options to avoid being hit entirely. Far to slow for a green clad little guy to run across a battlefield? chasing Kains extremely quick teleport.....I lold. Links dead remember? assasinated by any one teleporter. Light spirits never done it, Zants "dunking" would be useless, kain can teleport out of water or simply waits for the effect to wear out, afterall he has centuries before water can burn him away, Ganondorfs sword breaks on Kains skin, prob killing dorf, light arrows are featless canonically, their only shown effective against dark creatures.
But now that youve listed a ton of things in a hope to harm Kain, how about Kain just dimentionally teleports, a power too fast and powerful for any in Hyrule to couinter and kills Zelda, Ganondorf, Zant and Link all ine one go? or mind controls any one of them for lulz and makes the kill eachother, or inspires hate, making them mad into killing eachother, Kains options are almost limitless.
You missed the point again, ofc he could not drown link with an illusion BUT i was supposing if he could create rock, water etc out of thin air he could have swallowed Link in earth, crushing or suffocating him or at least imprisoning him.
That would be a no limit fallacy on links part. Show me the mind based effects.
Yes, right because he can just TK hold Kain despite his best holding feat being on a weak imp and a wolf iirc. how about Kain counter TK's and kills Zant by strangling his featless weak body into mulsh?
What? ofc acid dissolves...it dissolves flesh, its just another way of saying it. Your nitpicking and reaching at the same time...your argueing with canon, FMV's and Raziel himself as well as important plot elements acompanying them. If youve played BO2 you know how the "acid" effect works, e.g. if Kain stands in a stream, it only burns his legs, they dont melt away instantly. I am argueing with a turelim simply being burned, which is what is supposed to happen.
Ironic when youve just claimed a continental giant squid can only break rocks based on just a small portion of him collapsing a temple, or that Kain cant solo despite me proving with other peoples evidence as well as my own that he can hardly even be harmed, let alone defeated.
Yes a very poor feat in comparison to Kain tossing men in armour with ease:
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lol no hes not, not even close. Zants prob just about equel in teleport speed, difference is unlike Kain hes not shown the reaction time so he wont be able to teleport before a sword is in his chest...
After being slashed by the reaver but your going to keep ignoring that part because admitting Kain is nigh invincible to normal physical powers without being weakened is too hard for you despite evidence. Maybe I should just do what you do from now and simply keep claiming nothings been shown, the dimentional teleport has been shown to death and its times have been recorded by many people as too fast for Zant or Dorf to react to. For someone who can predict "maybe" but Zant cannot as his reaction times are slow.
Thats not durability, that just shows their resistance to heat....all of that is nothing compared to the desity of the worlds mantle that EG resides under and burrows through, and a few explosives does not>tentacles that smash through tonnes of rock. Gorons just get thrown as projectiles for lulz, their weak bodies probably exploding as they hit the ground..thousands of Gorons (if there even were that many) would not bother the EG at all assuming they could even damage it, if they could it would regenerate and mulitply from any wound in seconds before tossing them and burying them under "mountains of rubble".
Despite attempting to shorten my response and taking away Scenarios quoted post I still cant fit Moocows little reply 🙁
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
lol one more opportunity? damn you didnt take the hundreds of others when I provided the evidence time and time again, not that you have any real footing, trolling and claiming random nonsense does not give you any ground to claim your giving anyone opportunities. The fact you didnt just spam BS is why I am even replying to you so feel yourself honoured I will waste time.
Kain is stronger because he can overpower Raziel as shown by this:
Kain is faster because of dimentional teleport:
Twilight is useless because it takes 4 seconds+ to at first call and normal soldiers are nigh immune, it also seems to clear up after a few seconds:
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Kain solos because he can mindrape, while standing invincible to Hyrules slow assault and simply use Ganon or Zant or maybe Link to solo Hyrule while he relaxes, their not even worth his effort 😉
Neat, you did it. Now I will explain while you are wrong.
Kain is not stronger because Raziel is not stronger than Link, who Ganondorf matches. Even by the Dangoro feat alone.
Kain is not faster because one teleport cannot be faster than another. What can be faster is the technique, which Zant does not even require. When he wants to disappear he's gone, no movement at all. Kain however appears to do some action movie shout before he begins.
Actually, there was no casting time at all. Lol. He just knocks out the light spirit and that entire area covered itself Twilight automatically. Zant didn't even have to lift a finger for that. So apparently his mere presence brings it down. Well, I'll be damned. This means there's no stopping it! That video you showed, not Twilight at all. I'd say it's Zant using his Koffing to throw out a Smoke Screen attack before calling that Twilight. We've seen what Twilight does, and that didn't do any of it. Nor did it leave any of the effects Twilight does.
Why are normal soldiers immune to it? They aren't. They get turned into spirits.
Link is unaffected by Kain's spell via the Master Sword and resistant via his Triforce of Courage, so if he tries Link with his featless spell he gets his ass beaten.
Ganondorf holds the Fused Shadows which warp the minds of those who touch them, turning them into monsters which could probably kill Kain themselves, mental strength/resistance. He's weak to fire right? Fyrus is coated in the stuff. Zant shattered the Twilight mirror which turns people into monsters by looking at pieces of it. Kain can't escape being encased in ice, right? All his spells take gestures and whatnot. Since he can't move he's boned. Blizzeta can beat him too.
He's not invincible to Hyrule either. I don't know where you got that idea since there wasn't even a video to support it.
Hey, neat. I refuted your claims by making arguments with my game instead of attempting to downplay the information you provided. Can you do that?
Just to note, if I got the scene correct, it was the Light spirits dissidence/defeat that made the area effected by Twilight.
Now im not sure here but corruption in that way [like what happened to the, not the smartest creature, Darbus] is below mind control. Immolate looks like a fun way to put the hurt on Link, bypass that -no evil status ailments- sword.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Neat, you did it. Now I will explain while you are wrong.Kain is not stronger because Raziel is not stronger than Link, who Ganondorf matches. Even by the Dangoro feat alone.
Kain is not faster because one teleport cannot be faster than another. What can be faster is the technique, which Zant does not even require. When he wants to disappear he's gone, no movement at all. Kain however appears to do some action movie shout before he begins.
Actually, there was no casting time at all. Lol. He just knocks out the light spirit and that entire area covered itself Twilight automatically. Zant didn't even have to lift a finger for that. So apparently his mere presence brings it down. Well, I'll be damned. This means there's no stopping it! That video you showed, not Twilight at all. I'd say it's Zant using his Koffing to throw out a Smoke Screen attack before calling that Twilight. We've seen what Twilight does, and that didn't do any of it. Nor did it leave any of the effects Twilight does.
Why are normal soldiers immune to it? They aren't. They get turned into spirits.
Link is unaffected by Kain's spell via the Master Sword and resistant via his Triforce of Courage, so if he tries Link with his featless spell he gets his ass beaten.
Ganondorf holds the Fused Shadows which warp the minds of those who touch them, turning them into monsters which could probably kill Kain themselves, mental strength/resistance. He's weak to fire right? Fyrus is coated in the stuff. Zant shattered the Twilight mirror which turns people into monsters by looking at pieces of it. Kain can't escape being encased in ice, right? All his spells take gestures and whatnot. Since he can't move he's boned. Blizzeta can beat him too.
He's not invincible to Hyrule either. I don't know where you got that idea since there wasn't even a video to support it.
Hey, neat. I refuted your claims by making arguments with my game instead of attempting to downplay the information you provided. Can you do that?
You failed, you succeeded in simply stating some lack of facts without evidence, you can clear this up by showing vids for the following:
Video 1:
Proof Dangoro is heavy.
Video 2:
proof Ganondorf matches Link in strength.
Video 3:
Zants reaction time feats.
Your point about the light spirit is after Zant called down twilight, hes going to have to knock out all the light spirits here in the first place but whats more, hes going to have to call down twilight first which is ridiculously slow, 4 seconds by my shown video, if not more.
Wrong, we see them running about in it, this has been agreed before by your better so ill not get into a "no itz not!" whine with you.
Not shown to be, your making up feats and powers that are not there especially the MS protection.
He holds a completed helmet which only power was to Midna. No more than anyone else, but this is where you ignore Fyrus' extreme sloth. I would like to see someone put someone in ice quickly, a quick LoZ spell will be nice to see, then maye they have some answer. You can then prove how strong the ice is, if its not that strong then Kains claws and whatnot would make an easy escape, as would teleportation.
There was math and vid evidence from several people, not just myself.
I do it all the time, probelm is this is not what you did. You simply copied a few things Scenario has already said a good few pages back. Were onto newer things now mostly.....
Inspire hate alone beats all of the main Hyrule cast, they go mad and kill eachother.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Applying fire to the guy who spends a portion of the game inside an active volcano, less than a meter from liquid rock at times, in an enclosed area? O-o
Correction, fire with heat enough to cause stone or rock to implode almost instantly with a thought so magnus shows us. Links got no heat reistance. A stray teleport from Janos, Kain or Vorador ends link.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Applying fire to the guy who spends a portion of the game inside an active volcano, less than a meter from liquid rock at times, in an enclosed area? O-o
Originally posted by BloodRainThat /might/ be a valid point if it were a one off thing, but this has been addressed before in the series. 😐 Link's even worn heat resistant clothes and walked through lava before. Zelda is very aware of physics and heat conduction. Hence the goron tunic and the iron boots and shit.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConvectionSchmonvection
Unless, of course stated otherwise. Yeah Immolate looks good in my eyes.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtExcept none of those would even work. 😐 Inspire hate? Featless spell is ignored. Teleport slash? Useless as Kain lacks the striking power or speed to damage or even hit Link, Kain eats a mortal draw. Soul rape? Cause y'know, he totally didn't survive the twilight fields, and again, Kain's spells are featless. Immolate? See above.
Mind control, immolate, soul raping, inspire hate oh the list goes on for Link one hitters. Hell, dimentional teleport slash, or a random teleporter. Although why kill Link when he can control him? as inferior as it is, the MS and Link himself have powers to beat other Hyrulians...
Yes right, wont work because Link survived twilght that cant even stop normal soldiers...I lold. And your claims of featless are irrelevent, they have canon function, the fact theyve not been used on anyone on import in a cutscene would only work against them if the target was not featless which he is. I lold at your Link overhype, a few soldiers with arrows would cut Link down, let alone Kain slicing him in half. Its been proven he cannot percieve or react quickly enough to teleporters 🙂