Classic Mangog vs. Tyrant (depowered)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

^^^ This is the post I'm referring to...that you DIDN'T ANSWER..

You also claimed to have answered the question no. 2 which you said you would get back to but conveinently DIDN'T. So I will ask and bold... DID YOU STATE IN YOUR SCANS THAT ODIN WAS WEAKENED AND DYING BECAUSE OF EXPENDING SO MUCH ENERGY TRANSPORTING ASGARD. DID YOU MENTION THIS WHEN YOU SHOWED YOUR SCANS? Simple.

No, I did not mention anything about Odin being "WEAKENED AND DYING BECAUSE OF EXPENDING SO MUCH ENERGY TRANSPORTING ASGARD".
Do you know why?
Because in the panel I posted, THAT HAD NOT HAPPENED YET!
Odin got mauled in a confrontation BEFORE the final confrontation.
And, I did answer you before!

You are hilarious!
You are down to one thing that I have not yet proven on panel.
Good job! You still ignored EVERYTHING else.
Who taught you to debate? Peter Griffin?

You haven't admitted being wrong even one time yet.

So, the question is, why would anybody want to debate with you?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
LOL ALL THAT and you still can't answer... You use their final battle as proof that no Galaxies were destroyed... HMMMMMM ... Well lets see a possible and logically explanation why... I will ask another question which points to why that WAS SO.. NOT that tyrant and galactus didn't have the power to do so....

DId their second encounter last NEARLY as long as their first encounter? Hmmmm could that possibly be the reason why it didn't happen? Galactus knows HIS POWER and TYRANT POWER (ya know being his maker and all and being in touch with the universe) better than you correct? So, if on panel evidence by marvel states it, your nuh uh's I didn't happen trump that... So, 10 people can claim Galactus will destroy Galaxies in a fight with.. ummm... Zom... Yet Galactus one shots Zom thus there isn't a prolonged fight and galaxies destroyed.. thus.. those 10 on panel confirmations of what their power can do are thus not true because Galactus wtf pwned zom in one shot? Flawless logic.

What don't you get? You haven't given me sh1t to argue against other than your own wishful thinking. This bears repeating:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I rebutted your assertion for the flimsy malformed statement that it was: a baseless one. I don't have to do anything more than that. It's up to you to support your baseless statement with real on-panel evidence or abandon it. You haven't offered me anything else worth considering other than the mewling appeal, "B-b-b-but is it possible? Somehow... that they wasn't lyin... and m-m-m-maybe galaxies could have been destwoyed?" Give me a break.

I'm done holding your hand through this deconstruction. I shouldn't have to explain why your semantics and rhetoric are such a disappointment. But considering that you're essentially begging me to make your arguments for you on issues you have with another poster, I felt compelled to educate you here in no unclear terms. Your repeated mistakes and fallacies do not remedy your arguments. Nor do thy rebut mine. Consider yourself informed. Now go make a better argument.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't care to get into a semantics argument over what "punked" means. It would prove as droll as the one we had over what "plot device" means.

Either way, getting that cutting dig in on Galactus by snatching Morg is quite diminished for two reasons you seem to be ignoring: [b](i) DP Tyrant was the one who initially backed down and agreed to back off; and (ii) Galactus basically traded away Morg for Surfer and everyone else -- a trade some would call wise considering that Morg betrayed DP Tyrant at the end.

Yes, DP Tyrant pissed Galactus off. Yes, in the end, Galactus accepted the deal's terms begrudgingly and chose not to confront DP Tyrant right then and there. It's a non-feat that is mostly irrelevant as to DP Tyrant's own independent power levels and his place in the hierarchy of comics characters. 👆 [/B]

Now I know you didn't even bother to read the scans. Galactus demanded his herald back, Tyrant said no, Galactus said give him back lest there be war between us, Tyrant still said no, Galactus backed down, the Silver Surfer was conscious during the end of this and when it was all over asked why Galactus backed down since it was not in his nature to appease a foe. He got punked. It's all right there yet you choose to ignore it. Oh well, it's whatever.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Tyrant is not a peer to Galactus he was made in his own image but still weaker and he obviously lacks the feats. Galaxies were not destroyed when they faced. Laugh huh? Galactus would laugh at Zeus and Odin too he has a superiority complex when it comes to beings such as them look how that turned out flash koed by Zeus in chaos war and also flah koed by Odin recently. Tyrant isn't a peer to Galactus by feats he's still below him or are yo saying Odin couldn't shit stomp a bunch of heralds? Are you saying all their feats considered Tyrant = Galactus >> Odin = Zeus? Tyrants only feat that would put him on the level of high end skyfathers is a wash 😬

Ummm he certainly is actually... Galactus sure considered him such... Galactus didn't even bother feeding against Odin and Odin one shot himself against Galactus lol. Tyrant punking Galactus... So your point? That odin did far worse than Tyrant.. true... That Galctus actually feared confronting Tyrant and prepped and feed but didn't for Odin... True... Galactus wouldn't even bother with Mangog... he would literally even laugh at the thought of Mangog being a threat... Now, that is in stark contrast to how he acted with Tyrant.

how exactly has the disparity in the fights against thanos been resolved....? i've seen a lot of posts about tyran being a peer (i agree, when he was created that was the implication) but clearly the difference in relative powers was made evident in the thanos battles. when i think of dp tyrant THAT is the version i think of. and i think it was pretty clear that galactus's showing (and even the way thanos spoke of both of them respectively) indicated he was more fearful of galactus. and--as was shown--with good reason.....

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm he certainly is actually... Galactus sure considered him such... Galactus didn't even bother feeding against Odin and Odin one shot himself against Galactus lol. Tyrant punking Galactus... So your point? That odin did far worse than Tyrant.. true... That Galctus actually feared confronting Tyrant and prepped and feed but didn't for Odin... True... Galactus wouldn't even bother with Mangog... he would literally even laugh at the thought of Mangog being a threat... Now, that is in stark contrast to how he acted with Tyrant.

Originally posted by leonidas
how exactly has the disparity in the fights against thanos been resolved....? i've seen a lot of posts about tyran being a peer (i agree, when he was created that was the implication) but clearly the difference in relative powers was made evident in the thanos battles. when i think of dp tyrant THAT is the version i think of. and i think it was pretty clear that galactus's showing (and even the way thanos spoke of both of them respectively) indicated he was more fearful of galactus. and--as was shown--with good reason.....

Well Leo you're correct in that Tyrant was a peer when he was first created... Being made in his image and all. However, you're incorrect in that he was NO LONGER a peer. Tyrant own words and marvel canon says otherwise. Tyrant had been in hiding for eons GETTING all his power back. When he got back enough he said.. I've gained back enough power to Challenge Galactus.. he further says... He's at the HEIGHT OF HIS POWERS... Now, what on earth can we make of these statements other than he is back to his original power levels if not greater? Galctus stripped power away but that is exactly what he's been gaining back. The only thing Galactus prevented was his size NOT his power level.

To go further, Galactus and Surfer's own actions and words confirm Tyrant is a threat and rival of Galactus... Galactus can sense power levels...galactus has done battle with Tyrant before... he is his creator.. So you would agree he can have a pretty good idea the foe he is up against... Well lets take a look at his actions and see if he considered Tyrant a threat...

1. Backed down from him the first time they met again and let him take his heralds FOR FEAR of galaxies being destroyed... Something as I've pointed out would be of no concern with a mere creature liek Mangog

2. Galactus ACTUALLY (different than usual) prepped and FEED before facing Tyrant. He hasn't done so when facing Odin and other powerful beings.. Yet he did so when he was going to face Tyrant. Hmmm seems to further show that Galactus was concerned and considered him a threat.

3. Surfer, knowing both very well.. was rushing to the fight because and I quote " I need to hurry before they BOTH destroy each other". Seems Surfer also viewed and knew Tyrant would be a legit threat

4. Then we see the actually battle take place and it's further confirmed that Tyrant is indeed a threat, since ya know, he punked Galactus with ease.

5. Tyrant also did better against Thanos than Odin did... Tyrant also did better and Galactus was more concerned about doing battle with Tyrant than Odin. Sh1t Odin one shot himself against Galactus. You can claim galactus did better against Thanos, which on the surface is true... yet going further... It was a prepped and AMPED thanos... that wasn't the case against Galactus. AND.. once tyrant said he was going to get serious... Thanos ADMITTED Tyrant would kill him (just like Galactus) and left.

This all points to the same thing... Tyrant was certainly a peer to Galactus and a bigger threat to him than Odin or mahy others he's faced. Mangog.... please... he wouldn't he bother with him or view him as anythign more than some dumb brute wandering around asgard.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well Leo you're correct in that Tyrant was a peer when he was first created... Being made in his image and all. However, you're incorrect in that he was NO LONGER a peer. Tyrant own words and marvel canon says otherwise. Tyrant had been in hiding for eons GETTING all his power back. When he got back enough he said.. I've gained back enough power to Challenge Galactus.. he further says... He's at the HEIGHT OF HIS POWERS... Now, what on earth can we make of these statements other than he is back to his original power levels if not greater? Galctus stripped power away but that is exactly what he's been gaining back. The only thing Galactus prevented was his size NOT his power level.

To go further, Galactus and Surfer's own actions and words confirm Tyrant is a threat and rival of Galactus... Galactus can sense power levels...galactus has done battle with Tyrant before... he is his creator.. So you would agree he can have a pretty good idea the foe he is up against... Well lets take a look at his actions and see if he considered Tyrant a threat...

1. Backed down from him the first time they met again and let him take his heralds FOR FEAR of galaxies being destroyed... Something as I've pointed out would be of no concern with a mere creature liek Mangog

2. Galactus ACTUALLY (different than usual) prepped and FEED before facing Tyrant. He hasn't done so when facing Odin and other powerful beings.. Yet he did so when he was going to face Tyrant. Hmmm seems to further show that Galactus was concerned and considered him a threat.

3. Surfer, knowing both very well.. was rushing to the fight because and I quote " I need to hurry before they BOTH destroy each other". Seems Surfer also viewed and knew Tyrant would be a legit threat

4. Then we see the actually battle take place and it's further confirmed that Tyrant is indeed a threat, since ya know, he punked Galactus with ease.

5. Tyrant also did better against Thanos than Odin did... Tyrant also did better and Galactus was more concerned about doing battle with Tyrant than Odin. Sh1t Odin one shot himself against Galactus. You can claim galactus did better against Thanos, which on the surface is true... yet going further... It was a prepped and AMPED thanos... that wasn't the case against Galactus. AND.. once tyrant said he was going to get serious... Thanos ADMITTED Tyrant would kill him (just like Galactus) and left.

This all points to the same thing... Tyrant was certainly a peer to Galactus and a bigger threat to him than Odin or mahy others he's faced. Mangog.... please... he wouldn't he bother with him or view him as anythign more than some dumb brute wandering around asgard.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You stating Tyrant is a peer to Galactus as if its fact doesn't actually convince anybody that its fact.

Jeezuz.......

Originally posted by zopzop


"Go find me a suitable world, I'll need all my strength for such a foe."

Originally posted by zopzop
Jeezuz.......

Originally posted by iceman24567
You stating Tyrant is a peer to Galactus as if its fact doesn't actually convince anybody that its fact.

Ummm Ice did I just state it was a fact.. or did I list THING after THING.. narration after narration that PROVE just that. Lets see, who has more proof... the people providing proof and scans of narration and action.. or the nuh uh's I don't want to be CANON PROOF? Hmmmmm

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
OWNAGE... All that I have posted and Zop... and ya know, CANON marvel narration and actions PROVES just that.

And then there's this, my friend:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/youscared.jpg/

"Although I have not served as his herald for many years, I am still psychically linked to him. My power cosmic senses his distress, his pain, and most unlike him........something akin to fear."

Scared sh|tless of "DP" Tyrant. But they are not peers...........at all. Nope! 🙄

There's no point arguing with the doubters Kurupt, if they ignore what's on panel nothing we say or do will convince them.

@ODG - Tyrant retreated because the battle wouldn't benefit him at the time, not out of fear as it seems you were trying to project. Happened in the scan prior to the one you posted. Common mistake on these boards to leave out context.

Galactus - "Full war between us could bring destruction as has never been seen."
Tyrant - "True. A confrontation now would benefit neither of us"

^Emphasis on the underlined part is for those who doubt galaxies would be destroyed if all out war was waged this go round.

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They then decided to part ways, but not before Galactus' demanded Morg back.

Galactus - "No. Any but him, lest there be war between us".
Tyrant - Only him.

^ After intense staredown, Galactus - Very well.
Really? Even after an emphatic No from Big G? shocking
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To those who assume Tyrant was not at the same level eons ago, He can explain it better than I can.

Tyrant - "Now at the height of my powers, I mean to reclaim my empire. If in order to do so I must withstand a challenge from you, I am more than able."

Don't get it twisted, just because Tyrant's stature isn't gigantic of old, dosen't mean the power is not there.

1. Galactus in pain and distress.- Due to his master creation, turning against him.

2. Galactus fed before the battle.- So, we know for a FACT that Galactus has never done this with any other opponent?

3. Still, nothing ever stated that Galactus feared for his own safety during the conflict.

4. Nothing showing that Tyrant was himself, that powerful, without a vampiric drain from the similarly powered Galactus, or similar Galactus-tech.

5. On panel, I showed Mangog knocking Odin unconscious after just crushing him for a moment in his claw. And, regardless of what kurupt says, the Odin I showed being beaten down, is a full-powered Odin that was TERRIFIED of Mangog much more than he ever showed even for Galactus. Not that I think Mangog is as powerful as Galactus, but Mangog and Odin had a history before the first on-panel story.
Throughout all 3 Mangog/Asgard stories, there are constant clear references to the history between them and the FACT that Mangog is unbeatable.

Originally posted by Sundipped
@ODG - Tyrant retreated because the battle wouldn't benefit him at the time, not out of fear as it seems you were trying to project. Happened in the scan prior to the one you posted. Common mistake on these boards to leave out context.

Galactus - "Full war between us could bring destruction as has never been seen."
Tyrant - "True. A confrontation now would benefit neither of us"

^Emphasis on the underlined part is for those who doubt galaxies would be destroyed if all out war was waged this go round.

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They then decided to part ways, but not before Galactus' [B]demanded Morg back.

Galactus - "No. Any but him, lest there be war between us".
Tyrant - Only him.

^ After intense staredown, Galactus - Very well.
Really? Even after an emphatic No from Big G? shocking
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To those who assume Tyrant was not at the same level eons ago, He can explain it better than I can.

Tyrant - "Now at the height of my powers, I mean to reclaim my empire. If in order to do so I must withstand a challenge from you, I am more than able."

Don't get it twisted, just because Tyrant's stature isn't gigantic of old, dosen't mean the power is not there. [/B]

It is simply a stalemate, with both hesitating to destroy real estate.

If I owned a china shop, I wouldn't want to fight in it. Even if I knew I could win.

Originally posted by zopzop
And then there's this, my friend:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/youscared.jpg/

"Although I have not served as his herald for many years, I am still psychically linked to him. My power cosmic senses his distress, his pain, and most unlike him........something akin to fear."

Scared sh|tless of "DP" Tyrant. But they are not peers...........at all. Nope! 🙄

There's no point arguing with the doubters Kurupt, if they ignore what's on panel nothing we say or do will convince them.

Remember Galactus runs away if it's not absolutely imperative that he fight.

Just like The Surfer, not a fighter, more a force of nature/the universe.

That said, I still cannot see how people can downgrade De-powered Tyrant to the level of skyfather beings. For me, his ability to seriously challenge and impede Galactus makes him >> Odin/Mangog etc, though still <<< a serious minded Galactus.

Originally posted by Horrificus
1. Galactus in pain and distress.- Due to his master creation, turning against him.

2. Galactus fed before the battle.- So, we know for a FACT that Galactus has never done this with any other opponent?

3. Still, nothing ever stated that Galactus feared for his own safety during the conflict.

4. Nothing showing that Tyrant was himself, that powerful, without a vampiric drain from the similarly powered Galactus, or similar Galactus-tech.

Originally posted by janus77
You can fear getting beat upon by someone, even if you know you'll inevitably win. Some like a scrap, win or lose, others seek to avoid it (however powerful they are).

Remember Galactus runs away if it's not absolutely imperative that he fight.

Just like The Surfer, not a fighter, more a force of nature/the universe.

That said, I still cannot see how people can downgrade De-powered Tyrant to the level of skyfather beings. For me, his ability to seriously challenge and impede Galactus makes him >> Odin/Mangog etc, though still <<< a serious minded Galactus.

Originally posted by zopzop


Galactus : Go find me a suitable world, I'll need all my strength for such a foe.

It's not hard people.

Originally posted by zopzop
Now I know you didn't even bother to read the scans. Galactus demanded his herald back, Tyrant said no, Galactus said give him back lest there be war between us, Tyrant still said no, Galactus backed down, the Silver Surfer was conscious during the end of this and when it was all over asked why Galactus backed down since it was not in his nature to appease a foe. He got punked. It's all right there yet you choose to ignore it. Oh well, it's whatever.

That Galactus agreed to give up Morg isn't abject humiliation of Galactus. It was both parties choosing to fight each other another time and figuring out terms of negotiation. I get that Galactus conceding even the smallest thing is quite a feat. But nothing here suggests that DP Tyrant's posturing equates to some feat that places him near Galactus' level of power. This should be so obvious I feel like I'm patronizing you. But you're obviously committed to suggestions to the contrary.

Originally posted by leonidas
how exactly has the disparity in the fights against thanos been resolved....? i've seen a lot of posts about tyran being a peer (i agree, when he was created that was the implication) but clearly the difference in relative powers was made evident in the thanos battles. when i think of dp tyrant THAT is the version i think of. and i think it was pretty clear that galactus's showing (and even the way thanos spoke of both of them respectively) indicated he was more fearful of galactus. and--as was shown--with good reason.....

Originally posted by Sundipped
@ODG - Tyrant retreated because the battle wouldn't benefit him at the time, not out of fear as it seems you were trying to project. Happened in the scan prior to the one you posted. Common mistake on these boards to leave out context.

Galactus - "Full war between us could bring destruction as has never been seen."
Tyrant - "True. A confrontation now would benefit neither of us"

^Emphasis on the underlined part is for those who doubt galaxies would be destroyed if all out war was waged this go round.

The rest is simple negotiation of terms. Galactus offering Surfer and everyone else. DP Tyrant demanding Morg. Galactus giving him Morg. Which ended up backfiring horribly considering Morg betrayed DP Tyrant in the end. So, yes, Galactus even backing off his unilateral arbitrary demands is a feat, in and of itself. But it doesn't elevate DP Tyrant to Galactus' level. That's a retarded sh1tty argument. Adam Warlock embarassed Galactus in front of all the Abstracts and Galactus conceded leadership of the counter-offensive against IG Thanos. Galactus went so far as to even attack Adam Warlock over this issue (to no avail). That doesn't phucking elevate Adam Warlock to Galactus' level of power.

And these arguments over the "punking" of Galactus are just more of the same sh1t. If that's the best feat of DP Tyrant ya'll have, no wonder you're rallying around it. Pathetic, to say the least.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
DP Tyrant is the one who agreed to part ways after the parlay first. DP Tyrant was the first one to understand that he didn't want to get into a fight with Galactus. This is indisputable considering DP Tyrant agreed to retreat so long as he was unmolested and he was given someone. Galactus agreed to that. The only thing left to negotiate were the terms. Galactus said DP Tyrant could have everyone, he only cared about his current Herald at the time, Morg. Whom DP Tyrant insisted on and Galactus relented on: Morg for Surfer and everybody else.

That Galactus agreed to give up Morg isn't abject humiliation of Galactus. It was both parties choosing to fight each other another time and figuring out terms of negotiation. I get that Galactus conceding even the smallest thing is quite a feat. But nothing here suggests that DP Tyrant's posturing equates to some feat that places him near Galactus' level of power. This should be so obvious I feel like I'm patronizing you. But you're obviously committed to suggestions to the contrary. 👆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And of course, I showed where DP Tyrant was the first one who agreed to retreat, provided he was unmolested. For anyone who is trying to pass this treaty off as Galactus completely surrendering: stop lying. DP Tyrant is the first one to agree that they should back off from each other.

The rest is simple negotiation of terms. Galactus offering Surfer and everyone else. DP Tyrant demanding Morg. Galactus giving him Morg. Which ended up backfiring horribly considering Morg betrayed DP Tyrant in the end. So, yes, Galactus even backing off his unilateral arbitrary demands is a feat, in and of itself. But it doesn't elevate DP Tyrant to Galactus' level. That's a retarded sh1tty argument. Adam Warlock embarassed Galactus in front of all the Abstracts and Galactus conceded leadership of the counter-offensive against IG Thanos. Galactus went so far as to even attack Adam Warlock over this issue (to no avail). That doesn't phucking elevate Adam Warlock to Galactus' level of power.

And these arguments over the "punking" of Galactus are just more of the same sh1t. If that's the best feat of DP Tyrant ya'll have, no wonder you're rallying around it. Pathetic, to say the least.

Dude, he went there for his herald, pissed. He left empty handed.He even said he didn't care for the others he DEMANDED his herald back or he'd start a war. When push came to shove, HE was the one that relented. . He got punked. Deal with it.