Classic Mangog vs. Tyrant (depowered)

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Why do you keep calling it as Galactus going physical. He grabbed him and ripped out whatever he grabbed.

The whole thing was 4 attacks total, and the tech. 3 attacks if you don't count ripping out hair as an attack. What an erratic battle.

lol at cutting through his armor and doing nothing to Galactus.

Who cares? It's not like Galactus was below Tyrant. He just used his machines in an attempt to quickly end Tyrant, which didn't work. That's what he does.

Hell, there's the Thanos fight where he used tech, the Secret Wars fight where he threw everyone aside, downed Hulk and took their blasts to no effect... and then used tech to combat them while he "broke off". The two I showed. Punisher robots, Phoenix ending tech, UN, planet eating, etc. He's a tech character hidden under massive power. Using tech isn't a sign of weakness, and it means nothing except a quick means to an end.
Galactus using tech on lesser characters

Also to the hometurf thing. Galactus didn't want to be ambushed. Quite simple really. That's the most sensible conclusion.

Which is irrelevant since Galactus defeated him on his own. Even if it were a fact.

Galactus beat Tyrant on panel, and depowered him on panel.

He didn't punch him once...

"Everything" is a good word for using one real attack though.

"Galactus was so utterly incapable of hurting Tyrant in the least that EVERYthing he threw at him did nothing!"
"Woah, pretty impressive. How many attacks did he use?"
"Well, he blasted him... then he ripped his hair out... then he used his tech to try and drain him... so Galactus could never do anything to him!"

You do realize that it was Galactus that went from PC blasts, to physical assaults to attack him with tech right? He was the one jumping from tactic to tactic and Tyrant had a defeater for everything Galactus threw at him. This isn't something that I'm making up it's right there on panel.

And Galactus did not defeat Tyrant on his own. When they first encountered each other since his exile, he told Galactus to his face : Your interference weakened me to the point of defeat at the hands of peasants. He was referring to the Spinsterhood. Galactus didn't dispute this claim.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That has nothing to do with what I just said. Literally nothing.

When you learn to comprehend simple English, get back to me. Until then, keep hanging your hat on DP Tyrant... slashing Galactus' finger... just his finger. We saw how your emphasis on Galactus' sweat drops turned out, after all.

You said Galactus resorting to tech isn't unsual. I said it is in this case because it came ONLY after his PC blasts AND physical assaults didn't slow Tyrant down. It was also the reason that Galactus STATED ON PANEL he HAD to fight Tyrant on HIS (Galactus'😉 HOME TURF.

Originally posted by zopzop
You do realize that it was Galactus that went from PC blasts, to physical assaults to attack him with tech right? He was the one jumping from tactic to tactic and Tyrant had a defeater for everything Galactus threw at him. This isn't something that I'm making up it's right there on panel.

And Galactus did not defeat Tyrant on his own. When they first encountered each other since his exile, he told Galactus to his face : Your interference weakened me to the point of defeat at the hands of peasants. He was referring to the Spinsterhood. Galactus didn't dispute this claim.

So what you're saying is that Galactus defeated Tyrant, and then the Spinsterhood defeated Tyrant afterwards?
Way to prove me wrong!

Also, I just posted a scan of Thanos who watched the fight saying to Tyrant's face that Galactus defeated him. You have no point.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I feel like I already answered all of this... in the post you quoted...

So what you're saying is that Galactus defeated Tyrant, and then the Spinsterhood defeated Tyrant afterwards?
Way to prove me wrong!

Also, I just posted a scan of Thanos who watched the fight saying to Tyrant's face that Galactus defeated him. You have no point.

No, Galactus' fight with Tyrant weakened him to the point of being defeated by the Spinsters. This is stated on panel by Tyrant himself and Galactus' handbook entry alludes to this. Also Galactus did not dispute this claim either.

^ That doesn't prove Sr J-Bieb wrong.

Originally posted by zopzop
You said Galactus resorting to tech isn't unsual. I said it is in this case because it came ONLY after his PC blasts AND physical assaults didn't slow Tyrant down. It was also the reason that Galactus STATED ON PANEL he HAD to fight Tyrant on HIS (Galactus'😉 HOME TURF.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... it isn't unusual. It never was. It never is. Galactus using tech is not a sign of desperation. Your speculation is just that: speculation. I don't recall Galactus stating anything of the sort. Feel free to post the panel that proves that Galactus' only reason to fight on the Worldship was because Galactus knew he had to use his own tech.

Morg asked Galactus why the hell he'd just let Tyrant "waltz" in on their turf. Galactus said the fight "MUST" take place in his (Galactus'😉 domicile and not Tyrant.

Originally posted by zopzop

^ And... nothing there states that Galactus' only reason to fight on the Worldship was because Galactus knew he had to use his own tech on DP Tyrant. Thanks for disproving your own assertion so quickly. You're good.

Originally posted by zopzop
No, Galactus' fight with Tyrant weakened him to the point of being defeated by the Spinsters. This is stated on panel by Tyrant himself and Galactus' handbook entry alludes to this. Also Galactus did not dispute this claim either.

All it sounds like your quotes of Tyrant is saying is that Galactus beat Tyrant down so bad that he was able to be defeated by lesser beings.
Which is what the quote is saying, no need to try and twist it.

When one being gets ****ing depowered by a tremendous amount, then they lose. Plain and simple. When Surfer drains Hulk of gamma radiation and he results to bruce, he wins. When Galactus drains Tyrant of a hell of a lot of power, then he wins.
This isn't even science. This is stuff a child could look at and get right.

Here it is again though when Thanos tells Tyrant he lost to Galactus:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-22-23.jpg

Also lol at trying to say Galactus didn't beat Tyrant, but the Spinsterhood did when you tried to discredit the Galactus win for being off panel. But now you're using the one line of Tyrant as proof that Galactus didn't defeat him, but only allowed it so the Spinsterhood could. Hilarious.
I hope I'm not the only one who can appreciate this level of reaching.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And... nothing there states that Galactus' only reason to fight on the Worldship was because Galactus knew he had to use his own tech on DP Tyrant. Thanks for disproving your own assertion. You're good.

Morg asked him the reason why, but we all saw the reason. Galactus lashed out at Tyrant with his tech (his third and final attack he threw at Tyrant), that was his ace up his sleeve and it failed.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So after Galactus defeated him, he was beaten by the Spinsterhood. Gotcha

All it sounds like your quotes of Tyrant is saying is that Galactus beat Tyrant down so bad that he was able to be defeated by lesser beings.
Which is what the quote is saying, no need to try and twist it.

When one being gets ****ing depowered by a tremendous amount, then they lose. Plain and simple. When Surfer drains Hulk of gamma radiation and he results to bruce, he wins. When Galactus drains Tyrant of a hell of a lot of power, then he wins.
This isn't even science. This is stuff a child could look at and get right.

Here it is again though when Thanos tells Tyrant he lost to Galactus:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-22-23.jpg

Also lol at trying to say Galactus didn't beat Tyrant, but the Spinsterhood did when you tried to discredit the Galactus win for being off panel. But now you're using the one line of Tyrant as proof that Galactus didn't defeat him, but only allowed it so the Spinsterhood could. Hilarious.
I hope I'm not the only one who can appreciate this level of reaching.

You realize that I'm only quoting WHAT THE WRITER stated on panel through Tyrant right? You also realize that Galactus' own handbook entry alludes to this right? You also note that Galactus didnt' dispute what Tyrant said right?

Galactus did the heavy lifting and the Spinsterhood finished the job. There's no contradiction.

Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that I'm only quoting WHAT THE WRITER stated on panel through Tyrant right? You also realize that Galactus' own handbook entry alludes to this right? You also note that Galactus didnt' dispute what Tyrant said right?

Galactus did the heavy lifting and the Spinsterhood finished the job. There's no contradiction.

Carry on then.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ah. You're just trying to troll.

Carry on then.

Are you serious? Even when I provide the scans you still call that trolling? I'm not disagreeing with you that Galactus' overpowered Tyrant but the Spinsterhood also contributed to his final defeat and exile.

In their first meeting since his exile when Tyrant told this to Galactus, Galactus didn't dispute the story. Then I even provided Galactus' own handbook entry that alludes to this.

Originally posted by zopzop
Morg asked him the reason why, but we all saw the reason. Galactus lashed out at Tyrant with his tech (his third and final attack he threw at Tyrant), that was his ace up his sleeve and it failed.

DP Tyrant's technopathy came out of left field. Galactus using tech could hardly be seen as an act of desperation considering said desperation supposedly resulted from Galactus suffering a lil booboo on his finger. Because that's all that DP Tyrant had done to Galactus at that point. He scratched his finger.

Of course, scratching someone's finger >>>> making someone sweat a bit. No wonder you're so excited.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So after Galactus defeated him, he was beaten by the Spinsterhood. Gotcha

All it sounds like your quotes of Tyrant is saying is that Galactus beat Tyrant down so bad that he was able to be defeated by lesser beings.
Which is what the quote is saying, no need to try and twist it.

When one being gets ****ing depowered by a tremendous amount, then they lose. Plain and simple. When Surfer drains Hulk of gamma radiation and he results to bruce, he wins. When Galactus drains Tyrant of a hell of a lot of power, then he wins.
This isn't even science. This is stuff a child could look at and get right.

Here it is again though when Thanos tells Tyrant he lost to Galactus:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/Tyrant-22-23.jpg

Also lol at trying to say Galactus didn't beat Tyrant, but the Spinsterhood did when you tried to discredit the Galactus win for being off panel. But now you're using the one line of Tyrant as proof that Galactus didn't defeat him, but only allowed it so the Spinsterhood could. Hilarious.
I hope I'm not the only one who can appreciate this level of reaching.

Originally posted by zopzop
Are you serious? Even when I provide the scans you still call that trolling? I'm not disagreeing with you that Galactus' overpowered Tyrant but the Spinsterhood also contributed to his final defeat and exile.

In their first meeting since his exile when Tyrant told this to Galactus, Galactus didn't dispute the story. Then I even provided Galactus' own handbook entry that alludes to this.

Thanos watched the fight, and tells Tyrant that he lost to Galactus. Tyrant doesn't go against this.

Tyrant tells Galactus that he caused his defeat against lesser beings. Which, we already know that Tyrant LOST to Galactus, so that can only mean that Galactus depowered him so bad that it caused an eventual defeat to the Spinsterhood.

Galactus defeated Tyrant by himself. Galactus defeating Tyrant weakened him far enough to be beaten by lesser beings. The Spinsterhood have nothing to do with Galactus defeating him. Galactus has to do with the Spinsterhood defeating Tyrant.

Open and shut case.

EDIT: In fact, Thanos even diminishes the Spinsterhood's accomplishments on panel.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... I think you see what you want to see. And expecting us to see it that way is, frankly, ridiculous. Galactus has used tech before against far lesser opponents. Accordingly, Galactus using tech is not desperation. Galactus never hinted nor stated outright (which was your claim) that he wanted DP Tyrant on his Worldship only because he wanted to use his tech on him. But we all know I'm not going to get you to admit you were wrong, because you'll just pretend you were right.

DP Tyrant's technopathy came out of left field. Galactus using tech could hardly be seen as an act of desperation considering said desperation supposedly resulted from Galactus suffering a lil booboo on his finger. Because that's all that DP Tyrant had done to Galactus at that point. He scratched his finger.

Of course, scratching someone's finger >>>> making someone sweat a bit. No wonder you're so excited.

Tyrant's technopathy did not come out of left field. He was said to control his Fortress (a ship that Surfer said rivaled Galactus'😉 psionically. I'll provide the scan if you want.

I'm not pretending anything. Morg asked Galactus why he would allow Tyrant to "waltz right into their living room", Galactus told Morg that if he was to deal with Tyrant it MUST be on his hometurf and not Tyrant's.

Then later still we see how the fight goes down. Once Galactus realized that the PC and physical assaults didn't stop Tyrant, he plays his final hand, his technology aboard his worldship. Then that fails. Then he's in trouble.

This isn't in dispute because it's all backed up on panel. It was Galactus that STOPPED using the PC to attack Tyrant when it was shown to be ineffective and proceeded to get physical with Tyrant, when that didn't work he used his only other option. This option WOULD NOT have been available to him had the fight taken place at ANY OTHER location. This option was his tech.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You're outright ignoring evidence, and pretending like one statement contradicts another, when it doesn't. It doesn't even come close to contradicting it.

Thanos watched the fight, and tells Tyrant that he lost to Galactus. Tyrant doesn't go against this.

Tyrant tells Galactus that he caused his defeat against lesser beings. Which, we already know that Tyrant LOST to Galactus, so that can only mean that Galactus depowered him so bad that it caused an eventual defeat to the Spinsterhood.

Galactus defeated Tyrant by himself. Galactus defeating Tyrant weakened him far enough to be beaten by lesser beings. The Spinsterhood have nothing to do with Galactus defeating him. Galactus has to do with the Spinsterhood defeating Tyrant.

Open and shut case.

EDIT: In fact, Thanos even diminishes the Spinsterhood's accomplishments on panel.

Of course he diminished their accomplishment. They though THEY were the SOLE reason why Tyrant was defeated and driven into exile. We know this wasn't the case.

It was Galactus that depowered him and then they came along and finished the job by driving him into exile.

They were completely ignorant of Galactus' role and were made aware of that by Thanos.

Still no contradiction.

Originally posted by zopzop
Morg asked Galactus why the hell he'd just let Tyrant "waltz" in on their turf. Galactus said the fight "MUST" take place in his (Galactus'😉 domicile and not Tyrant.

It's akin to beating your son under your roof, as opposed to going to his house and beating him there.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
"If I am to take on my parental role once more, it must be in my domicile... not his"

It's akin to beating your son under your roof, as opposed to going to his house and beating him there.

And why was that? If we follow the series of events in that arc. We see why it "MUST" take place in Galactus' domicile. His final assault consisted of something unavailable to him anywhere else.

Originally posted by zopzop
Of course he diminished their accomplishment. They though THEY were the SOLE reason why Tyrant was defeated and driven into exile. We know this wasn't the case.

It was Galactus that depowered him and then they came along and finished the job by driving him into exile.

They were completely ignorant of Galactus' role and were made aware of that by Thanos.

Still no contradiction.

Did Galactus defeat Full Power Tyrant?

Originally posted by zopzop
Tyrant's technopathy did not come out of left field. He was said to control his Fortress (a ship that Surfer said rivaled Galactus'😉 psionically. I'll provide the scan if you want.

I'm not pretending anything. Morg asked Galactus why he would allow Tyrant to "waltz right into their living room", Galactus told Morg that if he was to deal with Tyrant it MUST be on his hometurf and not Tyrant's.

That's all he said. What's not said: he wanted DP Tyrant on his Worldship only because he wanted to use his tech on him. This is just plain English at this point.

Originally posted by zopzop
Then later still we see how the fight goes down. Once Galactus realized that the PC and physical assaults didn't stop Tyrant, he plays his final hand, his technology aboard his worldship. Then that fails. Then he's in trouble.

This isn't in dispute because it's all backed up on panel. It was Galactus that STOPPED using the PC to attack Tyrant when it was shown to be ineffective and proceeded to get physical with Tyrant, when that didn't work he used his only other option. This option WOULD NOT have been available to him had the fight taken place at ANY OTHER location. This option was his tech.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
"If I am to take on my parental role once more, it must be in my domicile... not his"

It's akin to beating your son under your roof, as opposed to going to his house and beating him there.