Viking life

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

i actually think a fully geared viking armor shield sword has a great chance of taking the majority with a samurai with a single sword or two..in real life but not in comics

my argument really is who is the most knowledgeably skilled one, who has better maneuverability and speed.. .

i think i have to post my prior post just so you guys know who i am siding with and what my argument really was.. this really started with who was more skilled and knowledgeable as well as what type of style was used and that neither is remotely similar to one another..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxYvwEnKRjA&feature=related

anyways this is what started this whole thing.. also notice that in real life i did not side with a samurai but i did side with him in a fiction story due to magic and massive mystic skills..

What does that clip prove, they don't give any evidence that vikings were brute strength alone...

More skilled, we don't know because there aren't actual records of viking technique.

Speed/maneuverability, we'd all like to say samurai but i've yet to see actual evidence for it.

umm.. the fact that ppl who were practitioners and trained with old viking weapons and even they stated it was tiring and required strength to wield such weapons.. also the fact that particular weapons influence fighting styles..

a samurai being trained in the human body and best way to take them down and key areas to attack.. also the fact that my argument was based on a fictional world where such abilities are multiplied ten folds where its basically like watching anime and the viking is still depicted as a dumb barbarian fighting style..

anyways skills is knowledge of weapons and bodies and options and maneuvers.. looking at weapons alone one can come up with a set number and even limitations of each weapon..

damn i posted the wrong link but that clip shows how a samurai swings the sword and how the european swong his broads sword obviously he was putting more weight and strength in his swing then the smooth action of the samurai..

this is the link that started this thread.. and the one i meant to post instead of the clip link

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=531557&pagenumber=4

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
umm.. the fact that ppl who were practitioners and trained with old viking weapons and even they stated it was tiring and required strength to wield such weapons..

anyways skills is knowledge of weapons and bodies and options and maneuvers.. looking at weapons alone one can come up with a set number and even limitations of each weapon..

So then after all the years of training they would be stronger?

Logically, the katana would have more limitations than the long sword

they winded themselves out within a few seconds of a demonstration of viking attack styles and they bn doing it for years.. 😬

http://www.spike.com/full-episode/viking-vs-samurai/31558

a samurai has no shield and allows him to move more freely with a katana and they are trained to fight from various positions.. giving them more attack options from different angles

YouTube video

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
they winded themselves out within a few seconds of a demonstration of viking attack styles and they bn doing it for years.. 😬

http://www.spike.com/full-episode/viking-vs-samurai/31558

a samurai has no shield and allows him to move more freely with a katana and they are trained to fight from various positions.. giving them more attack options from different angles

What time exactly?

Either way I doubt they are trained warriors... training everyday for their lives.

Logically, I'd imagine someone training would get stronger.

Lol @ 11:48

"The Vikings were the largest people on earth. If a Viking came down with a strike like this(demonstrates overhand axe swing), there is no way a little samurai is going to reach that far."

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
a samurai has no shield and allows him to move more freely with a katana and they are trained to fight from various positions.. giving them more attack options from different angles

Katanas are short 2handed weapons that lack ability to inflict damage against someone in chain.

A Viking could simply keep his shield raised and use the swords reach and design and stab the hell out of the samurai.

Or a Viking could drop the shield since the katana won't hurt him in chain and then... wow he is just like the Samurai.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
they winded themselves out within a few seconds of a demonstration of viking attack styles and they bn doing it for years.. 😬

http://www.spike.com/full-episode/viking-vs-samurai/31558

a samurai has no shield and allows him to move more freely with a katana and they are trained to fight from various positions.. giving them more attack options from different angles

its fallacious to assume that the stamina of a few demonstrators on a TV show equals that of a person who's entire life revolved around fighting and who's very existence depended on his ability to win a fight to the death

actually samurias are trained to walk into the attack to disrupt it and get into their exposed body from an over head attack.. thats where the whole thing from stepping into death not fearing death etc etc.. that samurais come from they have to step into danger..

anyways lets look at it like this a samurai and viking with nothing but their swords who do you think would win?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
anyways lets look at it like this a samurai and viking with nothing but their swords who do you think would win?

My opinion is that the katana is inferior to the long sword.

I imagine after a couple collisions between the two swords, the katana's edge would be all messed up.

Maybe dull, chipped...?

Long sword still has the reach advantage ans its double bladed.

It would definitely be up to the combatants skills to than ever as the Viking would no longer be able to tank sword strikes.

with just the swords its no longer a "viking" versus a "samurai", so this discussion is now pointless. . . *kills mood*

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
its fallacious to assume that the stamina of a few demonstrators on a TV show equals that of a person who's entire life revolved around fighting and who's very existence depended on his ability to win a fight to the death

either way we make comparisons of the ppl by what we do know.. and the samurai has more history and feats that can be seen even today by bushido practitioners who are not warriors 24 seven.. there is a japanese show that puts samurai myths to the test to test modern samurai skills .. even today we have seen practitioners slice through arrow in mid flight and block them.. we have seen them cut rubber bb bullets in mid flight.. slice through steel bars.. etc etc.. if a non warrior samurai can do this what do you think a seasoned samurai could do?

http://www.google.com/search?q=samurai+cuts&btnG=Search&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=p&tbs=vid%3A1&sa=2
either way it shows the skills, speed of a samurai training..

if ppl what to make an argument for a viking that is fine throw some evidence examples of what they can do..

ppl say well if the viking hits the samurai he wins of course he wins.. its the same for a samurai if a samurai stabs the vikings throat he wins..

ppl need more then just say he wins b/c he is big and strong. a long sword? so what the sword doesnt mean anything samurai waiting him out picking his attack somehow a charging guy with a shield and axe isnt that scary or very effective against a cool analyzing killer who is studying you as he charges at the samurai.. maybe the viking does hit the samurai before he can move maybe the samurai side steps him at the last minutes and lops off a leg maybe not..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
agreed.. but what evidence are their for a viking? none we use what we can also how do we know those viking practitioners arent in shape? they obviously practice and i would bet your average athlete trained in a fighting weapons style would be physically superior to an ancient man..

Wait, wait, wait. Are you arguing that those guys are fitter than an actual Viking warrior?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Without dying? Sure, most people don't die instantly from a single sword blow.

without being injured? You've jumped right past the crazy anime fanboys who think a katana can cut through a tank.

Nope. I was doing Iron Shirt for about a year and I was able to make my body resistant to blows people where even able to observe how tough I could make my body when I channeled chi to certain areas.

I stopped doing it and I've never met anybody who claimed to do it but due to my experience I can see how it could be possible for somebody who trained their whole life to pull this off.

Originally posted by Deadline
Nope. I was doing Iron Shirt for about a year and I was able to make my body resistant to blows people where even able to observe how tough I could make my body when I channeled chi to certain areas.

I stopped doing it and I've never met anybody who claimed to do it but due to my experience I can see how it could be possible for somebody who trained their whole life to pull this off.

You seriously believe Vikings could be hit with a sword and be totally unharmed based on training to resist punches?

Read it again.

Originally posted by Deadline
Nope. I was doing Iron Shirt for about a year and I was able to make my body resistant to blows people where even able to observe how tough I could make my body when I channeled chi to certain areas.

I stopped doing it and I've never met anybody who claimed to do it but due to my experience I can see how it could be possible for somebody who trained their whole life to pull this off.

I underlined the relevant sections. The point im making is that I was only doing it for year. The point in making is that the more time you spend on something the better you get. I only spent 1 year doing it and had some success therefore its logical that people who have spent their whole life doing it can be even better.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
actually samurias are trained to walk into the attack to disrupt it and get into their exposed body from an over head attack.. thats where the whole thing from stepping into death not fearing death etc etc.. that samurais come from they have to step into danger..

anyways lets look at it like this a samurai and viking with nothing but their swords who do you think would win?

I think the viking would win, keeping distance and thrusting while defense from shield and armor pretty much means the win over the samurai who just plain won't be able to attack through that defense, and if he does will probably be stopped by armor. But the shield is a part of this match, and can't just be neglected.

what match this isnt a samurai vs viking thread and again read my damn post i already sided with the viking from the beginning in this thread and the one the started it..

this thread what suppose to be on the life of a viking and how their culture was lost or why...

also who said a shield is a part of this match? this wasnt put in the OP by anyone and if you want to we can further argue that the thread that had started all this were between two fictional character who only had a sword no shield..

now if you want to argue about the viking then start showing some examples and history of the viking b/c as far as i know the shield was not just the only weapons they used some carried multiple axes, spears swords.. some wore armor some didnt.. some had shields some didnt.. so you saying the shield is part of this match when the thread isnt even about fighting but individual skills, abilities and the life of a viking.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=531557&pagenumber=5

this started b/c deadline wanted to deflect from the real argument of sword handling and b/c i said that vikings were explorers and had spread themselves thin which was one of the reasons they lost their culture along with christian conversion..

also its funny how ppl keep giving the viking every weapon they can think of with why he would win but dont even bother to think what weapons a samurai carries, like bow an arrow, long bladed spear and even up to the 1800's they had single shot pistols as well as horses...

Originally posted by Deadline
Read it again.

I underlined the relevant sections. The point im making is that I was only doing it for year. The point in making is that the more time you spend on something the better you get. I only spent 1 year doing it and had some success therefore its logical that people who have spent their whole life doing it can be even better.

Not well enough to ignore being cut by a sword swung by a competent person they can't. You've made an extraordinary claim, where's your extraordinary evidence?