Originally posted by NihilistI don't have time for your incessant snide remarks. Reported. doped
Nah you didnt, you just did your usual try and down play stuff routineBeneath me 😂, nice try at being a smart ass, its just boring now watching the same old tired bias posters and arguments doing the same thing over and over again.
I can b*tch all i want the same way you get to be a pretentious little shit all the time 🙂
I just read some older Thor comics with Mangog in them, and I have to say that I don't believe that Mangog would beat Tyrant, it would be close in terms of hand to hand combat, but Tyrant simply has more tricks up his sleeve than Mangog seemed to have in those older books. I see a long fight, but in the end, Tyrant would stand victorious. Mangog of The Mighty Thor v1 250, would be slaughtered.
This is still going on?
Galactus one shots an upgraded Thanos. Even Quan will argue pretty heartily in favour of Thanos being upgraded from his Tyrant or Odin battles.
Galactus manhandles Tyrant, and then tries to drain him. Doesn't work, so this means nothing Galactus could ever do could beat Tyrant? What?
You know what the funny thing about that battle is? Tyrant tried to get the drop on Galactus with the first attack, and Galactus laughed in his face. Galactus blasted Tyrant with an attack than empowered Tyrant, and it caused him pain. OMG, Tyrant is so far above Galactus.
There is nothing to suggest Galactus couldn't have just beaten him into a pile of blood. He just chose to try and end it quickly and without as much damage as he could.
And if we forget this as well, then I guess we can say Galactus is below Depowered Tyrant... I mean, Galactus beating Tyrant and turning him into his depowered form means nothing:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-22-23.jpg
Hell, if using tech means Galactus can't win, then I guess we should point out his battle against Khoon... or I mean, the battle where he was absolutely terrified of Khoon, amirite?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306914py9.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306915dg8.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306918fa0.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306919ep3.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306920zx8.jpg
Here's a fight where he knows he can't beat the Fantastic Four, so he uses tech instead!
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-03.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-05.jpg
etc. This is stupid
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
This is still going on?Galactus one shots an upgraded Thanos. Even Quan will argue pretty heartily in favour of Thanos being upgraded from his Tyrant or Odin battles.
Galactus manhandles Tyrant, and then tries to drain him. Doesn't work, so this means nothing Galactus could ever do could beat Tyrant? What?
You know what the funny thing about that battle is? Tyrant tried to get the drop on Galactus with the first attack, and Galactus laughed in his face. Galactus blasted Tyrant with an attack than empowered Tyrant, and it caused him pain. OMG, Tyrant is so far above Galactus.
There is nothing to suggest Galactus couldn't have just beaten him into a pile of blood. He just chose to try and end it quickly and without as much damage as he could.And if we forget this as well, then I guess we can say Galactus is below Depowered Tyrant... I mean, Galactus beating Tyrant and turning him into his depowered form means nothing:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-22-23.jpgHell, if using tech means Galactus can't win, then I guess we should point out his battle against Khoon... or I mean, the battle where he was absolutely terrified of Khoon, amirite?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306914py9.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306915dg8.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306918fa0.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306919ep3.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Khoon/silversurferv306920zx8.jpgHere's a fight where he knows he can't beat the Fantastic Four, so he uses tech instead!
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-03.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-05.jpgetc. This is stupid
You are leaving out important context in their final fight.
Both sides wanted to gain an advantage over the other :
Tryant wanted to take him by suprise. Failed. Toadie was found out and captured by Morg.
Galactus had to feast on a world that made him feel "more powerful than he had in ages" because he needed "all his strength for such a foe" and he wanted to "perform his fatherly duties" on his hometurf not Tyrant's.
During that fight, Galactus blasted Tyrant with the Power Cosmic and failed. He absorbed the BSE and it was only empowering him. Then he tried getting physical and failed. Tyrant was regenning his body all the while slashing Galactus up. Then he tried using his Tech to drain Tyrant and failed for the third and final time.
Originally posted by zopzopWhat does that matter? Either way, you're forgetting full powered Tyrant was defeated by Galactus.
You are leaving out important context in their final fight.Both sides wanted to gain an advantage over the other :
Tryant wanted to take him by suprise. Failed. Toadie was found out and captured by Morg.
Galactus had to feast on a world that made him feel "more powerful than he had in ages" because he needed "all his strength for such a foe" and he wanted to "perform his fatherly duties" on his hometurf not Tyrant's.
During that fight, Galactus blasted Tyrant with the Power Cosmic and failed. He absorbed the BSE and it was only empowering him. Then he tried getting physical and failed. Tyrant was regenning his body all the while slashing Galactus up. Then he tried using his Tech to drain Tyrant and failed for the third and final time.
He blasted him once, sent him flying, hurt him, and then Tyrant said he was empowered.
If by "physical" you mean grabbing him and ripping his hair out, then sure... wait, how does that mean he failed? If I grab your hair and rip it out, and you say "That's OK I'll grow it back, but you won't grow back your clothing!", does that mean you gain the upper hand? When I accomplish what I set out for while you're sitting there spitting out god only knows what out of your mouth?
At no point in that fight did Tyrant do anything at all to Galactus. There is no way he was above Galactus. All he did was drain him with Galactus' tech. Plus, Galactus beat the full version so there's that. Hell, even in the fight, we have Tyrant not effecting Galactus twice, while Galactus hurts him with a blast that powers him up, and rips his "hair" out. Clearly one failed more than the other until tech was brought out.
Resorting to tech means nothing... at all. It was just a plot device, but more over, it was plenty in line with Galactus' history. Hell, he did the same thing to Thanos when he sent multiple Punisher robots at him... Galactus couldn't beat Thanos now?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What does that matter? Either way, you're forgetting full powered Tyrant was defeated by Galactus.He blasted him once, sent him flying, hurt him, and then Tyrant said he was empowered.
If by "physical" you mean grabbing him and ripping his hair out, then sure... wait, how does that mean he failed? If I grab your hair and rip it out, and you say "That's OK I'll grow it back, but you won't grow back your clothing!", does that mean you gain the upper hand? When I accomplish what I set out for while you're sitting there spitting out god only knows what out of your mouth?
Tyrant had MORE control over BSE that BOTH combatants have as their source of energy. Advantage Tyrant.
Tyrant had better control over his physical body. He laughed off Galactus' physical attacks while slashing through a full fed Galactus' armor. Advantage Tyrant.
Tyrant had better control over machines than their creator Galactus. Advantage Tyrant.
At no point in that fight did Tyrant do anything at all to Galactus. There is no way he was above Galactus. All he did was drain him with Galactus' tech. Plus, Galactus beat the full version so there's that. Hell, even in the fight, we have Tyrant not effecting Galactus twice, while Galactus hurts him with a blast that powers him up, and rips his "hair" out. Clearly one failed more than the other until tech was brought out.
But he did. He was tearing through his armor. And you keep mentioning the fact that Galactus beat the full version of Tyrant but that was done eons ago AND OFF PANEL.
Even Galactus' handbook entry makes it clear that he had possible assistance in taking down Tyrant :
Resorting to tech means nothing... at all. It was just a plot device, but more over, it was plenty in line with Galactus' history.
But it wasn't. It was AFTER both his Power Cosmic AND physical assaults failed to do anything to Tyrant. This is why this encounter is unlike the other ones you posted.
Originally posted by zopzopAnd this makes Tyrant more powerful than Galactus? Even though he couldn't do anything to him, and Galactus beat a more powerful version?Tyrant had MORE control over BSE that BOTH combatants have as their source of energy. Advantage Tyrant.
Tyrant had better control over his physical body. He laughed off Galactus' physical attacks while slashing through a full fed Galactus' armor. Advantage Tyrant.
Tyrant had better control over machines than their creator Galactus. Advantage Tyrant.[/B]
Tyrant had more control over BSE because he can absorb energy?
Better control over physical body is irrelevant. He got a piece of his body ripped off, while he slashed armor...
Which has nothing to do with power.
Love the spin though.
Instead of Tyrant's energy attack doing nothing at all, it's actually Tyrant who's better there, because he can absorb blasts. Or Galactus' physical attacks (lol at physical attackS) failing when it did exactly what it was intended to do.
"Galactus ripped off pieces of Tyrant, but Tyrant can eventually regrow them (which we never saw him do), AND he can slash through finger armor!!! lol Tyrant is way more powerful!"
Originally posted by zopzopI didn't realize cutting through finger armor was a means to defeat Galactus. Next time I get my shirt ripped while fighting I'll just concede defeat right there and then.
But he did. He was tearing through his armor. And you keep mentioning the fact that Galactus beat the full version of Tyrant but that was done eons ago AND OFF PANEL.Even Galactus' handbook entry makes it clear that he had possible assistance in taking down Tyrant :
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The Spinsterhood thought they were the ones who drove Tyrant back, but IIRC Thanos told them they had nothing to do with it. Hell, I'm pretty sure they didn't even know about Tyrant and Galactus' connection.
Plus, where the hell were they on the panels then?
This is what we're shown of the fight:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-02-03.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-05.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-06.jpg
And here's where it shows Galactus eyebeaming Tyrant down to size:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-22-23.jpg
I didn't see any help. And I saw a full fight with an ending, so... ya, it was all there.
Quite simple really
Originally posted by zopzopBut it is. And the Power Cosmic assault "failed" (even though it made Tyrant reconsider challenging Galactus), but his physical attacks didn't. All he did was grab and rip his hair out. Had Galactus punched him and it did nothing, then maybe.
But it wasn't. It was AFTER both his Power Cosmic AND physical assaults failed to do anything to Tyrant. This is why this encounter is unlike the other ones you posted. [/B]
Also, none of Galactus' attacks failed, and he resorted to tech in the scans I showed. It shows it's part of his character, and to ignore this is just blatantly ignorant.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And this makes Tyrant more powerful than Galactus? Even though he couldn't do anything to him, and Galactus beat a more powerful version?Tyrant had more control over BSE because he can absorb energy?
Better control over physical body is irrelevant. He got a piece of his body ripped off, while he slashed armor...
Which has nothing to do with power.
Love the spin though.
Instead of Tyrant's energy attack doing nothing at all, it's actually Tyrant who's better there, because he can absorb blasts. Or Galactus' physical attacks (lol at physical attackS) failing when it did exactly what it was intended to do."Galactus ripped off pieces of Tyrant, but Tyrant can eventually regrow them (which we never saw him do), AND he can slash through finger armor!!! lol Tyrant is way more powerful!"
You do realize the fight was as erratic as it was because it was Galactus that was switching tactics like that right? After the Power Cosmic failed because Tyrant absorbed it, he went physical, after that failed he lashed out with his tech (which was his last resort as he himself told Morg that he wanted to face Tyrant on HIS hometurf).
That's not spin. That's a fact. The fact that he was tearing through Galactus' armor, A FULLY FED Galactus at that and it was Galactus that broke off and used his machines says a lot.
I didn't realize cutting through finger armor was a means to defeat Galactus. Next time I get my shirt ripped while fighting I'll just concede defeat right there and then.The Spinsterhood thought they were the ones who drove Tyrant back, but IIRC Thanos told them they had nothing to do with it. Hell, I'm pretty sure they didn't even know about Tyrant and Galactus' connection.
Plus, where the hell were they on the panels then?
This is what we're shown of the fight:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-02-03.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-05.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-06.jpgAnd here's where it shows Galactus eyebeaming Tyrant down to size:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-22-23.jpgI didn't see any help. And I saw a full fight with an ending, so... ya, it was all there.
Quite simple really
Yes it is simple Galactus AND the Spinsterhood took down Tyrant. Galactus doing the heavy lifting and depowering him and then the Spinster's finishing the job by driving him into exile.
Also, none of Galactus' attacks failed, and he resorted to tech in the scans I showed. It shows it's part of his character, and to ignore this is just blatantly ignorant.
Everything Galactus tried FAILED. That's why he didnt' continue blasting him or punching him and when he tried his final trump card that failed too and backfired on him spectacularly.
^ Your unusual focus on DP Tyrant slashing the armor on Galactus' finger is... unusual. "ZOMG, DP Tyrant was slashing him upzzz!!!"
He slashed his finger. Literally... just his finger.
Thanos and Thor did more damage to Galactus' armor than DP Tyrant did. 😐
That Galactus decided not to just simply reform his armor, as he's proven to be capable of when he fought Odin, is just PIS. Galactus went for the easy, no fuss win. His mistake. But that decision seemed hardly attributable to DP Tyrant somehow physically dominating Galactus. You should cease trying to suggest anything to the contrary.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Your unusual focus on DP Tyrant slashing the armor on Galactus' finger is... unusual. "ZOMG, DP Tyrant was slashing him upzzz!!!"He slashed his finger. Literally... just his finger.
Thanos and Thor did more damage to Galactus' armor than DP Tyrant did. 😐
And yet Tyrant was the one that almost killed Galactus on Galactus' hometurf.
^ With plot device advantages, yes. Had DP Tyrant not been able to absorb Galactus' attacks or usurp Galactus' technology, he would have been up sh1t creek without a paddle.
DP Tyrant obviously could not fight him otherwise. Galactus basically no-sold his first attack and had a scratch on his finger before he got his power completely drained. But, whatever, Galactus' finger was scratched. Quick, someone put that scan in DP Tyrant's Respect Thread. Reminds me of when you hyped up Galactus' sweat drops against Odin.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ With plot device advantages, yes. Had DP Tyrant not been able to absorb Galactus' attacks or usurp Galactus' technology, he would have been up sh1t creek without a paddle.DP Tyrant obviously could not fight him otherwise. Galactus basically no-sold his first attack and had a scratch on his finger before he got his power completely drained. But, whatever, Galactus' finger was scratched. Quick, someone put that scan in DP Tyrant's Respect Thread. Reminds me of when you hyped up Galactus' sweat drops against Odin.
What plot device? Tyrant was a KNOWN technopath with complete control over his Fortress. Tyrant was also said to be tied to the same BSE that Galactus was. Tyrant gains his power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe , Galactus does too but he has to devour the world in question.
It turned out that Tyrant's BSE control > Galactus'. Tyrant's technopathy > Galactus' control over his own machines. Tyrant had the ability to regen his missing body parts, Galactus didn't.
This is what the WRITER stated on panel. That's how he wanted the fight to go down.
^ I've already explained why I characterize DP Tyrant's suddenly emergent energy absorption powers and technopathy as being plot device. You remember this conversation. If you don't, it's on page 6. Doom is a master inventor also, doesn't make his Power Cosmic Siphon Harness any less plot-devicey, without which, Doom would be dominated by Galactus' independent power. Much like DP Tyrant is (and was).
Galactus got his finger slashed. How you characterize that as some sort of catalyzing impetus for Galactus to desperately resort to using his technology is baffling. As Sr J-Bieb has amply demonstrated, Galactus using his technology is neither unusual, nor a sign, in and of itself, that Galactus is desperate. What should be obvious to you also, is that a slashed finger isn't such a sign either.
Then again, you get excited over Galactus sweat drops. I am, unfortunately, not surprised by the inordinate amount of emphasis you place on DP Tyrant slashing his finger.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I've already explained why I characterize DP Tyrant's suddenly emergent energy absorption powers and technopathy as being plot device. You remember this conversation. If you don't, it's on page 6.Galactus got his finger slashed. How you characterize that as some sort of catalyzing impetus for Galactus to desperately resort to using his technology is baffling. As Sr J-Bieb has amply demonstrated, Galactus using his technology is not unusual or a sign, in and of itself, that Galactus is desperate. What should be obvious to you also, is that a slashed finger isn't such a sign either.
Then again, you get excited over Galactus sweat drops. I am, unfortunately, not surprised by the inordinate amount of emphasis you place on DP Tyrant slashing his finger.
Wrong. You'd have a point, as would Sr J, if Galactus hadn't previously STATED ON PANEL that he wanted to fight Tyrant on HIS (Galactus'😉 turf! He resorted to his tech after neither physical assaults OR the Power Cosmic did anything of substance to Tyrant.
Originally posted by zopzopWhy do you keep calling it as Galactus going physical. He grabbed him and ripped out whatever he grabbed.You do realize the fight was as erratic as it was because it was Galactus that was switching tactics like that right? After the Power Cosmic failed because Tyrant absorbed it, he went physical, after that failed he lashed out with his tech (which was his last resort as he himself told Morg that he wanted to face Tyrant on HIS hometurf).
That's not spin. That's a fact. The fact that he was tearing through Galactus' armor, A FULLY FED Galactus at that and it was Galactus that broke off and used his machines says a lot. [/B]
The whole thing was 4 attacks total, and the tech. 3 attacks if you don't count ripping out hair as an attack. What an erratic battle.
lol at cutting through his armor and doing nothing to Galactus.
Who cares? It's not like Galactus was below Tyrant. He just used his machines in an attempt to quickly end Tyrant, which didn't work. That's what he does.
Hell, there's the Thanos fight where he used tech, the Secret Wars fight where he threw everyone aside, downed Hulk and took their blasts to no effect... and then used tech to combat them while he "broke off". The two I showed. Punisher robots, Phoenix ending tech, UN, planet eating, etc. He's a tech character hidden under massive power. Using tech isn't a sign of weakness, and it means nothing except a quick means to an end.
Galactus using tech on lesser characters
Also to the hometurf thing. Galactus didn't want to be ambushed. Quite simple really. That's the most sensible conclusion.
Originally posted by zopzopWhich is irrelevant since Galactus defeated him on his own. Even if it were a fact.Yes it is simple Galactus AND the Spinsterhood took down Tyrant. Galactus doing the heavy lifting and depowering him and then the Spinster's finishing the job by driving him into exile.[/B]
Galactus beat Tyrant on panel, and depowered him on panel.
Originally posted by zopzopHe didn't punch him once...
Everything Galactus tried FAILED. That's why he didnt' continue blasting him or punching him and when he tried his final trump card that failed too and backfired on him spectacularly. [/B]
"Everything" is a good word for using one real attack though.
"Galactus was so utterly incapable of hurting Tyrant in the least that EVERYthing he threw at him did nothing!"
"Woah, pretty impressive. How many attacks did he use?"
"Well, he blasted him... then he ripped his hair out... then he used his tech to try and drain him... so Galactus could never do anything to him!"
Originally posted by zopzopThat has nothing to do with what I just said. Literally nothing.
Wrong. You'd have a point, as would Sr J, if Galactus hadn't previously STATED ON PANEL that he wanted to fight Tyrant on HIS (Galactus'😉 turf! He resorted to his tech after neither physical assaults OR the Power Cosmic did anything of substance to Tyrant.
When you learn to comprehend simple English, get back to me. Until then, keep hanging your hat on DP Tyrant... slashing Galactus' finger... just his finger. We saw how your emphasis on Galactus' sweat drops turned out, after all.
