Originally posted by Placidity
No Jedi has ever used force grip.. [/B]
I believe this is what you said. Whether or not Luke is a part of this fight, you were incorrect.
RJ:
What do you mean Precog is imperfect? That's fine and dandy for you to say the most effective way of dealing with Teleporters is "imperfect" and leaving it at that, but if that is your way of avoiding it, a simple guess killed this guy dead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v64pll9BtjA
And predicting his next move got Deadpool stabbed at 3:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r74xSPZH8R4&feature=related
Without Regeneration, that would have been enough to kill him.
Though I agree about teleportation.
I agree. If I had one power, that would be it, even before using the force.
Originally posted by truejediShall I list the instances in the six SW movies where precog failed miserably?
I believe this is what you said. Whether or not Luke is a part of this fight, you were incorrect.RJ:
What do you mean Precog is imperfect? That's fine and dandy for you to say the most effective way of dealing with Teleporters is "imperfect" and leaving it at that, but if that is your way of avoiding it, a simple guess killed this guy dead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v64pll9BtjA
And predicting his next move got Deadpool stabbed at 3:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r74xSPZH8R4&feature=relatedWithout Regeneration, that would have been enough to kill him.
Though I agree about teleportation.
I agree. If I had one power, that would be it, even before using the force.
If you like. Then, of course, you will prove the Jedi at the time were USING said precog. (Naturally, you wouldn't want to put one without the other, would you?)
Though I'm surprised you aren't just taking the attitude: Nobody actually mentions precog in the movies, so you can't prove it even exists route, which would be annoying, but effective in this rather limited forum you have here.
Also: Are you literally always online? I looked at your post count, and it was pretty amazing for someone who joined not that long before I did.
Originally posted by truejedi
If you like. Then, of course, you will prove the Jedi at the time were USING said precog. (Naturally, you wouldn't want to put one without the other, would you?)Though I'm surprised you aren't just taking the attitude: Nobody actually mentions precog in the movies, so you can't prove it even exists route, which would be annoying, but effective in this rather limited forum you have here.
Also: Are you literally always online? I looked at your post count, and it was pretty amazing for someone who joined not that long before I did.
Right off the top of my head? Why did Vader not sense the Millenium Falcon blitzing him at the battle of Yavin? There are really too many to talk about.
The Jedi do not "use" precog, it comes naturally for them. It's not like they can turn it on or off.
What else would you call it?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/precognition
pre·cog·ni·tion
   /ˌprikɒgˈnɪʃən/ Show Spelled[pree-kog-nish-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
knowledge of a future event or situation, esp. through extrasensory means.
I work nights, slow shift, have for years. I get alot of free time on my hands at work.
I honestly don't think the teleporters have much of a chance unless they do things like teleport massive blocks of material into the temple so people are fatally fused with it. Or do like Griffin and teleport vehicles into the temple.
Also, I think Jean Grey stopping Nightcrawler was more attributed to either her telepathy disabling his ability to use his powers or having the telekinetic power to prevent his portal from opening, not just levitating him.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Prove that nothing can teleport out of a force grip. I a openly challenging you to prove it with SCREEN FEATS.
Prove that they can teleport out of a force grip. I openly challenge you to prove it with SCREEN FEATS. 😆
That's a slippery slope and those arguments suck. Avoid those.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove that they can teleport out of a force grip. I openly challenge you to prove it with SCREEN FEATS. 😆That's a slippery slope and those arguments suck. Avoid those.
Teleporters just think and they disappear.
Telekinesis holding or squeezing a part or all of your body won't change this.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Telekinesis holding or squeezing a part or all of your body won't change this.
Maybe...but how do you know?
We do know that when a Wizard is "knocked back" with a spell or a physical object, they don't "teleport" until they are done flying or at least gain control of their flight.
We don't know what mechanism affected NC, but we do know that Phoenix was applying lots of TK. Could be that TK prevents teleporting.
We don't know for sure how TK affects teleporting very well. We can only go with what the thread starter wants. We have slight evidence that TK COULD affect teleporting.
Originally posted by dadudemonWhen did this happen in the HP movies?
Maybe...but how do you know?We do know that when a Wizard is "knocked back" with a spell or a physical object, they don't "teleport" until they are done flying or at least gain control of their flight.[/i]
[b]We don't know what mechanism affected NC, but we do know that Phoenix was applying lots of TK. Could be that TK prevents teleporting."She's blocking me"....Means she was preventing him from TPing TP her, that's all.We don't know for sure how TK affects teleporting very well. We can only go with what the thread starter wants. We have slight evidence that TK COULD affect teleporting.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
When did this happen in the HP movies?
You need to prove that the Wizards can apparate when being knocked back, not the other way around. I'm claiming that anytime a wizard is knocked back, spell or physical force, they don't apparate or cast a spell until they regain their control or get up.
Prove that I'm wrong but citing an example that contradicts that. Until then, I cite every single fight that that happens in.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
"She's blocking me"....Means she was preventing him from TPing TP her, that's all.
"She's blocking me..." could also mean that she was using TK to...you know..."block" him. 😬
Originally posted by dadudemon
"She's blocking me..." could also mean that she was using TK to...you know..."block" him. 😬
Jean was a powerful telepath.
Telepathy can stop a Teleporter from TPing because she assualted NC's mind.
A similar thing happened in Xmen issue 3 when a man known as the Vanisher was stopped by Xavier stopping his mind from being able to TP.
Jean just mentally stopped Kurt from TPing while holding him Telekinetically.
Basic comic book philosophy.
TK affects the physical.
Telepathy the mind.
Think it through my friend. 🙂
Originally posted by the ninjak
Jean just mentally stopped Kurt from TPing while holding him Telekinetically.
I agree and disagree. There's no way to know that, for sure. She might have, or she might not have. If you read in the thread, or in another thread (they are starting to blur together), I explored all of these points already.
Originally posted by dadudemonNo, you made the claim that wizards cannot apparate while being TK'd, you need to prove it, that's how ti works. None of this "just cuz" shit.
You need to prove that the Wizards can apparate when being knocked back, not the other way around. I'm claiming that anytime a wizard is knocked back, spell or physical force, they don't apparate or cast a spell until they regain their control or get up.Prove that I'm wrong but citing an example that contradicts that. Until then, I cite every single fight that that happens in.
"She's blocking me..." could also mean that she was using TK to...you know..."block" him. 😬
Blocking, like blocking a linebacker from getting to the QB. NC coulda still TP'd to the bathroom.
Apparating is a magical form of teleporting.
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Apparition
Apparition is a magical method of transportation, and is basically magical teleportation, having the user focus on a desired location in their mind, then disappear from their current location and instantly reappear at their desired location.
They think it, then they apparate. Why would they not be able to think while in motion (being knocked back, free falling, etc)?
I can name several instances in movies where a teleporter was in a free fall (which is the same as being knocked back, except they are moving downwards instead of backwards) and they TP'd out of it.
What do you think half apparating is? It's apparating over and over and over whilst in motion.
A wizard thinks where they wanna go, and they apparate there. Nothing stops them. The only thing that stops apparition is an anti-apparition charm, end of discussion.
Originally posted by Placidity
You're right here (I just didn't word what I meant properly, but w/e), but my point stands, and your original arguments have been destroyed.
Not at all in fact. The Jedi are going to use their pre-cog to win this fight. That or these TP'ers can't escape a force hold.
Since it is RJ's thread, and he says they can escape it, I guess they can, though he should have addressed that in the OP.
There have been no examples given from a single movie of anyone ever teleporting out of a force grip.
It is RJ's opinion that Jean was controlling his mind, it is my opinion that she was controlling his body.
Pure speculation. troublesome.
You should reconsider this forum a bit I think. If you could read say, an Xmen novel, and count it as evidence, you could settle that part of the argument. Instead, in this forum, EVERYTHING you see onscreen can be interpreted in multiple ways. For instance, some might say Yoda was crushing Dooku, others might say Dooku and Yoda fought a pretty good duel (with just the film). The novels make it clear that Dooku was fighting for his life, and never had a chance to beat Yoda. Without them, a thread on that fight becomes one great big NO U argument, since 2 people don't agree on what they saw.
I've noticed almost every thread I've seen on this forum so far has been that way. No way to win them, and everyone just keeps repeating themselves, because no one has really been proven wrong, they have just been presented with a different opinion of what is most important onscreen.