Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Well I want to bypass trying to talk sense into you anymore, and just skip to the main point.Did Galactus defeat Full Power Tyrant?
Galactus DID beat full power Tyrant. And the Spinsterhood came along and finished the job by driving him into exile. As stated on panel by Tyrant himself and backed up with Galactus' handbook entry.
Originally posted by zopzopBecause he likens it to a parent. I already said it.
And why was that? If we follow the series of events in that arc. We see why it "MUST" take place in Galactus' domicile. His final assault consisted of something unavailable to him anywhere else.
Originally posted by zopzopSo... what the hell are you trying to argue then?
Galactus DID beat full power Tyrant. And the Spinsterhood came along and finished the job by driving him into exile. As stated on panel by Tyrant himself and backed up with Galactus' handbook entry.
Seriously. You're arguing just to argue.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I trust this scan will actually prove what you're trying to argue. Instead of... y'know... completely not proving it in any way.
That's all he said. What's not said: he wanted DP Tyrant on his Worldship only because he wanted to use his tech on him. This is just plain English at this point. And DP Tyrant's ability to absorb Galactus' attacks directly and usurp Galactus' tech was completely out of left field. And Galactus using his tech was not a sign of desperation. Because desperation does not usually follow from a scratch boo-boo on one's finger. Which is all the damage DP Tyrant did to that point. 👆
No it wasn't it was stated that they have a shared ability to get their power from BSE. It just turns out that Tyrant's ability over BSE > Galactus'. This isn't too far fetched. We know that Galactus can feed on the BSE of a planet without needing to resort to his machines but the machines just make the process far more efficient (Reed stated this during the first Secret War)
Why then did Galactus STOP attacking Tyrant physically AND with the Power Cosmic and resort to using his machines? Oh that's right, because neither of the previous attacks were working.
Originally posted by zopzop
Galactus DID beat full power Tyrant. And the Spinsterhood came along and finished the job by driving him into exile. As stated on panel by Tyrant himself and backed up with Galactus' handbook entry.
not to pile on, but...... why do you keep bringing up of the spinsterhood? 😕 there role was meaningless. be like if g depowered ss to a human and left him on earth then the yancy street thugs beat him until he was unconscious. the gang's role is meaningless....
and, you've already agreed that g won the first fight. are you somehow suggesting that the tyrant that went mano-e-mano with thanos was somehow MORE powerful than the tyrant g originally fought? because it sorta feels like that's what you're alluding to..... if not, just what ARE you saying?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Because he likens it to a parent. I already said it.So... what the hell are you trying to argue then?
Seriously. You're arguing just to argue.
No. I'm merely pointing out that Galactus wanted the fight to take place on his turf and NOT Tyrant's and we later saw the reason why. His final trump card, his tech, would have been unavailable if the fight took place on Tyrant's Worldship.
Originally posted by leonidas
not to pile on, but...... why do you keep bringing up of the spinsterhood? 😕 there role was meaningless. be like if g depowered ss to a human and left him on earth then the yancy street thugs beat him until he was unconscious. the gang's role is meaningless....and, you've already agreed that g won the first fight. are you somehow suggesting that the tyrant that went mano-e-mano with thanos was somehow MORE powerful than the tyrant g originally fought? because it sorta feels like that's what you're alluding to..... if not, just what ARE you saying?
I'm saying that whatever Galactus did to Tyrant in their first encounter was a thing of the past. Since his return from exile "DP" Tyrant forced Galactus to back down and then later went on beat him till outside forces interfered.
They were peers power wise as noted by the writers, each was looking for a way to one up the other.
Originally posted by zopzopYou're arguing that the Spinsterhood beat Tyrant because Galactus wanted the fight on his home turf?
No. I'm merely pointing out that Galactus wanted the fight to take place on his turf and NOT Tyrant's and we later saw the reason why. His final trump card, his tech, would have been unavailable if the fight took place on Tyrant's Worldship.
There's plenty of reasons why he wanted it there. Galactus on panel said why.
Galactus happening to use his tech against him doesn't mean he planned it all along.
Originally posted by zopzopFirst thing's first... and I'm almost afraid to ask this... what's the issue # and was it published before or after DP Tyrant's actual fight with Galactus in Silver Surfer #109?
Originally posted by zopzopYour first paragraph has nothing to do with what I just said. This is turning into a habit.
No it wasn't it was stated that they have a shared ability to get their power from BSE. It just turns out that Tyrant's ability over BSE > Galactus'. This isn't too far fetched. We know that Galactus can feed on the BSE of a planet without needing to resort to his machines but the machines just make the process far more efficient (Reed stated this during the first Secret War)Why then did Galactus STOP attacking Tyrant physically AND with the Power Cosmic and resort to using his machines? Oh that's right, because neither of the previous attacks were working.
Because he doesn't care to resort to fisticuffs? As he himself stated on-panel right when he actually started using his tech? Then again... I'm sure a scan actually showing what someone's saying would be foreign to your sensibilities.
Originally posted by zopzopAnd then you realize the tech was the outside force...
I'm saying that whatever Galactus did to Tyrant in their first encounter was a thing of the past. Since his return from exile "DP" Tyrant forced Galactus to back down and then later went on beat him till outside forces interfered.They were peers power wise as noted by the writers, each was looking for a way to one up the other.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
First thing's first... and I'm almost afraid to ask this... what's the issue # and was it published before or after DP Tyrant's actual fight with Galactus in Silver Surfer #109?
This story, as you can see for yourself, takes place BEFORE his final showdown with Galactus. But both were released the same year 1995.
Your first paragraph has nothing to do with what I just said. This is turning into a habit.Because he doesn't care to resort to fisticuffs? As he himself stated on-panel right when he actually started using his tech? Then again... I'm sure a scan actually showing what someone's saying would be foreign to your sensibilities.
He's "resorted" to fisticuffs with others on his level like the IB and Sphinx. And yet HE was the one that initiated the physical assault against Tyrant when the PC blasts FAILED. Then broke off when that didn't work and used his last means of attacking Tyrant, his tech.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=24441
First thing's first... and I'm almost afraid to ask this... what's the issue # and was it published before or after DP Tyrant's actual fight with Galactus in Silver Surfer #109? Your first paragraph has nothing to do with what I just said. This is turning into a habit.
It came out after.
Originally posted by zopzopI realize, but that was the outside force.
Yes that Galactus attempted to use to save himself by draining Tyrant's BSE into himself. When Tyrant countered this too, Galactus was fugged and needed to be saved.
Galactus looking stupid doesn't mean Tyrant is more powerful than him or could beat him in a fair fight.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=24441It came out after.
But the fight takes place BEFORE the final showdown with Galactus.
^ So how does that prove that DP Tyrant's technopathy didn't come out of left field when it was never established that DP Tyrant had technopathy until the fight itself? Showing me a scan from a comic published after the fight that is meant to be a flashback isn't improving your case.
Originally posted by zopzopWas this your roundabout way of saying that the comic you took the scan from was published after DP Tyrant's fight with Galactus?
This story, as you can see for yourself, takes place BEFORE his final showdown with Galactus. But both were released the same year 1995.He's "resorted" to fisticuffs with others on his level like the IB and Sphinx. And yet HE was the one that initiated the physical assault against Tyrant when the PC blasts FAILED. Then broke off when that didn't work and used his last means of attacking Tyrant, his tech.
So Galactus outright stating that he's above resorting to fisticuffs is not the reason he stopped using fisticuffs. Your treatment of scans and evidence is... just completely backwards.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Is this your roundabout way of saying that the comic you took the scan from was published after DP Tyrant's fight with Galactus?So Galactus outright stating that he's above resorting to fisticuffs is not the reason he stopped using fisticuffs. Your treatment of scans and evidence is... just completely backwards.
What does it matter if it was published 10 years after? The story takes place BEFORE the showdown with Galactus in "comic time". That's all that counts.
My point was that Galactus was BSing when he stated he's above using fisticuffs, since HE was the one that initiated the physical fight after the PC failed AND he's gotten physical in the past with opponents such as the IB and the Sphinx. Seriously, what's so hard to understand?
Originally posted by zopzop... it matters when the point I'm making is that we never saw DP Tyrant's vaunted technopathy until the actual Galactus fight. Hence it coming out of left field. Showing me a comic that's published after the fight doesn't help establish DP Tyrant's technopathy before the fight. Stop being obtuse.
What does it matter if it was published 10 years after? The story takes place BEFORE the showdown with Galactus in "comic time". That's all that counts.My point was that Galactus was BSing when he stated he's above using fisticuffs, since HE was the one that initiated the physical fight after the PC failed AND he's gotten physical in the past with opponents such as the IB and the Sphinx. Seriously, what's so hard to understand?
Sure. Your colorful interpretations of what's stated on-panel should be taken for granted. I'm going to go with what's actually stated on-panel. There's nothing hard to understand about taking the comic as it's presented over your strained interpretations... that are strained.
Originally posted by zopzop
According to the "comics timeline" it takes place BEFORE the final showdown with Galactus.
yes, we can see that the scan supports what you said. but that does nothing to diminish the 'out of left-fielded-ness' that it was AT THE TIME OF THE FIGHT.
zop, do you think tyrant was literally more powerful than g (ie he could replicate all of g's feats) or do you think he was simply shown to be very well suited to battling g in this instance thanks to a couple of never-before-seen abilities that somehow cropped up.....?
