Viking life

Except you havent addressed certain points. You also seemed to have said that Vikings were bigger and had better armour can I have proof please?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i could get deeper into this or i could have made my post far more detailed but i am far from wrong.. if you like we can open another thread involving viking life..

but vikings were responsible for various society if not directly then simply with interbreeding and or simply being absorbed into the culture..

i can sit here and name places and areas in europe where that was the case and societies that tied their culture to vikings in europe..

saxon in england
iceland
greenland
switzerland
germans
etc etc..

i could sit here and spout off about how vikings started to change life styles due to port city and open trade routes where raiding was no longer the preferred method of gaining wealth but trade was now the more likely way of not only gaining wealth but knowledge..

Except some of those examples arent really examples of exploration. The Norse people didn't move to Iceland due to exploration they moved because of persecuation and its not really far enough. The Normans travelled to England and conquered it would you classify that as exploration? The Romans conquered North Africa which isn't that far away from Rome, is that really exploration. If I took the eurostar to Paris would I be exploring?

Also there were lots of people that didn't go anywherel. just because some people travleled didn't mean that most of them did.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

i could use my life MA experience about the goal of sword fighting using my black belt weapons training in sword use.. how the warrior looks for a single opportunity and its not the goal to block and parry like in the movies although we are trained to it is not the focus of the sword fighter.. i could tell you how a sword fight usually ended within a few seconds or few minutes from the engagement.. strictly speaking of the MA not viking method of sword fighting

Do you have documented proof that Vikings didn't fight like this?

Originally posted by Deadline
Do you have documented proof that Vikings didn't fight like this?

I just need to point out that that is a ridiculous statement. People very rarely look around an detail what they see not happening, you should be looking for proof that they did fight that way.

Carry on.

when i was talking about better armor i was talking about compared to the ppl in villages they were raiding on average...

the vikings were prepared for battle while the unsuspecting ppl were not.

the fact that the viking were spreading out more and more is one of the causes for their extinction as a ppl.

and viking did explore the fact that they were looking for land to claim doesnt mean it wasnt.. your arguing semantics.. eric the red is a perfect example.. many viking leaders would take many of their tribe or clan for these sea voyages looking for new land to settle in..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcuZ9hb1Odo

i cant tell you much about the viking method of fighting b/c not much was left behind due to their oral tradition.. i know they were skilled grapplers but to me that has much more to do with their size, their broad sword is really designed for a certain form of combat and the amount of strength needed to wield such weapons did not really leave them very sprite and quick on their feet compared to a light weight samurai sword.. the size and weight of wps and armor actually effects and influences fighting styles a great deal..

but at the end viking sword fighting was not remotely close to that of a samurai the only similar thing they had in common was trying to kill their opponent.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I just need to point out that that is a ridiculous statement. People very rarely look around an detail what they see happening, you should be looking for proof that they did fight that way.

Carry on.

Not really. Im not even saying they did. Essentially my point is hes making assumptions. Carry on.

if you go to the spike T.V. website samuria vs viking you will see guys who studied the viking including their weapons and fighting style.. although the MA's of a viking isnt well known their are some ppl that still practice it like others practice tae kwon do or karate..

you can see that they are not similar nor fought the same way they focused more on size, strength and power.. definitely not overall skill, speed or precision.

http://www.spike.com/full-episode/viking-vs-samurai/31558

Where is Finti when we need him?

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Where is Finti when we need him?

We don't need finti we got me. I'll reply on Monday.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I just need to point out that that is a ridiculous statement. People very rarely look around an detail what they see not happening, you should be looking for proof that they did fight that way.

Carry on.

I see what you did there, but that's not exactly what he meant.

Documentation that shows that they fought differently than what is in question, would show that they "didn't fight like this."

It's simple logic:

Person A assesses that P is true subject 1.

Person B assesses that P is not true of subject 1.

If person B proves that Q is true of subject 1, then person B is correct about P not being true, if and only if Q directly contradicts P.

Therefore, Person B proved that P is not true of subject one. Proving a negative works, "from a certain point of view."

viking sword fighting demonstration...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj-u3J8x598
starwars
i know it doesnt prove anything but still something to think about

Minnesota Vikings?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Minnesota Vikings?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
damn right they settled and claimed the land the US made a deal with them not to go any further by buying them off

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when i was talking about better armor i was talking about compared to the ppl in villages they were raiding on average.. .

Ok...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

the vikings were prepared for battle while the unsuspecting ppl were not.

Again this seems like a generlisation.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

the fact that the viking were spreading out more and more is one of the causes for their extinction as a ppl.

Im sorry but I really think this is nonsense.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

and viking did explore the fact that they were looking for land to claim doesnt mean it wasnt.. your arguing semantics.. eric the red is a perfect example.. many viking leaders would take many of their tribe or clan for these sea voyages looking for new land to settle in..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcuZ9hb1Odo

No no no no. Im not arguing semantics it seems you don't know what you're talking about. Heres what you said.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
more often then not they were explorers who would settle in ares they discovered..

You seem to be using the term exploration incorrectly. If you're arguing that the Vikings were mostly vegetarians and you give examples of Viking eating beef then you can't prove your case. In some of the examples you listed those are not examples of exploration, Also some of the stuff you said doesn't even make sense. When people migrated to Iceland they didn't stop being Vikings and they were still part of the Viking world, so how could moving to Iceland contribute to the eradication of the Vikings?

I guess what you're saying is that lots of the Vikings moved around and migrated and that contributed to the civilization being destroyed, again this a generlisation. There were lots of people in the Viking world that didn't really go anywhere either. How did you come to the conclusion that MOST of them were explorers? Also some of the things you classify as exploration is something everybody did. The Romans used to move around and so did everybody else thats not what caused the Roman Empire and the Celts to lose influence.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

i cant tell you much about the viking method of fighting b/c not much was left behind due to their oral tradition.. i know they were skilled grapplers but to me that has much more to do with their size, their broad sword is really designed for a certain form of combat and the amount of strength needed to wield such weapons did not really leave them very sprite and quick on their feet compared to a light weight samurai sword.. the size and weight of wps and armor actually effects and influences fighting styles a great deal..

but at the end viking sword fighting was not remotely close to that of a samurai the only similar thing they had in common was trying to kill their opponent.

Heres something you posted and some of it doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

i could use my life MA experience about the goal of sword fighting using my black belt weapons training in sword use.. how the warrior looks for a single opportunity and its not the goal to block and parry like in the movies although we are trained to it is not the focus of the sword fighter.. i could tell you how a sword fight usually ended within a few seconds or few minutes from the engagement.. strictly speaking of the MA not viking method of sword fighting

Getting into a fight and look for an opprtunity to strike down your opponent is not exclusive to aisan martial arts you have this in boxing and you have this in all martial arts. Its not something inherently asian, the reason why you have this aspect in all martial arts is because its human nature. I can think of one specific fight were a King got into a fight with a beserker and ended up choping his hand off, now I can't be entirely sure about what his tactics were but I suspect due to the reputation of beserkers he wanted to end the fight as quick as possible. Looking for ways to end the fight as quick as possible and looking for an opportuntiy to strike were most likley things that they did in Viking combat.

Also the beserkers were elite warriors and there were many reports about how good they were. Sometimes the only way to beat them was to wait for them to go out of rage and then sneak up and kill them. Theres also strong evidence that some beserkers may have practiced meditation as well. They may have actually used meditation as a way to get into rage and this is actually something that people do in some forms of kung fu.

Weren't Vikings like all sloppy and shit with their fighting? Like just clubbing away until someone dies?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Weren't Vikings like all sloppy and shit with their fighting? Like just clubbing away until someone dies?

Thats a stereotype some of them were professional soldiers and may have actually taken fighting techniques from The Romans. How on earth would they not have any technique.

no one is saying they didnt have certain techniques and attack patterns.. what ppl are saying they could only do so much with the type of wpns they used and were limited in their actions.. imagine lifting and swinging a broad sword it requires power and may not be as fast as lets say a light weight katana that can be held with one or two hands and allow for faster strikes that didnt require the whole body to help make swings and attacks..

the demos youtube video and the viking practioner wpn guys from deadly warrior both said it was tiring to lift those weapons and use them for a prolong engagement that is a fact

I'll take a samurai or a ninja over a viking any day.

besides a MA'ers know about human anatomy well beyond what a viking would know about or even study.. that is also a heavy reason why a samurai or any MA swordsmen would have more options and opportunity to attack they knew the human body in great detail.. what did the vikings study? did they teach their warriors where each artery in the body is located? where the nerve clusters are located how far a joint could go?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no one is saying they didnt have certain techniques and attack patterns.. what ppl are saying they could only do so much with the type of wpns they used and were limited in their actions..

I don't think that makes it less efficient. Less isn't always a bad thing.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

imagine lifting and swinging a broad sword it requires power and may not be as fast as lets say a light weight katana that can be held with one or two hands and allow for faster strikes that didnt require the whole body to help make swings and attacks..

Vikings also used longswords and some beserkers fought with no armour. 😬

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

the demos youtube video and the viking practioner wpn guys from deadly warrior both said it was tiring to lift those weapons and use them for a prolong engagement that is a fact

Great so that means there fighting method was not good for prolonged combat. Doesn't make it less efficient.

Heres what this guy had to say about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muEPMZTAKs0

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
besides a MA'ers know about human anatomy well beyond what a viking would know about or even study.. that is also a heavy reason why a samurai or any MA swordsmen would have more options and opportunity to attack they knew the human body in great detail.. what did the vikings study? did they teach their warriors where each artery in the body is located? where the nerve clusters are located how far a joint could go?

Don't know. Also that might not have worked on the beserkers anyway.

facepalm2sigh... i agree that an axe could and would smash cut into a lager armor ... i think you missed the point where a actual MA'er sword fighting isnt to take or block an attack but simply to avoid it.. this aint the movies..

i agree with you and i couldnt finish watching the video the guy makes the bully in me foam at the mouth..

okay i agree that a katana sword would have a hard time getting past the chain mail.. an axe or heavy swing sword a samurai wouldnt block they would side step or step into the attack to reach the person.. a good samurai could hit an artery as he moves to the side dodging the swing and hitting an exposed opening like a thigh or throat..
anyways my youtube video is better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kGsQPncKzg&feature=related