Teleporters versus the Jedi....

Started by Rogue Jedi6 pages
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
TK freeze? Shown in the movies?

Dooku did with what Kenobi whatever he damn well pleased, including hoisting hi up in mid-air. Did Yoda not lift an X-Wing?

That was a force hold, that's all. XI and the others can just teleport out of it.

prove your TK'ers can telekinetic jump out of a force hold. (example from a movie please)

Why wouldn't they be able to? The onl thing that kept Griffin and Rice from jumping was the electric harpoons, or being trapped like Griffin was in the fallen electrical tower. NC? Jean Grey kept him from TPing to her using her immense TK, nothing ever stopped Wraith. Well, except for Victor clutching his spine. nothing was ever shown stopping XI.

Prove the Jedi can hold them in place, example from a SW movie where they held a teleporter in place.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Prove the Jedi can hold them in place, example from a SW movie where they held a teleporter in place.

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Agreed on nothing a Jedi can do can stop a teleporter from TPing

Uhhhhhhhh no they cannot.

What then

Hmm?

Nightcrawler was unable to teleport out of Jean's hold in X2 iirc. Boom, precident.

yeah, I already considered that. She wasn't really Jean Grey at that moment, she was more Dark Phoenix than anything else. DP's TK was on a level that a Jedi can only dream of, dude. She was TKing that big ass wave, lifting the X Jet, and keeping Nightcrawler from jumping TO her, all at the same time. You tell me, when has a Jedi performed a TK feat that comes close to that? Never.

Nothing implied that he was unable to jump at all, just TO her.

Actually I was talking about in the church, but thanks for backing it up thus proving TK can stop him.

She was suspending him in midair, man, he wasn't trying to jump.

Besides, that was just NC, and again, no Jedi has TK on the level that Jean had.

so in other words: Nightcrawler was NEVER able to make a jump when someone had a TK hold on him. Being able to do so would be unprecedented then...and is something that wasn't shown on film. Is that what you are saying?

EDIT: Regardless however you want to spin that part however, precog is going to own the jumpers. They will be doing a lot of appearing on Jedi Blades. Well, maybe not a LOT of, once each.

NC was never able to jump when someone of Jean Grey's caliber had a TK hold on him. And it was only towards her, it was like she put up a TK wall that he could not jump to her through.

XI, Wraith, Rice and Griffin were never shown being TK held and kept from jumping, therefore it will not work on them.

NightCrawler could jump out of a Telekinetic hold whenever he wants.
Telepathic hold would stop him in his tracks which Jean was also capable of.
Jedi Force holds would'nt stop any of these teleporters.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yeah, I already considered that. She wasn't really Jean Grey at that moment, she was more Dark Phoenix than anything else. DP's TK was on a level that a Jedi can only dream of, dude. She was TKing that big ass wave, lifting the X Jet, and keeping Nightcrawler from jumping TO her, all at the same time. You tell me, when has a Jedi performed a TK feat that comes close to that? Never.

Nothing implied that he was unable to jump at all, just TO her.

That WAS Dark Phoenix doing that, you're correct.

No Jedi comes close to her ability in TK.

You're right.

However, she was doing all of that and preventing NC from jumping, so, yeah, that doesn't prove that it only takes a little bit of force, it only proces that that was just another drop in the HUGE bucket of DP's TK abilities.

It doesn't prove or disprove that a Jedi could not prevent a jumper from jumping: only thing it does is indicate that in another universe, a teleporter could not teleport when DP was laying the smack down. We don't even know if she was preventing that jump with her TK, BTW. It could have been another ability in her power-set.

Anywho...

I'm thinking that the Jedi have far-seeing. They'll see the attack coming, many days to months in advance, setup the temple with sentry guns that have bio-signatures for everyone that is authorized. As soon as a teleporter teleports in, they become swiss cheese. No action from the Jedi necessary.

If I recall correctly, as NC tried to TP to her, he said, and I quote, "She's blocking me." Dunno if that helps.

Re: Teleporters versus the Jedi....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The following teleporters must attempt to infiltrate the Jedi temple and kill every Jedi inside:

Nightcrawler, armed with a sword and daggers.

Weapon XI, armed with his twin adamantium swords.

John Wraith, armed with a machine gun and a pistol, also a few grenades.

Griffin (Jumper), armed with whatever he wants (He starts pt with the flamethrower, but can jump away anywhere to rearm.)

Rice Bowl (Jumper), same as Griffin.

They attack as the Jedi council is having a session. The Jedi are all the Jedi shown in Episodes 1-3.

Do the teleporters succeed, or do the Jedi maintain?

Backup has arrived.

Teleporters have a damn good chance.

Most of the Jedi are pretty nooby, I mean Anakin himself took the temple by himself. I guess you could say they were also overwhelmed by Clone Troopers (there really weren't that many), but Blasters are just shit compared to modern Earth firearms. Rate of fire is waaaay faster than a blaster, for a Jedi to deflect the bullets, they would need to move their limbs fast like Matrix style, which they obviously can't. So Wraith boy ports in at mid/long range and guns them down and ports away further if they close in on him. I'd rather Wraith gave his guns to NC though since NC can TP and manuever high in mid-air, so theres no way the Jedi would reach him.

NC will just do his thing. He could probably take down most of the nooby Jedi's. He might die if he tries to take on the few elite on the council.

Griffin and Rice Bowl also become a devastating force. One of the weaknesses of Jedi are definitely flamethrowers since they can't be deflected. Simply nothing the Jedi can do to them, if some manage to run in closer, they just TP to gain more distance and continue.

I left Deadpool last cause he would just freaking own. Optic Blast anyone? Just do a quick 360 degree scan around the room and its over. And if you guys want to pretend they will all be able to deflect the blast, well Deadpool can just blast at the temple's structure and take the whole building down like Cyclops did to the school, or like how his servered head took that building down at the end.

Damn Kick-Ass is an awesome film.

Over and Out.

Wraith would wreak havoc too, with his full auto rifle and grenades.

You don't think Wraith can TP in the air like NC?