Classic Mangog vs. Tyrant (depowered)

Originally posted by the Darkone
YOu are doing what you accuses Onedumbgo and Horrifiuc of doing, your the cheer leader.

DP Tyrant is not Galactus equal at all, he isn't even on the same level when he battled Galactus and was stripped of his powers, so what makes you think that, even by his own words Tyrant didn't want to battle Galactus. DP Tyrant at best mid Sky father level , as where Classic Mangog was at top tier in power and might, it took Odin death too beat him. There is more proof that Classic Mangog is too much for DP Tyrant, Classic Mangog is the PC Validus of the Marvel universe.

No. I accused you of being the cheerleader. How can I be a cheerleader when I taking an opposite stance from them? This misinterpretation shows me that your response isn't even worth responding to.

Not to mention the fact that Tyrant basically told Galactus he's through conversating & to get the phuck out of his fortress in the last scan. Conversation over. Those are the "words" you should be paying attention to.

Originally posted by the Darkone
This statement alone down grades DP Tyrant status supposedly equal to Galactus which is not true!!

False!

You are acting as if that was the last scan in the series of scans posted. It's not. The follow up was "DP" Tyrant all but DARING Galactus to attack and Galactus backed down. Galactus was punked. In the very last scan, he (the writer) makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR. The Surfer who was conscious during the conversation between Tyrant and Galactus says "Galactus, it's not in your nature to APPEASE your foes". Do you get it now?

PS :

If Tyrant really was "DP" how then do you explain the fact that Galactus not only backed down but didn't initiate hostilities, despite the fact that he wanted his herald back? If Galactus really beat "FP" Tyrant, surely he could wipe the floor with "DP" Tyrant and get his herald back but he didn't. He didn't even try.

ON PANEL, Tyrant tells Galactus that he's gained his power back and if he has to withstand a challenge from him (Galactus), he's more than able to. This was all but confirmed on panel when it was Galactus that left empty handed. If Tyrant really was "DP" the outcome would have been FAR different.

Originally posted by zopzop
Let me get this straight :

Galactus, in a rage, goes after his herald (scan provided)
Finds and takes Tyrant by surprise (scan provided)
Tyrant admits he needs to retreat and asks to be let go and to take one hostage as a power source (scan provided but hopefully we can deflect from it, durdur)
Demands his herald back lest there be war between them (scan provided)
Leaves without his herald despite all his threats (scan provided)

Originally posted by zopzop
How the F#$K is that not a punking?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That underlined part is important. Your unwillingness to present all of the context present in that scene disproves whatever worth that scene may have had concerning DP Tyrant's place in the cosmic hierarchy.

The VERY NEXT page was Tyrant DARING Galactus to attack and what happened? What happened ODG? That even the Surfer had to call out Galactus on it?

Don't move the goalposts. That non-feat by DP Tyrant does almost nothing to raise him to Galactus' stature. Adam Warlock "punked" Galactus far worse in Infinity Gauntlet. Again, that you won't even admit this once again disproves the reliability of this non-feat as a rallying point for posters who try to argue that DP Tyrant was just beneath Galactus' power level. DP Tyrant has no independent feats proving he is just beneath Galactus' level in power. DP Tyrant agreeing to run away with one hostage certainly does not prove it.

The very fact that Galactus was in a rage and demanding his herald back yet left empty handed, he even said, I care not what happens to the others, I want my herald back lest there be war between us. He left empty handed and didn't even think of initiating hostilities.

If as you and others are arguing, that "DP" Tyrant wasn't Galactus' peer, why didn't Galactus just TAKE his fuggin' herald from "DP" Tyrant? I mean Galactus beat "FP" Tyrant right? Why settle into an uneasy truce with someone supposedly WEAKER than the guy you beat eons ago?

And then there's that scan of Galactus telling Morg to "go find a suitable world, I will need all my strength against such a foe (referring to "DP" Tyrant).

Warlock punked Galactus worse during the IG affair?! OMG. Whatever.

Originally posted by zopzop

The VERY NEXT page was Tyrant DARING Galactus to attack and what happened? What happened ODG? That even the Surfer had to call out Galactus on it?

The very fact that Galactus was in a rage and demanding his herald back yet left empty handed, he even said, I care not what happens to the others, I want my herald back lest there be war between us. He left empty handed and didn't even think of initiating hostilities.

If as you and others are arguing, that "DP" Tyrant wasn't Galactus' peer, why didn't Galactus just TAKE his fuggin' herald from "DP" Tyrant? I mean Galactus beat "FP" Tyrant right? Why settle into an uneasy truce with someone supposedly WEAKER than the guy you beat eons ago?

And then there's that scan of Galactus telling Morg to "go find a suitable world, I will need all my strength against such a foe (referring to "DP" Tyrant).

Warlock punked Galactus worse during the IG affair?! OMG. Whatever. [/B]

Originally posted by Horrificus
You need to go back and read those scans again.
You are ignoring some very important details and statements.
Before I point these things out, I want to see if there is any chance of you looking at them and coming back here with ANY concessions at all. Because, it seems like you are literally skipping over anything you don't like! 😆
Tyrant and Galactus both make statements that go against your arguments and support ours.
Will you at least admit that?

Admit what? That the previous issue had Galactus go off on a rage looking for his lost herald. He finds his lost herald in the hands of his foe. The foe is taken completely by surprise and admitted that he didn't want to face off against Galactus now but he also says that if he has to field a challenge from Galactus he's more than able.

Galactus admits that a fight isn't what he's after either, just his herald, he doesn't care what Tyrant does with the others. Tyrant defies Galactus and says he's only keeping his herald. Galactus demands his herald back and says if he's not returned it would be war between them. Tyrant defies him and Galactus backs down.

The Silver Surfer was conscious throughout this exchange and wonders why Galactus "appeased" his foe. Galactus ADMITS that he put off a "COSTLY confrontation".

Galactus HIMSELF admits confronting "DP" Tyrant would be "costly". A few questions, if "DP" Tyrant wasn't Galactus' peer power wise :
a) Why didn't he just take his damn herald by FORCE, didn't he beat "FP" Tyrant? Shouldn't "DP" Tyrant be a cake walk?
b) Why does the Silver Surfer ask Galactus (and Galactus admits to it by his very answer) why he appeased his foe? If, as some argue, "DP" Tyrant didn't punk Galactus?
c) Why does Galactus admit to the Silver Surfer that he put off "a costly confrontation" if "DP" Tyrant wasn't his peer power wise? I mean if he wasn't in Galactus' league power wise, shouldn't Galactus have been able to steamroll over "DP" Tyrant?

You are basing your opinion on ONE scan in the series of scans (and not even the final one). The final scan says all that's needed to be said regarding their first encounter since his return from exile.

#1- Galactus just trashed Tyrants house. No reprisal from Tyrant.
#2 and #3- Galactus kicked Tyrant’s butt out of town, figured he was dead and never gave it a second thought.
#4- Tyrant admits that he was beaten badly and frankly, he’s a little hurt from it, with some resentments.
#5- Galactus states that the welfare of the universe is important to him and Tyrant threatened that welfare. It was nothing personal.
#6- Galactus tells Tyrant that a battle will be a losing situation for Tyrant. Tyrant does not disagree, he simply tells Galactus how strong he is.
#7- Tyrant states that he is at the height of his power. But, he does not attack Galactus. He tells Galactus that he just wants his Empire back. If he is as powerful as Galactus, why doesn’t he attack? Why does he tell Galactus that he just wants to rebuild his empire? Probably, because it would not be good for him.
#8- Galactus says, I don’t want trouble, but if you want some, here it is.
#9- Galactus shows that Morg is one of the only 2 things he cares about at the moment. That’s all he wants. Galactus does not care about the empire rebuilding, or whatever else is going on.
#10- Tyrant asks if Galactus cares about him retaking his empire. Galactus says no.
#11- Galactus reminds Tyrant of the destruction that would take place if they fight. Again, showing that Galactus is motivated by the well-being of the universe he dwells in.
#12- Tyrant sees that it is a no-win for him.
#13- Tyrant admits he was not ready for Galactus AND admits he is retreating.
#14- Asks Galactus if he can leave without trouble.
#15- Asks if he can keep one of the captive heralds, needing power. Why?
#16- Tyrant wants the only herald that Galactus cares about.
#17- Galactus shows that Morg is important to him.
#18- Tyrant uses Morg as a hostage. Plain and simple. Stating, not that he will defeat Galactus he he does not leave. No. He threatens Morg if Galactus does not leave. That is a HOSTAGE and Morg is leverage against Galactus. Tyrant has created a stalemate.
#19- Galactus states that he sacrificed Morg to avoid a “costly delay”. The only other thing Galactus cared about, beside Morg, was the health of the universe. He had to place that above his herald. Also, Galactus has shown absolutely no “personal” interest in the outcome of a possible battle. He shows no interest in posturing, does no seem threatened, ever. He merely shows interest in the possibilities of universal destruction and the loss of Morg.

Conclusion:
Tyrant gets away, after posing a threat to Morg and the health of the universe, holding them both hostage.
NOT by posing a threat to Galactus. Galactus sees Tyrant as an infestation that would harm 2 of the few things he values.

It ends with Galactus watching Tyrant leave, as he looks down through the big hole he just blasted into Tyrants fortress.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Conclusion:
Tyrant gets away, after posing a threat to Morg and the health of the universe, holding them both hostage.
NOT by posing a threat to Galactus. Galactus sees Tyrant as an infestation that would harm 2 of the few things he values.

It ends with Galactus watching Tyrant leave, as he looks down through the big hole he just blasted into Tyrants fortress.

FAIL. Complete FAIL.

What was the catalyst and reason that Galactus even ran into "DP" Tyrant?

Yet he walked away with his tail between his legs and was even called out on it by the Surfer. No amount of verbal gymnastics by you or anyone else will change that fact.

Galactus went after his herald, runs into and takes Tyrant by surprise, demands his herald back lest there be war, walks away empty handed. Surfer witnesses this and calls Galactus out on his "appeasement" of a foe. If as you say, he wasn't Galactus' peer, why did Galactus walk away WITHOUT his herald? Why not blast the sh|t out of "DP" Tyrant and just TAKE your herald?

The fact that you can't answer that question speaks volumes.

"FAIL. Complete FAIL."? Jeez. For a guy that ignored all the different details I addressed and was only able to come back with one weak argument for one scan, don't you think you are stretching it a bit?
Complete FAIL? Hilarious.

Originally posted by zopzop
FAIL. Complete FAIL.

What was the catalyst and reason that Galactus even ran into "DP" Tyrant?

Yet he walked away with his tail between his legs and was even called out on it by the Surfer. No amount of verbal gymnastics by you or anyone else will change that fact.

Galactus went after his herald, runs into and takes Tyrant by surprise, demands his herald back lest there be war, walks away empty handed. Surfer witnesses this and calls Galactus out on his "appeasement" of a foe. If as you say, he wasn't Galactus' peer, why did Galactus walk away WITHOUT his herald? Why not blast the sh|t out of "DP" Tyrant and just TAKE your herald?

The fact that you can't answer that question speaks volumes.

Next, even though Galactus blew a hole in the fortress, calling Tyrant out, you claim Galactus fears him.

Hey, way to ignore almost EVERY point I make. 💃
As in any hostage situation, Galactus left empty handed for the safety of the hostages (real estate and Morg). Just as I stated about 10 times previously. You might want to see an eye-doctor about the blind-spot you seem to have.

As for this statement you made:

Originally posted by zopzop
FIf as you say, he wasn't Galactus' peer, why did Galactus walk away WITHOUT his herald? Why not blast the sh|t out of "DP" Tyrant and just TAKE your herald?

Originally posted by zopzop

You are saying that Tyrant would have defeated Galactus. And, that Galactus ran away. Oh, and Surfer taunted Galactus due to his cowardice.
Period.

This is what your argument boils down to. Your "last hand". The core of your defense.
Well, I'm done. All I have to say is:

Good luck with all of THAT... 😉

Originally posted by Horrificus
"FAIL. Complete FAIL."? Jeez. For a guy that ignored all the different details I addressed and was only able to come back with one weak argument for one scan, don't you think you are stretching it a bit?
Complete FAIL? Hilarious.

OK. Let's clarify:
So, you think that Galactus, leaving after Tyrant threatens Morg if Galactus does not leave, is the same thing as Galactus scared to be beaten in combat. Even though I even showed that Tyrant made that threat. You are ignoring it.

Next, even though Galactus blew a hole in the fortress, calling Tyrant out, you claim Galactus fears him.

Hey, way to ignore almost EVERY point I make. 💃
As in any hostage situation, Galactus left empty handed for the safety of the hostages (real estate and Morg). Just as I stated about 10 times previously. You might want to see an eye-doctor about the blind-spot you seem to have.

As for this statement you made:
This is because Tyrant is powerful enough to destroy Morg. He is very powerful and I don't think Galactus would have been able to simply vaporize him. Tyrant would have been able to kill Morg, regardless of what happened after.

Again your post FAILS. Morg wasn't in Tyrant's clutches. He was a ways off. You can see "DP" Tyrant was nowhere near Morg when Galactus pointed him out! Tyrant at that point was floating up in the air and all up in Galactus' grill and not in Morg's vicinity.

Galactus could have blasted "DP" Tyrant out of his face and rescued Morg but it wasn't that easy was it? If as you say, "DP" Tyrant, isn't Galactus' peer power wise, what stopped Galactus from swatting "DP" Tyrant away and picking up his herald?

You have NO answer to this so you dance. Just like you have NO answer to why Galactus appeased (Surfer's words and Galactus all but confirmed) the supposedly inferior "DP" Tyrant.

Your excuse that he was out to protect his herald fails because "DP" Tyrant wasn't anywhere near him(Morg). Your other excuse, echoing Galactus, was that the damage to the universe would be too great. Stop and think about that then see why you have no point.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, to make this as clear as humanly possible, I want to restate this in it's own post. So, anybody was was supporting you up until a certain point, will get to understand your true perspective.
Some members may have agreed with you up till a certain point, but I don't think you will get too much support for this:

You are saying that Tyrant would have defeated Galactus. And, that Galactus ran away. Oh, and Surfer taunted Galactus due to his cowardice.
Period.

This is what your argument boils down to. Your "last hand". The core of your defense.
Well, I'm done. All I have to say is:

Good luck with all of THAT... 😉

I don't need luck. The scans I posted speak for themselves. Nice talking to you though.

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't need luck. The scans I posted speak for themselves. Nice talking to you though.

And I'll meet you here for the follow-up!

Tyrant turns Mangog into another energy source.

Originally posted by Horrificus
#1- Galactus just trashed Tyrants house. No reprisal from Tyrant.
#2 and #3- Galactus kicked Tyrant’s butt out of town, figured he was dead and never gave it a second thought.
#4- Tyrant admits that he was beaten badly and frankly, he’s a little hurt from it, with some resentments.
#5- Galactus states that the welfare of the universe is important to him and Tyrant threatened that welfare. It was nothing personal.
#6- Galactus tells Tyrant that a battle will be a losing situaution for Tyrant. Tyrant does not disagree, he simply tells Galactus how strong he is.
#7- Tyrant states that he is at the height of his power. But, he does not attack Galactus. He tells Galactus that he just wants his Empire back. If he is as powerful as Galactus, why doesn’t he attack? Why does he tell Galactus that he just wants to rebuild his empire? Probably, because it would not be good for him.
#8- Galactus says, I don’t want trouble, but if you want some, here it is.
#9- Galactus shows that Morg is one of the only 2 things he cares about at the moment. That’s all he wants. Galactus does not care about the empire rebuilding, or whatever else is going on.
#10- Tyrant asks if Galactus cares about him retaking his empire. Galactus says no.
#11- Galactus reminds Tyrant of the destruction that would take place if they fight. Again, showing that Galactus is motivated by the well-being of the universe he dwells in.
#12- Tyrant sees that it is a no-win for him.
#13- Tyrant admits he was not ready for Galactus AND admits he is retreating.
#14- Asks Galactus if he can leave without trouble.
#15- Asks if he can keep one of the captive heralds, needing power. Why?
#16- Tyrant wants the only herald that Galactus cares about.
#17- Galactus shows that Morg is important to him.
#18- Tyrant uses Morg as a hostage. Plain and simple. Stating, not that he will defeat Galactus he he does not leave. No. He threatens Morg if Galactus does not leave. That is a HOSTAGE and Morg is leverage against Galactus. Tyrant has created a stalemate.
#19- Galactus states that he sacrificed Morg to avoid a “costly delay”. The only other thing Galactus cared about, beside Morg, was the health of the universe. He had to place that above his herald. Also, Galactus has shown absolutely no “personal” interest in the outcome of a possible battle. He shows no interest in posturing, does no seem threatened, ever. He merely shows interest in the possibilities of universal destruction and the loss of Morg.

Conclusion:
Tyrant gets away, after posing a threat to Morg and the health of the universe, holding them both hostage.
NOT by posing a threat to Galactus. Galactus sees Tyrant as an infestation that would harm 2 of the few things he values.

It ends with Galactus watching Tyrant leave, as he looks down through the big hole he just blasted into Tyrants fortress.

Horrificus STOP IT! 😂
Anyone reading with basic elementary level comprehension skills can see you twisted these on panel statements (meanwhile ommitting some important ones) in order to suit your own twisted delusional fantasy. Who are you trying to fool? I mean seriously? The onlookers can decide for themselves. Hopefully they're not purposely blind as you are. This is not even worthy of a dissection. Only another smiley. 😂

I didn't think you'd resort to this. And I'm not saying all this to just bash you or be negative & disrespectfull. I really mean it.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I didn't think you'd resort to this. And I'm not saying all this to just bash you or be negative & disrespectfull. I really mean it.

Exactly. He's a cool poster.

I don't get this forum at all. The DISRESPECT Abraxas, Tyrant, and Lord Mar-vell get from some posters is baffling. It's like there was a stealth retcon of their feats and stuff and I missed it.

Originally posted by zopzop
The VERY NEXT page was Tyrant DARING Galactus to attack and what happened? What happened ODG? That even the Surfer had to call out Galactus on it?

Originally posted by zopzop
The very fact that Galactus was in a rage and demanding his herald back yet left empty handed, he even said, I care not what happens to the others, I want my herald back lest there be war between us. He left empty handed and didn't even think of initiating hostilities.

If as you and others are arguing, that "DP" Tyrant wasn't Galactus' peer, why didn't Galactus just TAKE his fuggin' herald from "DP" Tyrant? I mean Galactus beat "FP" Tyrant right? Why settle into an uneasy truce with someone supposedly WEAKER than the guy you beat eons ago?

And then there's that scan of Galactus telling Morg to "go find a suitable world, I will need all my strength against such a foe (referring to "DP" Tyrant).

You want to cherry-pick Galactus' cautious statements to elevate DP Tyrant to Galactus' level. That's self-serving drivel. Do you know how many of DP Tyrant's statements I can cherry-pick to prove how cautious and fearful he was of him? Which should be obvious considering he lost outright the first time around, he took eons to prep against Galactus, and he conspired to draw Galactus out to ambush him when his guard was down, among other obvious facts.

Originally posted by zopzop
Warlock punked Galactus worse during the IG affair?! OMG. Whatever.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Horrificus STOP IT! 😂
Anyone reading with basic elementary level comprehension skills can see you twisted these on panel statements (meanwhile ommitting some important ones) in order to suit your own twisted delusional fantasy. Who are you trying to fool? I mean seriously? The onlookers can decide for themselves. Hopefully they're not purposely blind as you are. This is not even worthy of a dissection. Only another smiley. 😂

I didn't think you'd resort to this. And I'm not saying all this to just bash you or be negative & disrespectfull. I really mean it.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Horrificus STOP IT! 😂
Anyone reading with basic elementary level comprehension skills can see you twisted these on panel statements (meanwhile ommitting some important ones) in order to suit your own twisted delusional fantasy. Who are you trying to fool? I mean seriously? The onlookers can decide for themselves. Hopefully they're not purposely blind as you are. This is not even worthy of a dissection. Only another smiley. 😂

I didn't think you'd resort to this. And I'm not saying all this to just bash you or be negative & disrespectfull. I really mean it.

Your backhanded ridicule is an ironic reflection of your own behavior. Let us know when you're ready to provide feats proving DP Tyrant was a peer to Galactus rather than isolated character statements, off-panel speculation and non-feats of "punking." Because those cherry-picked character statements, off-panel speculation and non-feats are substantially diminished by the full gambit of character statements, the highly superior on-panel feats of Galactus, and the irrelevance of "punking" when it comes to relative independent power.

Context is important. And it's obvious who cares more about context. It's really obvious.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He posted every page in sequence. He wants you to focus on the statements he thinks you're overlooking or deflecting from.

Your backhanded ridicule is an ironic reflection of your own behavior. Let us know when you're ready to provide feats proving DP Tyrant was a peer to Galactus rather than isolated character statements, off-panel speculation and non-feats of "punking." Because those cherry-picked character statements, off-panel speculation and non-feats are substantially diminished by the full gambit of character statements, the highly superior on-panel feats of Galactus, and the irrelevance of "punking" when it comes to relative independent power.

Context is important. And it's obvious who cares more about context. It's really obvious.