Teleporters versus the Jedi....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They can, they just never do.

No they can't.

NC can do it because of his anatomy and enhanced agility.

Deadpool can do it, but not to the same degree because of his enhanced human stats and ninja fighting abilities.

The Jumpers and Wraith are just normal humans with teleportation (with no combat training mind you).

Edit: I shouldn't say they 'can't' because it would mean its an impossibility for them. Rather I should say with their current training and experience, they cannot do it effectively. And even with training, they would not be able to reach NC's level.

Originally posted by dadudemon

However, movie version of Phoenix didn't even come close to the mass that Galen moved. 313 That Star Destroyer was quite huge.

I'm pretty sure the ship was coming down anyway, he just directed its direction.

Size doesn't always mean everything. DP in the film ripped people (lots of them at the same time) apart at the molecular level effortlessly, how would you compare that?

I'd say we haven't even seen her high end feats since at no point does she ever show like she is straining to do anything, except when Xavier attempted to mind-rape her.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And all can jump/TP when knocked back, or when in a force choke.

Thanks for playing.

Prove it. 🙂

Originally posted by Placidity
I'm pretty sure the ship was coming down anyway, he just directed its direction.

Size doesn't always mean everything. DP in the film ripped people (lots of them at the same time) apart at the molecular level [b]effortlessly, how would you compare that?

I'd say we haven't even seen her high end feats since at no point does she ever show like she is straining to do anything, except when Xavier attempted to mind-rape her. [/B]

The scale/mass of that Star Destroyer was literally hundreds of times greater than anything Phoenix did.

Also, it was trying to escape Galen Marek, with Thrusters, it wasn't already coming down. That would put it at an even greater force.

Also, Phoenix seemed to struggle with the lake, NC, and the X-Jet. The mass, while quite huge, was not on scale with a Star Destroyer trying to use thrusters to escape Galen Marek.

Futile discussion because it is an EU character. 🙁

Originally posted by dadudemon
The scale/mass of that Star Destroyer was literally hundreds of times greater than anything Phoenix did.

Also, it was trying to escape Galen Marek, with Thrusters, it wasn't already coming down. That would put it at an even greater force.

Also, Phoenix seemed to struggle with the lake, NC, and the X-Jet. The mass, while quite huge, was not on scale with a Star Destroyer trying to use thrusters to escape Galen Marek.

Futile discussion because it is an EU character. 🙁

Okay, you are right, I was thinking about the first instance in which he took down a Star Destroyer. The second time, the ship wasn't coming down. But it took him a really long time and great effort to do it, so I would say he was approaching his limit.

I don't think you read my previous post. Size isn't the definitive measure of TK power. TK power is more accurately measured by being to overcome forces. For Galen, that would be the thrusters like you said (although to me it doesn't look like the thrusters were used to escape, the ship was still facing Galen). DP ripped molecules apart instantly and effortlessly. She could pretty much literally destroy every thing around her without effort. Galen can't do that.

Also in the alternative scenes she was shown to transmute matter, meaning she can over come nuclear forces and rearrange matter at the subatomic level. Only the most powerful TK users can do that, i.e DP, Dr Manhattan. As far as I can tell its the ultimate level of TK - to be able to rearrange matter as you see fit. If DP was in the same position as Galen, she'd just rip the ship up at the molecular level, she has proven she can do this effortlessly. What is unknown, is how quickly she'd be able to do it to something that big. That would be pure speculation. But she certainly wouldn't do any worse than Galen.

Struggling at the lake and X-jet was Jean Grey. DP was surfacing, but it was not DP yet. At the start of X3, DP pretty much lifted up the mass of water of the whole lake. When Wolvie and Storm arrived there was no water left. She also lifted the whole Alcatraz prison along with large masses of water around the island. She does all of these feats pretty casually.

Lets just say if Movie DP fought with Galen, he'd die instantly.

Lulz at 6 pages for this. Jedi in a stomp, even ignoring feats outside the movies (which makes it a bigger stomp).

Originally posted by Digi
Lulz at 6 pages for this. Jedi in a stomp, even ignoring feats outside the movies (which makes it a bigger stomp).

Whats a Jedi going to do when being shot at by an assault rifle at long range?

YouTube video

This kinda reminds me of "I dream Genie." If Jean fought someone of Yoda's or Anakin's power, much Galen, she'd lose. Let's take Galen, Galen defeated Vader who was much stronger than him in the Force. Although Vader was in the body armor, Galen was the superior and kicked his ass. About the shot at long range, a Master can stop it in it's tracks. Danger sense is one of the abilities that a Jedi wields. Jorus C'Boath stopped a missile fired by a terrorist in Outbound Flight with TK alone.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
This kinda reminds me of "I dream Genie." If Jean fought someone of Yoda's or Anakin's power, much Galen, she'd lose. Let's take Galen, Galen defeated Vader who was much stronger than him in the Force. Although Vader was in the body armor, Galen was the superior and kicked his ass.

Um, the Jean talk between me and DDM was just a side discussion. And we were talking about Dark Phoenix, who would disintegrate the whole Jedi Council, Vader, Galen, and whoever you want, instantly.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
About the shot at long range, a Master can stop it in it's tracks. Danger sense is one of the abilities that a Jedi wields. Jorus C'Boath stopped a missile fired by a terrorist in Outbound Flight with TK alone.

Um no. I think you still don't get it. You must unlearn everything you know about SW. Only film feats are allowed here. If you want to discuss a topic but with all this other stuff you are using to debate, then do so in the SW section.

Forum rules, people.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove it. 🙂

Originally posted by Placidity
No they can't.

NC can do it because of his anatomy and enhanced agility.

Deadpool can do it, but not to the same degree because of his enhanced human stats and ninja fighting abilities.

The Jumpers and Wraith are just normal humans with teleportation (with no combat training mind you).

Edit: I shouldn't say they 'can't' because it would mean its an impossibility for them. Rather I should say with their current training and experience, they cannot do it effectively. And even with training, they would not be able to reach NC's level.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove it. 🙂

The vid from Jumper shows that David and Griffin can jump while being knocked back.

NC and XI not being able to TP while being knocked back? lulz infinity at that.

Wraith? Can't "prove" it with him, but the only thing that was shown onscreen keeping him from teleporting was Victor gripping his spine.