Originally posted by quanchi112
Beating death in combat isn't a feat. 😂 Being compared to the greatest warriors in history isn't a feat?
What in the blue hell?
a) Death being beaten in combat means: DI Death isn't as powerful as you think it is, which coupled with his lack of feats, makes sense. Kratos has also beaten someone associated with Death. (Charon)
b) Being compared to the greatest warriors in history? Sure, it's a great thing and all, but it doesn't mean much when most of those warriors in history are at most, slightly above Peak Human...whereas Kratos battles beings that are super-human.
Seriously, this is like arguing Shin Gouki against Lara Croft in H2H. It's obvious one has no chance.
Kratos could just walk up to the dude and rip him apart. There's no way Dante's surviving that.
~ Hell, I daresay that the Last Spartan could beat Dante in a melee fight.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNot when you need gear to do so and their weight isn't known to us. We also had Bo outwrestle them with the iron boots so if he can do it who can't.
You have a twisted idea of what a feat is. Throwing something heavy isn't, but being talked abut is...?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenixa)Even though Dante just ransacked hell and lucy said he was the greatest he's ever met out of all of history's great warriors.
What in the blue hell?a) Death being beaten in combat means: DI Death isn't as powerful as you think it is, which coupled with his lack of feats, makes sense. Kratos has also beaten someone associated with Death. (Charon)
b) Being compared to the greatest warriors in history? Sure, it's a great thing and all, but it doesn't mean much when most of those warriors in history are at most, slightly above Peak Human...whereas Kratos battles beings that are super-human.
Seriously, this is like arguing Shin Gouki against Lara Croft in H2H. It's obvious one has no chance.
Kratos could just walk up to the dude and rip him apart. There's no way Dante's surviving that.~ Hell, I daresay that the Last Spartan could beat Dante in a melee fight.
b)So Dante didn't fight anyone superhuman?
Not at all. Kratos gave up in combat when his army was going to be smashed and begged for Ares' help. Dante didn't beg for help at all and actually saved his woman whereas Kratos butchered his whole family because he's stupid.
Compare Lucifer to Zeus and you see how much more fearsome Dante's big baddy was then Kratos'.
Dante definitely hangs with Kratos and can beat him. The scythe is definitely going into Kratos' chest. The thing with Kratos is people keep rezzing him and he keeps dying in every game. The only way dante was defeated was by a cheapshot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not when you need gear to do so and their weight isn't known to us. We also had Bo outwrestle them with the iron boots so if he can do it who can't.a)Even though Dante just ransacked hell and lucy said he was the greatest he's ever met out of all of history's great warriors.
b)So Dante didn't fight anyone superhuman?Not with feats
Not at all. Kratos gave up in combat when his army was going to be smashed and begged for Ares' help. Dante didn't beg for help at all and actually saved his woman whereas Kratos butchered his whole family because he's stupid.And this detracts from what he did later? He killed his dad and his giant grandfather who has a mount on his back unassisted. Kratos was tricked into killing them and also suffered the same curse that effected Hercules in myth. Not sure what this has to do in a fight, so its irrelevant.
Compare Lucifer to Zeus and you see how much more fearsome Dante's big baddy was then Kratos'.Unlike Lucifer, Zeus had feats to compete with Kratos. Lucifer virtually had no feats to suggest he can even contend with Zeus. Zeus sealed the titans in a Continent level blast and a giant in a mountain with lightning. Ares can create pocket dimensions at will and has TK. What has Lucifer done again?
Dante definitely hangs with Kratos and can beat him. The scythe is definitely going into Kratos' chest. The thing with Kratos is people keep rezzing him and he keeps dying in every game. The only way dante was defeated was by a cheapshot.Dante only starred in one game whereas Kratos has starred in multiple. How is dying detracts from what you done in that said games? Kratos was cheap shotted all the time by Ares and Zeus. Kratos only died twice and was still able to burst out of hell.
seriously how is how many times someone died has somethiing to do in a fight? Nothing.
How many of History's greatest warriors has DI Lucifer met?
Where are DI Death's feats? Where are DI Lucifer's feats? Kratos has been impaled with more force that Dante can produce, of this I am quite certain. I've only seen GoW1, and the force I'm talking about did kill him. But apparently he goes on to become much stronger.
Originally posted by PhanterosYes, in this instance he is since no one else has let him loose. He wouldn't lie about being let loose.
And Lucifer is a credible source? Its a title nothing more nothing less. Kratos ransack Hades.
Not with featsAnd this detracts from what he did later? He killed his dad and his giant grandfather who has a mount on his back unassisted. Kratos was tricked into killing them and also suffered the same curse that effected Hercules in myth. Not sure what this has to do in a fight, so its irrelevant.
Unlike Lucifer, Zeus had feats to compete with Kratos. Lucifer virtually had no feats to suggest he can even contend with Zeus. Zeus sealed the titans in a Continent level blast and a giant in a mountain with lightning. Ares can create pocket dimensions at will and has TK. What has Lucifer done again?
Dante only starred in one game whereas Kratos has starred in multiple. How is dying detracts from what you done in that said games? Kratos was cheap shotted all the time by Ares and Zeus. Kratos only died twice and was still able to burst out of hell.seriously how is how many times someone died has somethiing to do in a fight? Nothing.
So everyone in the game is just a bunch of wimps minus feats? Seriously? Lucy laughed off the scythe in his chest yet that's not a feat?
It doesn't detract but it shows the massive help he had. he was killed numerous times when his opponents faced him head on whereas Dante was only taken out once via cheapshot.
Lucifer can take death's weapon in the chest after a prolonged battle where Zeus had to be saved once by Athena and can actually have his head beat in by Kratos and killed in that manner as well. This whole feat thing is nonsense when you play the game you realize you can't just kill lucy by physically assaulting him whereas with Zeus you can end him with either the sword or your fists.
In the third game he was not cheapshotted. He looked Zeus dead in the eyes along with Gaea and was defeated. That's not a cheapshot. Even with aid he lost.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeI can remember Lancelot offhand and would have to listen to him speech again. So since Death didn't fight anyone else we assume he's weak? You do realize feats are nice and all but never determined anything in the grand scheme of things. They are nice and all but how these characters match up is how they win. Lucy can laugh off death's scythe whereas Zeus can't even survive a prolonged beatdown by Kratos.
How many of History's greatest warriors has DI Lucifer met?Where are DI Death's feats? Where are DI Lucifer's feats? Kratos has been impaled with more force that Dante can produce, of this I am quite certain. I've only seen GoW1, and the force I'm talking about did kill him. But apparently he goes on to become much stronger.
Kratos can be killed by less than Ares' toss in part 1. To suggest this is the only force capable of piercing him is just untrue.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I can remember Lancelot offhand and would have to listen to him speech again. So since Death didn't fight anyone else we assume he's weak? You do realize feats are nice and all but never determined anything in the grand scheme of things. They are nice and all but how these characters match up is how they win. Lucy can laugh off death's scythe whereas Zeus can't even survive a prolonged beatdown by Kratos.Kratos can be killed by less than Ares' toss in part 1. To suggest this is the only force capable of piercing him is just untrue.
We use feats to determine just about everything. Feats help determine abilities, who is stronger than who, who is faster, more durable, skilled and so on. And these abilities are what matches them up to other characters.
I'm not going to argue with you about Kratos, I've only seen GoW1. But unless Death's Scythe has some stated/shown property that makes that impressive for Lucifer, then it doesn't help your case.
In part one, maybe.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeWe see the enemies they fight to determine this and so far lucy is far greater than any enemy faced by Kratos.
We use feats to determine just about everything. Feats help determine abilities, who is stronger than who, who is faster, more durable, skilled and so on. And these abilities are what matches them up to other characters.I'm not going to argue with you about Kratos, I've only seen GoW1. But unless Death's Scythe has some stated/shown property that makes that impressive for Lucifer, then it doesn't help your case.
In part one, maybe.
It's deaths weapon. It's not some standard sword or weapon here.
Kratos was far better in combat to avoid getting pierced until he got killed by Ares. Even in giant form without the sword he needed he would have been killed by Ares and can be killed even at his most powerful.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see the enemies they fight to determine this and so far lucy is far greater than any enemy faced by Kratos.It's deaths weapon. It's not some standard sword or weapon here.
Kratos was far better in combat to avoid getting pierced until he got killed by Ares. Even in giant form without the sword he needed he would have been killed by Ares and can be killed even at his most powerful.
And on what do you base this?
The only thing that helps with is monetary value. It's like if I said I had Edgar Allen Poe's pen. It doesn't mean it's any more powerful than a regular pen.
I'm not saying he can't be killed. But I'm told he has taken much more damage than Ares since GoW1.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeCommon sense. I see both characters capable of great things and them resisting being killed left and right. I don't see them unable to be killed or pierced. When I have seen Zeus stabbed it greatly affected him whereas Lucy was pretending it even mattered just to further break down dante.
And on what do you base this?The only thing that helps with is monetary value. It's like if I said I had Edgar Allen Poe's pen. It doesn't mean it's any more powerful than a regular pen.
I'm not saying he can't be killed. But I'm told he has taken much more damage than Ares since GoW1.
Kratos has to resist enemy weapons like he always has just like any video game character. He can be killed and has been killed enough times to prove it.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You overlook Kratos being much stronger than Dante.
And he overlooks Kratos being able to react to Lightning bolts thrown by Zeus, and being able to block weapons with his hands, never mind the Golden Fleece 😐
Originally posted by BloodRain
From what I know Dante is on par with Kratos in all areas but strength. Thats all that's needed.
Kratos is far more durable, and much faster when it comes to movement speed. (thanks to the Boots of Hermes)
He also likes throwing around the Ares Pillar Toss that killed Kratos. I'll simply say that Dante was killed by a knife 😐 Pillar Toss from miles away >>>>>>>> Knife stab.
Originally posted by PhanterosHe does this a lot. haermm
You ignored a huge part of my arguement. Lucifer through out the game virtually is featless while Zeus has feats. Zeus was stabbed 5 times and still standed then Kratos put all the effort in the sixth blow.this whole entire argument you overlooked everything Kratos has done compared to Dante.