LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not flaming, calling someone daft or childish....if you dont like it then dont be childish or daft. Hardly comparable to calling someone a "prick", even lana can call people twats which is more than anything I do, but pric? thats certainly a attack.

It was out of line to say it and BT's comments on people aren't on that level insult-wise. Warning or whatever was given, should all leave it be.

And no Goron is 200 tons.

If warnings, bans, and other restrictions are based on the "level" of an insult, then it is very easy to flame under the radar. Calling someone childish and daft is still an attack against them, and just because the word use seems lighter does not mean someone cannot take offense from it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not flaming, calling someone daft or childish....if you dont like it then dont be childish or daft. Hardly comparable to calling someone a "prick", even lana can call people twats which is more than anything I do, but pric? thats certainly a attack.

Just because Peach will call people twats does not mean she should, and it does not help that the people she will refer to as such give her reason to say so. A personal attack is a low form of debating and just plain wrong, no matter how "nicely" you insult someone.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's no more attack than calling someone a whining child, and far less aggressive. Calling someone daft and childish IS flaming, it's unrelated to the discussion, it's just you being a prick. If you don't like being called a prick, don't be a prick. See how that works? Same as your post. 🙂

Scream, you are a self-proclaimed troll, but you also know better. If you get warned or banned, you have yourself to blame for both antagonizing BT and letting yourself be antagonized in return.

Daft is basically the British version of stupid, BT. So I guess I'll be calling you that from now on.

Originally posted by Burning thought
🙄 I am never full of shit, at least not here, I just dont use it because I know the whining that comences from any ignorant source that simply does not want to belive it. Developer quote+dictionary that translates all spoken words into more or less literal omnipotence and still its not concrete. And a no limit fallacy is not a KMC rule, its a debating fallacy.

Your quotes are worthless. A hundred dollars says you misinterpret them because you are so bad with language you don't know the difference between hyperbole and onomatopoeia.

Actually it is a KMC rule as well. I think it even references Ganondorf and Pyron in it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your making this up entirely now 😬 it even sounds daft. nothing has to be funny and the very concept is foolish because funny itself, hell even cool is a perspective. One persons toonforce could in your vocab be "boringforce ftw!".....

We know toonforce follows the Rule of Funny because I'm sick of just letting you make it whatever the hell you want it to be. And since funny is a matter of perspective, it is toonforce to you, and not to me. Which one of us should have our opinion take priority? Personally I say me because I've played the games and therefore know what I'm talking about.

Of course, you might say yours because since you lack experience with the games you are unbiased. In which case my opinion takes priority on LoK games because I have not played them and therefore am unbiased. Toonforce anyone?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Not just English, infact the majority of translations that mension a metal for the boots are iron or some other not so "godly dense" metal, and 600 pounds is me refering to Scenarios argument based on the weight puzzle.

600 pounds is an impossibility.

Wait a minute! You must be talking about price! England uses pounds as currency still, right? Well in that case I'd have to agree. 600 pounds for boots seems pretty steep, but those things are heavy!

Originally posted by Burning thought
You sure about that? a living beings bone structure is actually metal, metal is often heavier/denser than most rocks so it makes sense that Gorons which may not even have any bone structure but may also be hollow to include vital organs are not that heavy. Not all rocks are heavy tbh, there are many porous and hollow rocks that you can break in your fingers or lift without much problem. Maybe not Dangoros size but still, hes prob more hollow than most.

Lol?

No. Stone is heavier than humans unless you're using some kind of incredibly lightweight stone which is impossible because Gorons sink in water. Hell, even humans sink in water unless they try to stay afloat.

And no, the only proven hollow portion is a stomach.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol you never proved anything in that thread other than your comprehension of toonforce being ridiculous and your attempts at twising anything that "may" aid you as pathetic.

Funny, I believe I've said the same thing about you. You are daft.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Is that so? what other 70 tonner stats does he have then?

Wrastlin' with Link. Oh look! Strength!

Originally posted by Burning thought
Neither do the LoZ magnets, they suspend at most 600 pounds if that. Which sure is better than a fridge magnet but thats not the point.

Afraid not. See above, I've already covered your 600 pounds nonsense you daft person you.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kains body had to be weakened by the reaver, one of the most powerful weapons in the game before Raziel could stick his claws in. An FMV proves that thousands of tonnes of force cannot even scratch Kains body.

Raziel's Reaver is some spiritual thing right? Seems like it would just bypass is body instead of weakening it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You just made a boo boo, LoZ [b]ARE totally featless to these types of effects 😆 [/B]

No. See my pasts posts. Oh god, look what you have me doing. I'm posting like you except in less words.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No he never punched, thats clear and no your wrong, its still a sharp claw edge slashing the skin, as long as the small area is tounching Kains chest its as good as slashing with a sword. The point edge PSI is added and multiplied, Kain got hit by thousands of tonnes without taking a scratch.

Well if you're talking about the same thing I am then he did indeed punch Kain, there was even a sound effect to match it.

Raziel still isn't as strong as Link who will also use a sword edge and have even greater force on Kain. He will not take it and will be cut to pieces.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Refuted? you mean claiming randomly without evidence that their immune to every power "coz the MS can revert wolves back to humans!?" lol...yeh, no limit fallacy.

It's not a no limit fallacy. Did you practice being this daft?

Since Ganon's magic is above Kain's via feats, Link is immune to his pathetic little mind spells. Of course Link is also able to touch the Fused Shadows which warp other people into monsters with a touch.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Damn your a parrot to? one who gets overpowered by anger!

Don't be so daft. Curse words do not indicate anger every time you see them. Anyone who drives knows you can call someone an ******* without being provoked.

Originally posted by Burning thought
"Hey everyone, I just got this totally awsome piercing because a comercial strategy pushed me into doing it!"

Why do you insist on talking about things you know NOTHING about? This is pushing on a personal attack BT. Get a life.

Just spotted this:

Thats a couple of ignorant things to say, thats almost like claiming every persond who "is" pushed into that kind of thing knows exactly that

"Hey everyone, I just got this totally awsome piercing because a comercial strategy pushed me into doing it!"

But anyway, off topicus!

I wear an Iron Maiden shirt, CLEARLY Iron Maiden branwashed me, has NOTHING to do with how ****ing awesome Iron Maiden are. 😐 Er,wait.

Go loosen your tie or something.

I love the faux-British intellectual thing BT is doing in this thread.

Made me laugh.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Just spotted this:

Lolwut. I don't even think there ARE Commercials that advocate getting your lip or nosed pierced. 😐 Atleast not here. And Metal? You never hear it on the radio, or see it on tv, what commercial strategy could have pushed [b]things we like on us? Are you trying to pidgeon hole me into a stereotype?

I wear an Iron Maiden shirt, CLEARLY Iron Maiden branwashed me, has NOTHING to do with how ****ing awesome Iron Maiden are. 😐 Er,wait.

Go loosen your tie or something. [/B]

Not every form of advertisment is a comercial. When concerning music, all musicians have a certain "image" they try to create.

When I did Media advanced Iron Maiden was not mentioned so I cannot create a constructure answer to that specifically but merchandise can be a form of advertisment/comercialism to try and set up some kind of "craze".

Hm, when I make my tie tomorrow I will certainly have it loose, this weather boils me like tasty sexy little lobster.

But anywayz, prob wont be lurking around this forum while SC 2 is in my possession. Bloodrain and Sin are doing a good enough job atm at pushing back the fallacious fanon.

That's right BT, ignore that which you have no answer for.

Oh dear, this is going to get really long, isn't it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats most unwise because Nemebro is an extremely lazy poster who goes from trying to act smart to getting angry and ranting.

But he's the Demon God Emperor and at least twice anyone's intellectual superior. Know your betters, Burning Thought. Besides, I finally got you to halfway organize your posts so I can pick them apart easier.

1. Thats not burdon of proof, my claim is that light, of magical or pure nature has shown to be from the light spirits effective, therefore LoK's light by nature is just as effective.

Your claim is that magical light is the same as the Life Force of the Gods. LFoG has shown the ability to remove magical darkness effects and harm creatures normally resistant to light. Can you prove that magical light does the same? If LoK's light has not shown that ability, you can't say it is the same, which is how debates work.

2. Explain please

Tears of Light are small peices of the Light Spirit's light that are stolen. They do nothing until all are together for the Light Spirit to use. They give off a small amount of light, but don't remove twilight on their own.

1. Theres no way both planets could be slotted together for the purpose, I assumed they were one one huge battlefield, not both landmasses of hyrule and Nosgoth stuck together. Hm...

Meh. Don't care, honestly.

2. Did Midna ever have a weakness to sunlight in the first place? its important because Vampires when young do, they die from it and have evolved past that now....lights not going to do anything to them. And wht do you expect? midna is a twilight being is she not? if their power is to push back twilight, especially passively then shes going to be weak, Vamps are not twilight.

Normal Twili can't survive in the light world. Midna has a special defense where she automatically becomes a shadow in the light world, like this:
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5:05, and notice that she hides before the Light Spirit shows itself. That's because the Life Force of the Gods still affects her. After she gets the Triforce of Wisdom she can survive in the light world, though.

3. Yeh and as I said, this does not discount the fact normal soldiers have resisted it completly or are immune to it, as I said its obvious people who are not privy of twilight attacking them seem more powerful against it. Its only ever affected those who do not know its coming.

What you're doing is equating dark fog to twilight, which is a mistake. Though, it's obvious that Hylians have an innate resistance to magic.

4. I can see this:

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For Zant to call down twilight, it takes (after he beats lightspirits, lots of them all active at once in this battle) from 3:51-3:56 (6 seconds) heavens knows how long it takes him to cast it. Once again we never see him do it but what we know is a lot of time passed so I am assuming after beating Zelda around 3:40, so it could have taken him around 16 seconds, 10 seconds to cast it and 4 for it to actually work lol.

But we already know how long it takes to cast it: instant, as shown in the Lanayru fight. And I suppose that a continent sized twilight field might take a little more time, but we know a single region is instant. All he'd need to do a crusg one region at a time while the Light Spirits focus on other areas.

Yeh thats cute, using a point where twilight has already been called down. Thats what happens when a lightspirit is in the area, considering Zant in this fight has all of them to contend with before he can even cast the thing, twilights completly useless in this fight. Furthermore, whats stopping the light from the light spirits which seems passive from obliterating all of the twilight forces?

What are you saying here? Because it looks like you just said twilight stays in an area even while the Light Spirit is protecting it. You just claimed that twilight persists even through the Life Force of the Gods and is just waiting to come back down. See, that wouldn't happen if twilight just fades away like you also claim it does. Which is it, BT?

Now, then. Once the instant twilight is down, the twilight forces are just going to rape all of LoK's forces in the field minus the vampires since the Light spirits already took care of them. What with there being no Hyrule or Nosgoth on one huge battlefield, the Light Spirits can't reach everywhere, nor are they limited to stay in one place, so they're free to bring their passive vampire kill aura where ever they want. And there's four of them.

1. Those you listed are indeed super in some way or form but in Blood omen 2, we see the typical vampires like Faustus can leap great distances and Umah confirms all vampire are stronger and faster than humans. Considering the bulk of Hyrules forces are likely human (not sure theres any other "army sized" group in Hyrule) then their at a disadvantage.

But they don't display anything really quantifiable, do they? Hylians are stated to be the race closest to the gods, and while they have displayed magic resistence they don't seem much different. Though there are also the Bulblins and, of course, the twilight army, who are capable of turning LoK's forces against them. And Gorons, and Zoras.

Now, answer me this: How many vampires are present in Defiance? Wasn't Kain supposed to be the last one? You've listed several from Blood Omen 2, but the only ones from Defiance are Kain, Vorador and Janos. Since Janos was dead, I believe it took place after Moebius' vampire purge, right? There shouldn't even be any vampires.

2. New period of time, Raziel as a vampire was a modern Elder, when he became the Soul reaver he was even more powerful.

More powerful than a normal vampire, yes.

3. Stated above, leaping great distances, Marcus although slightly more mentlally powerful in Bo2 is still quite ordinairy in comaprison to current Kain and Raziel and its similiar with Sabastian who has super speed. Their named sure but their still on and around the level of typical vampire, their not ancient or evolved.

But each has abilities too variable to standardize, though they're still extinct at this point.

1. Youve yet to prove it has the same effects as sunlight to vampires who btw are immune.

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3:10

You've yet to prove they're immune.

2. The vast resistance against the reaver, against the circle when he walked within the combined power of 3 of their number performing a reality warping feat that would eventually cover Nosgoth (more powerful magic than anything ive seen from Hyrule). Kains faced magic in almost all his fights as he killed most of the circle by himself. Oh and the repel shield reflects magic effects thus effectively making Kain immune anyway. Thats those off the top of my head.

What resistence against the Reaver? When did this supposed reality warp occur? What feats does the repel shield have?

And if you're talking about Dark Eden, don't bother. That only affects the the living and pure. Kain is neither. It also didn't affect the other Gauradians or Vorador. Its only feats are normal humans and some rain. That's no feat. Hah, I can't believe you even called it a reality warp.

1. Your looking at the wrong vid, prob on purpose since maybe youve attempted to be sly and show evidence thats not chronological. E.g. your ignoring the fact Zant had already cast twilight and its simply returning in that video.

So, again, you claim that twilight is permanent when it suits your argument. I mean, come on. Lanayru had already banished the twilight, and Link went through a whole dungeon Zant attacked them. You think the twilight came back on its own?

2. If it takes a long time to just burn Kains legs then immersion will take a long time to burn his entire body. Just like Raziel has shown and displayed and how the canon describes it as nothing more than dangerous acid to a vampire, an extremely fast regenerating vampire with more durable flesh than humans. Regionwide is impossible because it takes more than 10+ seconds to cast and take effect and thats not whats shown. Whats shown is that those who can see and know its there seem to be immune, because only non privy peasents and soldiers have been transformed but soldiers who see it run through it.

Casual contact still =/= immersion. And when does this leg burning take place? Gameplay? Are you still trying to make these ridiculous reaches when the video evidence is staring you in the face? Here it is again.

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1:20

3. Thats part of the prophecy, that could allow me to argue that Link is weaker than a soldier. This sort of backs up my point on "knowledge" or "training" where I claim that the Soldier who perhaps more disipline can fight the effects of twilight. Also the only time ive seen link transform is when he was out on the floor after Zant beat him.

😆

That's probably the funniest thing you tried to claim Kain being Skyfather. Anyway, Link is kinda confirmed from two different sources to have protection anyway, and Hylians have some magic resistance. As for transforming.
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2:44, and something I forgot to mention until I rewatched the video. See, it's impossible to enter twilight that's already down without the help of a twilight based creature. If you remember, the first time Link got pulled in by a Shadow Beast. That means once Zant puts down the instant twilight, LoK can't stop him and his army from wiping out everything inside.

2. Adapation may take a long time (it does not really say that it takes "long" does it?) for their predatory natures, but considering they would have been transformed I would assume they would be pretty angry and predatory as soon as they are transformed.

Uh, yes it does. The exact quote is that they spent "too long" inside the spectral realm. Why am I even arguing this? There aren't any vampires besides Kain and a few, and the Light Spirits already wiped them out.

1. You know what I mean, thats not a shard that Ganons holding, and its the shards that corrupted creatures. Considering Ganon is already evil it makes sense hes not corrupted....

Being evil makes you immune to transformation, possession, and corruption? That's amazing, even if all fused shadows are known as forbidden power. Time for some trippy shit, I wouldn't recommend watching this alone.
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3:15 to about 4:30. The Fused Shadows, all of them, helmet included, are the manifestations of Twili magic sealed in physical form. This also reveals that the Light Spirits are able to seal magic away into physical form. That sure sucks for LoK's magic users.

2. He didnt resist anything, the shadows were simply an inanimate helmet that did not show any power once combined and off the head of a controller.

Yeah, all of them are sealed forms of magic. There's literally zero difference between the shard and the helmet shaped shard. You're aware that that's the source of Midna's power?

1. You saying its not putting up much of a resistance does not discount the fact Raziel does indeed trying and free himself, I would like to see a human stop something with tonnes of strength wriggling free from a one arm/hand hold 🙄

I would've tried to kick him or his arm, personally. Not wiggle. Had Raziel actually tried, he'd have snapped Kain's arm off.

2. Raziels not got a choice at that moment whether or not to use his claws, if you even watched the video and paused it at about 2:07 you can see no balled fist, only the tips of his claws slashing Kain.

Which failed to slice even Kain's clothes. Anything that might have hit was too shallow to matter. Those were grazing hits; we've seen what happens when Raziel actually wants to hurt Kain.

3. Wrong, where are getting this "hovered" rubbish from. Raziels arm is against Kains chest in an attempt to stop him moving. Sure Raziel does not stop Kain grabbing it but that does not discredit the feat of breaking the hold so easily. Raziel sure put a lot more effort into that what with his enraged state than timidly pushing 50-100 tonnes around.

He's not actually holding Kain down. It looks more like he's just resting his arm on Kain. Raziel got cauught by surprize, even when Kain grabbed him. That scene is nothing but PIS.

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Pathetic? took prob about a second to cast and after that its irrelevent. This is his non combat teleport that he uses outside of fights, he does a similiar one (strangely I think its quicker the second time around) when he teleports from the EG's chamber. He has another quicker one when he does not even use hands or gestures in Soul reaver 1.
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The gestures and lightshow alone took 3 seconds, followed by another 3 second lightshow when he appears. He's ridiculously vulnerable during either time, and Zant is so much faster he could kill Kain during them.

2. I couldnt find it, I was refering to a scene other than the Kain vs Raz fight, it may not have been in Defiance but in SR or SR 2, ill have a look. In the mean time though, Kain did stop Raziel pushing against him, albiet a weakened one but still tonnes of strength using far more effort than when slapping a large piece of concrete meters along.

When was this? At no point in the Soul Reaver 2 intro des Kain pit his strength against Raziel.

1. hm your right. Which is strange, you see I simply assumed it was on top of something other than lava because I thought it was heavy and irl, rocks dont really float on lava, certainly not anything heavy. Therefore, based on this evidence, that platform is nowhere near as heavy as has been claimed in the past.

Bouyancy. Learn it. Especially since magma has several thousand times the viscosity of water and is in fact rather difficult to sink in. I don't know why everyone seems to think magma is just red hot water, but really, that stuff is molten rock.

1. Its exactly the same with lifting, if your lifting something up your still using your entire body. Your back, body, leg muscles etc all go into the object your holding up....

Yes, but it is much more difficult to do, what with weight and gravity and such. Here's a thought experiment: go find a bookshelf or something and try to lift it. Then try to push it. You'll find that pushing is easier. I don't recall the exact math, but lifting something straight up and pushing it up an incline the same distance requires the same amount of force. Pushing to the side with no incline requires requires less. I know, I've been helping somebody move pretty much all week.

2. Nah, watch:

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At 2:57 he goes to dig into it but changes his mind and pushes. A light push thats similiar to if I was trying to push away a human without effort sends 50 tons sliding along the other block and to the ground.

That's still not a light push. He's putting a bit into that one.

3. lol, your trying to denounce something by saying that now Raziel was not trying to get free? despite trying to break loose. Thats what happens when you cant break free from a vice, you can only wiggle because he cant break Kains grip as you see he puts his hands on Kains and tries to break loose. It would be the same with you, try as you might....you would not break Kains claw grip...

You're saying Raziel was trying to get free despite wiggling? It's obvious he's just not trying, or he'd do some kicks or plunge the wraith blade into Kain's face.

1. Irrelevant unless your trying to claim that Kains chest is vastly more durable than an area a few inches down? you would not be able to anyway unless as I said, the reaver slashed Kains chest in the previous scene, it didnt.

No, I'm saying the Wraith Blade hit him in the stomach and Raziel peirced his chest. And Raziel still would have had to break through several of Kain's ribs, so those are that durable, either.

2. Kain was in worse off as he had just been slashed across the chest after being weakened so Kains damaged and crippled vs Raziel who is not nearly as damaged, only exausted , and your misinterpreting. Kain wasnt doing anything and the reaver was not even the soul reaver. The Blood reaver was trying to fullfill its destiny by absorbing Raziel which is completly different to the soul reavers purpose.

Both were fighting and both were tired or hurt. Regardless, if a single slash is all it takes to ruin Kain, the Master Sword or Sage's sword can provide. Especially since a half-material and fading Raziel can peirce Kain so easily.
It takes forever to absorb Raziel's soul, why would it be any faster afterwards? Can you show it being faster?

3. 😆 Mida is too slow and weak. Ime sure Raziel or Janos could beat MIdna but thats irrelevant, what is, is that the feats behind the power of the weapons you mentioned are trival compared to what Kain has survived without a scratch and furthermore what Kain has "phased" through. Theres no PIS in this fight afaik so Kain wont even take hits he does not have to, hes going to be phasing through every blade or attack and misting through others.

Nah, Midna's plenty fast. It's Kain and them that don't have any speed or reaction feats either. It's not like they can hit her, anyway.
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1:42 and 5:07, Midna can do it, too. And don't forget Midna has the ability to teleport others wherever the hell she wants. Or just crush them with her massive TK.

1. Show me "regularly" e.g., more than just a couple of vids of specific Gorons (Dangoro/Patriarch) breaking some rocks plz.

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0:20, meh.

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3:05, oh well, at least they're still too durable for anything in LoK.

He does not fail, you would see this if you watched for a few more seconds at 0:26 he not only breaks that rock but tonnes more rock around it, some even bigger than the initial slab. [quote]

He does indeed fail fail to break that ledge.
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3:20, he fails hard. 3:29, not one of those is as big as the ledge.

[quote]2. Not if hes deep, your forgetting that the EG resides in the deep places of the world not just Nosgoth, therefore hes deeper than a few meters in, hes not going to collapse Nosgoth if he moves slowly enough and does not disturb over rock but this is pointless conversation. your claim now is that EG can only use a few tentacles at a time because he only does so? poor claim is poor, bilogically he can and biologically he has used the tentacles he requires in each initial.

So he's going to move slowly, is he? Enough time for anyone to come kill him, I suppose, and he can't retaliate without collapsing everything. Good to know. Now, can you prove that the Elder God is biologically able to use multiple tentacles at once? The most he's ever used has been four, so evidence suggests that that's his limit. Can you also prove that they regenerate?

1. 1 second to cast, and thats one teleport, unique to others.

3 seconds to cast, onlu one he's shown using. Unable to use reaver.

Why do you keep saying he "has to"? just because he does?

Yes. Both time Kain has teleported in cutscene, he's holds his hands in front of his chest and has to put away the Reaver to make the gesture. It's the same gesture, so we know that that's how Kain teleports. Unless you can show me another canon teleport?

2. The combos animation of throwing a soldier into the air without cutting him is non canon. Thats what you were picking at when bringing up combos to claim its not consistent

I don't think I was saying it was inconsistent. I'm pretty sure I said it was you who was being inconsistent about what is or is not gameplay. The fact of the matter remainsthat the dimensional teleport is nothing but gameplay. If you want it to be canon, why not let that meter be canon, too?

3. That does not make the move non canon, only that the only use of it is in gameplay. Thats the same with a lot of powers, almost of Kratos from God of Wars other powers other than pure strength are never seen in cutscenes, especially in earlier games. (GoW 3 is a bit better). Their still all canon....

If the move is canon, the meter has to be as well. Since the meter can't be, the move also can't be. I don't know why you're bringing up other games that are unrelated, but regardless I haven't really seen anyone argue much of Kratos' other stuff.

1. Not sure it hit the cape, Kains chest still was not cut.

Niether were cut, so there was obviously no cutting going on. We've seen Raziel harm Kain before.

2. I dont have to prove the MS can be broken when its not got any durability feats...even the reaver has sliced with ease through solid rock without a scratch and has survived for eons in the hands of Kain who gets stuck into battles so its no normal sword when durability is concerned. Even raziel and the vampires fear it and consider it "invincible" hence why Raziel claims how incredible it was for the time paradox to break it. Whats the MS done to compare?

You are aware that the Master has also been used for eons (lolexaggeration) and cuts through castle sized barriers, armor, reflects lightning, breaks spells, etc. and is generally the Blade of Evil's Bane, so it's also no normal sword. Oh, and it has survived and created paradoxes, edging out the Soul Reaver there. However, a bit of that is from other games, so whatever. But, of the two, the Master Sword is the one that didn't break.

3. Poor claim, your counting from the point its cast to the point it appears? first the dimentional teleport is faster and will end Link and second, its still too fast for Link to react who took a second or so to react to noise.

Kain's only canon teleport has a 3 second start up time, 3 second appearing time, and requires a gesture that can't hold a weapon. Link will have murdered Kain by then if he tries.

4. Sorry, evidence has shown light spirits can beat twilight creatures lol...

Sorry, vampires have no resistence to supersunlight. There aren't even any vampires in that era.

5. Wrong again lol, I recall Zants illusion taking a good few seconds, its predictable as well as a dark circle appears in front of him as he charges it. Its range is also small

Nah, Zant's creation may be slow, but it's faster than Kain's teleport. He'll pull it off before Kain teleports every time. Or he'kk just kill Kain and then use it on whoever.

6. Dimentional and even moral teleports are damn quick, a second, maybe just over is all Kain needs. He could behind Midna then and get the drop on her, killing her before her featless reaction times come into effect. Or just pummel her to death with his own TK.

3 seconds, no less, is what the evidence shows for Kain. Midna can certainly react to that, even if Kain could actually hit her. She'd have stabbed him with her before he finished if she didn't already crush him with far superior TK or just teleport him somewhere, like right into Zant's water. Kain also has no reaction feats.

7. Yeh right, and a normal arrow from a couple of Sarafan soldiers kill Ganon....see how daft that sounds? whats funny is that when concerning Midna or Zant its likely the truth, human arrows from a few archers kill those two...

You don't think a Light Arrow can kill a vampire? Kain will be disintegrated, and there's nothing his featless reaction time can do about it.
No soldiers will kill either Zant or Midna, since Zant is too fast and Midna can phase through anything they do.

1. Nah, your like a clam latching to anything you can hold onto...

Hey, latching is my thing. You have your reaching, I have latching, Quanchi has portrayal. That's my word now. Regardless, until you show Kain teleporting faster, 3 to 6 seconds is his speed.

2. Any of them are fair game, their featless resistancewise. Midna? you didnt watch the vid otherwise you would realise it takes ages for her to even get into her larger form using the shadows.

Fused Shadows and Mirror shards say otherwise. Kain's spells don't even have any feats. And did you wath the video?
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5:36, that's practically instant. And did you know she doesn't even need to transform to use them?

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7:44-8:00, that attack will ruin Kain as well.

3. I have done so before now, their all here:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

OR, mind control non magic version:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo2/darkgifts.php

Do you know what a feat is? I'm asking honestly, because not one of those is a feat. It is a description on par with the combos you're so quick to say are non-canon. Show me one of those affecting anything above a normal human, in a cutscene, or anything that's not a fallible statement from a fallible character, as you so love to point out.

Further, your own link states the mind control only works on weak human minds or anyone that can attack Kain. Natural hylian resistence will probably take care of it.

most of those powers end most of Hyrule or control them. Infact, Kain has an Inspire hate on the reaver in Defiance. Therefore, he inspires most of hyrule to kill itself, all he needs to do is be within a few meters and be given a second or so (easy, slow Hyrule RT ftw) and he can turn Ganon, Link and more into lunatics killing eachother. Should be easy considerng outside of the thread, their personalities lead them to hate eachother anyway.

Too bad that version of Inspire Hate needs a meter to be filled just like the dimensional teleport. You've not posted a single feat for any of those spells, so I don't know why you keep bringing them up. Zant's fast enough to have killed him before he even gets a spell off.

2. No youve not, your simply keep repeating your opinion and how "sure" you are that Zant is physically creating these environments because he can according to you effectively create his own verse/continents or areas out of thin air....despite evidence such as the area harming him, the areas often being nigh mimics to what Zant or Link have already seen etc.

You know what? You can believe what you want, but the fact remains that Kain will be killed by it. He's been hurt by illusions before, specifically Moebius and Nupraptor.

3 And heres your combat agaisnt illusions? that apprently Zant simply copies things from Link or his own mind is not an illusion, but creation without creativity? lol...reaccccchhh.. Edna must have made you your new suit Elastigirl because now you can reach further without ruining your clothing!

GOMU GOMU NO PLOT

Yeah, you're now attempting to argue that Zant isn't an idiot. Or insane. If Zant knew how to use those abilities to their true potential he'd be near unstoppable. Either that or he doesn't have the abilities you seem to think he does. Only what he's shown is what we know him to have, though I suppose we can guess based on what is shown.

1. Ok, he does not touch the fragment of the fused shadows, also your the one claiming what its doing to these creatures. Bloodrain mentioned something about how it may just be corrupting these hyrule creatures through its twilight origin, ive accepted that Link may have resistance to twilight......

So Link has telekinesis, then? He's got an artifact of power floating in his hands while giving off a dark aura.

2. I cant even see the reflection in that shard of mirror, this makes me wonder if the mirror can only reflect or corrupt things when its complete OR some corruption work is relevent again.

Nope, watch it again. Yeta looked into the same fragment and was turned by it, and it was still a fragment. What are you talking about with the corruption work? It's just something that the Mirror does.

1. Its not if all shes doing with her TK is lifting her weight which is tiny, and I lol again, you dont have to overpower TK to overpower weight even if shes using her TK to levitate her weight.

Midna levitates herself with TK that can lift several hundred tons, and both Zant and Ganondorf overpower that levitaion. Can you explain why they don't need to overpower that TK when she's using it to fly?

2. Thats ridiculous and impossible because Zants own reaction times are zero, his teleport is not that quick and Kains reaction times are leaps and bounces beyond Zants....oh, and Zants not got a weapon in his arsenal to harm Kain ofc...

Kain's reaction time is zero as well, as he has not a single reaction feat to his name. Zant's teleport and movement speeds are both much faster than Kain, as evidence has proven. Zant's swords will be enough to kill Kain's less than stellar durability.

1. Not really, just language used, for example acid does not create heat, dissolves is perhaps a better word to use rather than "burn".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_burn

Heat is not necessary for a burn to occur; just another facet of language. Radiation burns also don't usually involve heat; you can get a sunburn on a cloudy day or in the snow (because snow can reflect UV rays), for instance.

I'm referring to stuff like this.

2. Ime looking at a vampire burning in water, and your argueing with FMV's, Raziel, and solid canon behind how water affects vamps..

I'm arguing against protected-by-the-Elder-God Raziel, while you're arguing against a cutscene of a vampire dissolving and are attempting to use the incorrect definition of a word that is also not being used correctly.

3. Yes, but its static.

Static? As in it doesn't change? Regardless, it's gameplay and can kill Kain anyway.

1. Just showed you he broke that ledge and more, and the temple was collapsing, whether the EG finished it off despite Kain escaping we dont know...

Watched it again, he didn't break the ledge and everything he did break was much smaller.

2. Soul reaver 2 intro proves Kain being hit by Raziels strength and PSI claws, other peoples evidence is Bloodrains, my own and others measurements and math on Raziels strength.

Raziel's strength, yes. Claws, no. There is no evidence that the claws were in use, and Raziel just wasn't trying.

Its far beyond midnas weight, a soldier in armour is heavy, Kain tk them around with ease and the force of said TK crushig on Zant or Midna would undoutably kill their durability featless bodies. So Kain kills either with a gesture, not even wasting a fraction of a second teleporting (unless he uses dimentional, which allows him to attack many in fractions of seconds ofc).

Midna's weight + TK is still > a soldier in armor. Either one of them would destroy Kain in multiple ways. Dimensional teleport still fails.

"sigh" thats not even that quick, a human could give a reaction to that. Thats ignoring the dimentional teleport that proves Kain can react, move and attack in less than 0.2 seconds of time. Extremely quickly.....

*sigh* is usually how that is done. Quotes look odd.

Regardless, it's faster than anything Kain has ever done or reacted to, and I doubt a human could react to it. That is, of course, ignoring dimensional teleport which, frankly, deserves to be ignored.

That teleport of Zants took "almost" a second taking it frame by frame. Quick but youve not shown the iniital, thats him coming it, not much quicker than Kain tbh, add Zants featless reaction time (so defaulted at nigh a second) and he will be slower than Kain to get a teleport off. Ofc its useless because Zants attacks and powers are slow, unlike Kain, and Kains got incredible durability, Zants got none. Therefore Zants attack is zero, his defence is zero, hencei t would be like a soldier getting the jump on a tank and slashing it with his bayonet...only to get mowed down by machineguns

Yes, less than a second, much better than the three seconds it takes for Kain to even begin his teleport, meaning that Zant can not only get his off first, he can attack while Kain is still preparing to teleport and is highly vulnerable. Since Kain has no reaction feats, he won't be able to anything while Zant removes his head or starts his transformation of the area or dropping of twilight, which Kain cannot stop while attempting his ridiculously slow teleport. Thus it is like a lightly armored tank being attacked by a jet plane saturation bombing the area.

1. Ofc it didnt cut deep enough lol, its Kain were talking about, you know the guy who most of Hyrule are going to lose most of their weapons to by breaking them against him?

Yeah, it didn't cut deep enough because Kain was dodging and it barely grazed his stomach. The wraith blade hasn't really cut anything, has it?Most of Hyrule can just sit back and watch as Midna impales Kain on her hair.

2. Its not and it does not have to be, weve been through this. Just like half of Kratos' powers, most of Dantes and probably if I had a look, a lot of Link and Ganondorfs....their still canon if their in the game.

But can't be used for feats, nor if they are contradicted by cutscenes, like the teleport is. I don't recall many people, much less myself, attempting to argue gameplay powers. After all, Kain has never canonically used it, or even acknowledged that this ability exists.

3. Zants shown no good reactions, therefore hes featless. Kain has shown speed against Moebius rising, Raziel jumping at him (Raziels no slouch and Kain snatches him from the air in SR 2 or tosses him aside and dodges reaver attacks in Defiance) and his best reaction feats are probably from the dimention port.

You serious?

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5:27, that's your big reaction feat? Raziel takes four seconds standing up, actually saying Kain's name, and only then does Kain react? Jeez, that's...pretty slow. And that dash (that's the feat?) is still much slower than Zant. As for the dimensional teleport? No. Raziel's jumping is also not as fast as you're hoping.

So all those videos are supposed to show me impressive Gorons? lol, it shows me a Goron protected inside an admittadly hot rock helpless and unable to free itself until link breaks/weakens it. Hardly impressive apart from sitting inside heated rock for so long.

Going from burning hot to freezing in such a short time can have some nasty effects. Rocks and such shattering is not unheard of, what with the pressure of rapid expansion and contraction. And, of course, those explosives bust stuff bigger than anything the Elder God is shown breaking. Getting launched from a volcano hurts, too, and being inside a rock just makes it worse. Magma expands when it cools, like most liquids, and that pressing against you can't be comfy. Nobody on LoK has the feats needed to even scrath Gorons.

2. Nah, ive shown you they shatter rocks, prob far more than Gorons and what I cant show you is the established canon that the EG resides within the "deep places of the world" and therefore he by default burrows through some of the densist rock on a planet, the inner planetary crust. Furthermore, whats obvious is that he burrows through tonnes of rock anyway which is more than Gorons who weigh at most 600 pounds.

No, the stuff the Elder God breaks isn't enough to even irritate a Goron. Now, I highly doubt the Elder God burrows, much less able to move at atll. If he's already everywhere he wouldn't need to. Also, "deep places" isn't enough to say he takes any kind of pressure or breaks anything dense. You have no way of knowing how deep he goes.
Where are you getting the 600 pounds figure from? That's the Heavy Boots absolute minimum, not related to Gorons at all.

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no specific time really, only 2 minutes and it gives you the whole fight. At vaying times the EG makes forcefields that Kain whos vastly stronger, more powerful, more magical than Gorons (and most of hyrule for that matter) cannot get through and you see Kain slicing away tentacles only for the EG to reform them and multiply.

K', that isn't working. There is no indication of either regeneration (prove they aren't different tentacles) or even multiplication (more tentacles) in that video. You can quite clearly see new tentacles shove some rocks out of the way when they come in. And I can see he still only uses a few tentacles at a time, so there's nothing for supposed thousands, either. He can't seem to keep the forcefield up when he's in pain, which is easy enough to cause. Also, gameplay.

3. lol, theres no feats that point to that. Based on feats their too small and weak therefore they wont hurt him, if they do their attacks will be like ant bites, and if they cut him he regenerates....or shields any areas he does not wnat them hitting before he tosses them or buries them. Goes for the whole of Hyrule when hes soloing it.

No, based on feats Elder God simply cannot harm any Goron, and enough of them will simply destroy him, causing enough pain to drop the shield and allow pretty much anyone to ruin his eyes. Since he can't seem to stand losing even one eye, he's a bit of a weakling all around.

4 walls, my defence is stronger!

When building a wall, it is important to patch up any holes, or anyone can get through.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Hey, latching is my thing. You have your reaching, I have latching, Quanchi has portrayal. That's my word now.

This made me lol.

Sorry, I forgot this even excisted, ok here we go. If it gets too long, we could concentrate on one aspect if you would prefer? e.g. strength, speed, reaction times, magic in one post. Then once we agree on it, move on to the others?

Originally posted by The Scenario

IF only they were picked, it would be easier to reply to. Betters? I know them, but they dont visit KMC 😄

No, magical light has shown to be able to remove darkness from the area. Therefore, this standard works with Lok as well. You claiming the source of power of their magical light is different to Lok sorcery is neither here, nor there.

How does having a resistance to it that normal twili do not have (not sure I have evidence of this) help her here?

I could have sworn youve claimed what Zant did to the soldiers "twilight" based on the fact twilight beasts were "apprently" spawned from them but regardless. Youve got your slow twilight that affects the realm and is too slow to be of use, or a predictable fog that normal soldiers can resist.

Prove he called the twilight to that area and that it did not re-apear after the light spirit was vanquished? the way I see it, is that that light spirit as you have said before is protecting the area from twilight that took a long cast time earlier on.

Ime saying twilight has been called already, your making the claim that twilight is "washed away" and needs to be re-cast to come back to a region. I dont see Zant casting anything however.

As I said, theres no "vampire killing" from the light spirits, as vampires are immune, hence Kain and his sons. only fledlings are killed by sunlight and ime not sure their even in the fight.

I would say jumping long distances, high speed and mind control are quantifiable. Apart from that, vampires as a race are as I have shown, stated by Umah to be superior to any human which is what Hyrule consists primarily of. Explain "twilight army", as I have not seen that term used in your vids, ive seen a few shadowy beasts, but thats all.

Defiance? Defiance covers BO1 and 2 era's iirc, therefore theres an army of vampires. Because its by the end of Defiance that young Kain refuses the sacrifce and forms his vampire armies.

We can standadise "superior to humans" based on Umahs statements on the vampires as a race.

How is that relevent? Midna being harmed by light spirit is not relevent.

Also youve seen the previous videos, where Raziel points out that only fledlings, e.g. child vampires are vulnerable to sunlight.

Hes been slashed across the chest many times by the wraith blade. Blood omen 1, repel shield has a function, not feat, its feat/function is reflecting spells.

Thats never stated that it only affects the living and pure...where does it say this? the field that covered a region warped entities together, so yes, it bends reality to some extent, fire does not rain from the skies either...so "reality" is blurred again. Its incredible that Kain can stand unharmed by a regional power that changed and warped both the living, inanimate AND weather....nothing in LoZ could survive this.

I never said it was permanent did I? no....I think the twilight, as others have said is just the "twilight realm" layer that Zant has called down. Theres no reason to claim Zant cast something or called it back when we dont see it happen.

😆 reaching...says the guy who is using one video that does not actually show a vampire being disintegrated in water in the time you belive Zant will kill a vampire in despite Raziel, actual canon and major plot events saying otherwise. "sigh"....water is like ACID to a vampire. Acid to a human does not burn them instantly to liquid...it takes time, time that would be multiplied on vampires to years (see Raziel) due to nigh instant regen.

Explain, and stop spamming "lolz instant twilightz!" despite evidence showing it takes nearly a whole minute. Either back up your claim of Zant casting the tiny area of twilight back (you cant, the vid doesnt show Zant casting anything) or backup that twilight is permanently removed when a light spirit is in an area. Also prove that light spirits dont stop Zant from casting twilight to the region.

Originally posted by The Scenario

Ah youve misread it, it says it takes time for their "predatory natures" to adapt to the spectoral realm....nothing about it taking time for wraiths. Light spirits cant seem to do anything other than stop Zant from casting any twilight lol...

No, already being evil and corrupted makes you immune to...becoming evil and corrupted. As you already are.

This reveals that the light spirits can seal twilight in physical form. I am aware that when the helmet is on her head, Midna has a lot of extra power, that does not prove it can harm Ganon when hes just holding the helmet.

Clearly not, because he did try, he did try and struggle it it did nothing to Kain who is vastly stronger.

It didnt hit his clothes and if it did, this does not discount Kain being immune to thousands of tonnes of pressure. They were not "grazing hits" because they never grazed or damaged Kain at all. Your avoiding this but your not going to succeed, Kains immune to LoZ damage lol.

wtf? resting his arm? and you said I was reaching earlier....two enemies, one bloodlusted with rage are just resting are they? what are you going to claim next that their about to bring out the tea and biscuits?

Zant cant kill Kain with a single ability, and hes not fast enough. Weve seen his teleport, its predictable and Kain can react at under 0.2, Zant has nothing.

I think you need to, if you think 100+ tonnes rests on top of the lava unless your claim is that their fighting on something thats hollow?

weight and gravity are still in effect when pushing. Only then your fighting against friction at the same time.

Is this all you can do? state "yes but hes putting more!", all hes doing is prodding it, all this "putting a bit" is nothing compared to Link struggling with audiable evidence with blocks he lifts. Raziel can send it sliding along with ease.

lmao, I think your trolling me now. Your claiming Raziel was not trying despite actually pushing on Kains hands and wriggling to get free...clearly he was.

Show me with screenshots and arrows where the wraith blade hit. Your claiming it hit his stomach, not his chest, which is irrelevant as the magic weapon weakened Kain either way.

Neither of those swords match the wraith blade or Raziels strength. Ok you just ignored evidence, its the soul reaver afterwards. how long the Blood reaver takes to absorb Raziel as a whole is irrelevant.

OR, any tker Breaks Midnas head against a rock and kills her instantly.

wtf? he takes a powerup by the looks of it and then he has to drill, using the stones growing from his back for a while....thats your feat? lol...

Not sure what your trying to prove with this vid, it looks to me like Gorons are rainign from the sky but their probably just rocks.

Youve not proven any durability at all...wheres the feats for this? surviving thousands of tonnes of presure?

Not a single LoZ character can kill him, so....thats that idea foiled, it seems your arguments are getting worse as it goes along. Youve gone from providing an argument and some evidence to simply stating "anyone to come kill him!" BS....and now your claiming that he cant use more than 4 tentacles because he only used 4 in this vid? its biologically viable so yes he can. Theres no reason to belive, suggest he cannot. The Kain vs EG fight where he regens tentacles instantly has been shown to death.

Originally posted by The Scenario

1 second, and what gesture exactly? in SR 1 he does not:

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Theres no indication that Kain "has to" put his reaver away.

Because you dont have any understanding of what a gameplay mechanic is, a regenerating bar that is a mechanic only seen in the gameplay is completly different to a power, weapon or ability characters can use in the game. Not every weapon or ability has to have a cutscene ot be canon however numerical values such as HP reductions based on strikes and charges on weapon use to limit players use of abilities need to have canon links. e.g. in DMC, Dantes DT is mentioned in the story and implied.

So your actually implying most of Kratos, Dantes powers and anything not in a cutscene in not canon to a game? 😆

yeh, a Kain greatly weakened and damaged. An actual FMV as shown has Kain getting slashed and not damaged at all.

No its not, the MS has sat untouched through periods in the games inside temples (temples of time iirc) where Link has to pick it up. It has a lot of periods where its just sitting doing nothing. Show me the MS slicing through something proven to be physically durable please. The MS afaik is not part of an immutable timeline and be faced with destroying itself either...

Link will be lucky if he can murder a normal vampire. Also your adding seconds to teleports that have been counted by several people on the forum to be in just a second range. Not 3 seconds.

Its not faster at all, its not faster than a couple of arrows in his chest, its not faster than a single energy attack killing him. Its not faster than any teleport, its slow and useless besides.

Basedon feats, a light arrow can at best stun Ganon lol....who is far less durable than Kain or higher vmapires. other than that, its featless. Zants not fast, his teleports are decent but if hes going to be teleporting constantly then hes not going to be fighting, then hes as good as dead. As soon as he stops, any number of soldiers could kill him, his reactions are featless as well so hes not going to be able to react/teleport to any weapons.

Latching, reaching and now spamming random points seem to be your thing...

lol no they dont, because neither have evidence that they can be touched, infected or htat the powers of those items affect them. Youve yet to show Ganon holding a piece of the shadows, only the full helmet which did nothing.

Practically instant? when were you counting from? those piecies spiraled her for seconds without end, not sure when it started. Then had to attach to her, this is a long time when your facing LoK teleporters and Tkers who would simply steal all the piecies lol with TK..

It is a canon outline better than a feat that can be argued/picked apart. You cant argue against a canon statement/description. They have a function, why would I show it affecting something above a normal human when until they show feats, all LoZ characters are below/equel to a normal human in resistance to it? they have no defence.

Thats not the canon description, your reading the "Dark Chronicle" view of its function within the gameplay.

yeh, gameplay mechanics again? 🙄 your getting boring with trolling.

😆 so now your claiming that Zant would be unstoppable if only he was not insane to cover the tracks and BS behind your "reality/creation" feats you claim. Despite no evidence saying he can create/warp anything as he wishes....this is getting ridiculous again.

I dont know what it is, its a cutscene showing it floating in front of him. It could originate from the object itself but Links not touching it.

Clearly not, because then she would be levitating her tiny poundage of weight into the sky....shes using TK that has the potential to lift tonnes to lift her weight with only a portion of it. Because shes using the proportional TK to lift her wieght.

Originally posted by The Scenario

Clearly not otherwise he would not react fast enough during the dimentionalt teleport to attack between the 0.2 seconds he has. That and reacting to moebius/Raziel getting up. Yeh your ignoring durability and speed evidence "sigh".

No your argueing against revived by the EG Raziel, canon statements of how water affects vampires and I am looking at one vampire burning in acid, not dissolving.

Impossible, he could not have missed the ledge as it was right beneath where his tentacles came through 🙄 reaching again...

Yes because Raziels shown the ability and used it to retract his claws as his slashed and hit Kain...oh wait no he didnt...

No its not lol, a soldie in armour is extremely heavy, Midnas a few pounds at most.

Deserves to be ignored? imo most of your recent posts deserve to be ignored. Almost as if my unbreakable wall of arguments has toppled your resolve so that you simply make lazy posts and remarks such as "they will beats them!" or "it will be unaffective!" or something along those lines.

All of those things are faster than zero, which is Zants reaction time...a mad luntatic who prob would not even think of threats anyway so your talking BS and outside of canon by trying to claim Zant is thinking strategically and with sharpness as he dies from a random arrow...

No it does not, being inside a rock protects him from the damage as the rock takes the hit. The Goron inside was stuck helpless until freed, simple fact. The only impressive thing was taking that much heat. So good job, youve proven fire skills may not be so effective against them. Gorons get killed by normal vampires, unless Quanchi gives the Gorons a shield of rock to get stuck within to protect them, in which case Kain slices through and kills them.

Ofc its related, because Dangoro cant move 600 pounds with his full weight. Therefore, normal Gorons have to be lighter. Deep places of hte world is pretty clear.

Different tentacles in exactly the same place where the last ones connected to the EG? if your claiming that he can somehow call tentacles from across his vast form to any spot then thats as good as. Same with multiplying, if he can multiply as shown then he wouldnt rly even need to regen. Your reaching nad wasting time again, its no wonder these posts are so long with all the repeats i have to make from you ignoring evidence.

based on feats, EG cannot harm gorons if he was using heat, other than that their helpless to break out of rock and have no feats thus far of durability. They get crumbled into dust. Enough pain to drop the shield? what makes you think they can even damage tentacles that can break through tonnes of rock like paper? when they cant even break from small stone despite it being weakend and heated...?

Well thats you doomed then, you must be using extremely pourous rocks that are all the same... (all your arguments are repeats of previous or lazy spam).

I usually add different argumetns to my posts hence why this one is smaller but since I am just having to repeat myself over and over (this is now becoming a squable rather than debate until Scenario actually counters) I didnt bother. Should be easier to reply to...

Hey look, some masochist bumped a thread where his favourite franchise gets roflstomped.

Haven't seen you in a while, mate.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Hey look, some masochist bumped a thread where his favourite franchise gets roflstomped.

Wrong, because you did not bump it...I did silly 😉 but yes, LoZ gets "roflstomped"

Originally posted by Burning thought
Wrong, because you did not bump it...I did silly 😉 but yes, LoZ gets "roflstomped"

So, in summary, you're extremely dense.

But nah, Ganondorf soloes, as has been established on the 76 prior pages.

haha, in your fanon only baby, in your fanon only. In truth ofc, he gets killed by lesser LoK characters while Kain and his lackies relax.