Dante (DI) vs. Kratos

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
a) I don't usually attack grammar errors here, but it's 'who lands their attacks on whom', not 'who lands their attacks on who'.

b) When have I ever said Kratos is unbeatable? I said Dante could not beat Kratos, and there's a difference between the two statements.

c) All we saw was a weakened Cronos being attacked by Hades, who then attempted to rip his soul out. It was never revealed whether it was Hades who had weakened him, or whether Cronos had been weakened before fighting Hades.

He had to weaken Death first, then he tore him in half. It wasn't immediate.

As for mastering the Scythe, sure, I'll give you that, but that could be due to the fact that he had previously used a weapon which handled quite like the Scythe did. Also, Kratos has mastered more weapons than Dante has.

Not really. You have yet to prove that Dante is in the same league as Kratos, or that he can cut him. As for him being uncuttable, sure, because I liek totally think Kratos liek cannot ever be cut, EVAR!

Though please, do go on.

Wait, he's Death? I was under the impression that he was this weird little pixie creature that had gone through a severe mid-life identity crisis, and thus had fixed upon its head a skull, while wearing Black Clothes.

So what if he's Death? Is the Death that appeared in DI somehow this powerful being that cannot be harmed except by very very very powerful people?
Zeus is the god of Thunder, and in the Myths, he can do shit that puts GoW Zeus to shame. They are different characters, which is why we use feats, not nonsensical bullshit, to base their abilities.

He's dead when Death comes for him. The knife does not hurt him while he's dead. Notice Dante removing the knife before he fights Death?

As for Kratos being weakened, that was long before he was killed by Zeus, unlike Dante, who died almost immediately from a knife stab. 😆
I guarantee you that Death would have shitstomped Dante, had Death been able to attack Dante while Dante was alive.

Haha. Why not Thanos? I thought you said Dante has never been bested in a fight where he could see his opponent, and therefore could never be bested in a fight against an opponent he could see.
What, are your fanboyish tendencies for Thanos somehow denying your own logic?

PS: I'll let you in on a little secret. You are correct when you say that Thanos cannot be beaten by Dante. Kratos as well, cannot be beaten by Dante, at least until you prove he can.

Bullets don't scratch Superman, and neither did the Lightning bolt scratch Kratos, it just tossed him back due to the force of the blast. Gaia would be someone who got hurt, not Kratos.
Try to stay with me, instead of assuming that getting hurt includes being tossed back. If Kratos had had the wind knocked out of him, or he had been knocked unconscious, then I'd agree with you. He was perfectly fine right after the blast though.

Based on what exactly? Your opinion? Does not mean much here, and now, I'd wager it would mean nothing.

So? Lucifer lost to Dante which you yourself admitted. He was also imprisoned by someone before Dante arrived.

PS #1: You calling him Lucy only makes him seem like a little girl, as opposed to this badass mofo you think he is.

PS #2: Badassery has nothing to do with a character's power level. I think Demitri's more of a badass than Pyron, yet it's obvious that Demitri would lose to Pyron in his true form. As for Hades, nahh, I don't think he is badass. Rather, I think he's a supreme git.

LOLWAT? I act as if Kratos can headbutt houses? Sure, because as we know, you gotta headbutt houses to be considered strong. I wonder what else it was I said that Kratos could do. I know, I must have acted like Kratos could move continents with his hands...no wait, I must have acted like Kratos could fart and blow out the solar system.

Right, because when we decide fights on KMC, we resort to statements from characters and speculative bullshit from the likes of you, whilst completely dismissing onscreen feats.

So if I am a rabid fan, I wonder what that would make you. It definitely wouldn't be something positive as you make BT look smart when he trolls. Srsly.

You acted as if dante simply can't even hurt him which is blatantly untrue. I can live with someone saying Kratos wins because both characters are posterboys for badasses but to think he can't even pierce him shows a true inability on your part to grasp the most simple messages conveyed by the gow creators.

We see Hades can rip his soul out and we then see two gods defeat Atlas. It was a messy battlefield but with Hades' powers and what we saw we can assume his powers can defeat Cronos. That's a given now who wins out of those two in a best of ten is anyone's guess but we do know Hades has to the power to beat him.

Yes, of course he did. It's death and he needed the scythe to even do so. How does he do so prior to actually taking it from him? Soon as he gets it he rips him in half with it which exhibits strength and shows us this guy is extremely strong.

Kratos handled more weapons than Dante and even though the scythe is somewhat similar it isn't the same thing so him. The matchup is decided on who prevails with their trademark weapon not who has mastered more weapons here so it's a case of who is more effective with their weapon to take out the other one.

So we see Dante rip the aspect of Death in half and tear demons limb from limb and go on a massacre in hell only to bury his scythe in Lucy's chest yet I need to prove it can pierce Kratos? What planet do you live on? Honestly, do you think Kratos can take dante's blows without it even harming him?

I seriously think this is far worse than bt's pro Kain stance as this borderlines on lunacy.

Death is obviously a very powerful force in dante's inferno and him ripping him in half obviously is showing us how strong and dangerous dante is. I guess you determined from this scene that he's just a weakling who tore in half another weakling, right? My opinion is backed by common sense and the creators obvious intention yours isn't.

It hasn't been determined whether he's truly dead or not at this point due to the wording at the end of the game. The point is he literally tears apart death right after he realizes his grim situation. His resolve is just as firm as Kratos'. They symbolize two unstoppable forces who go through whatever forces they see or battle against in the game.

Dante was wounded/killed by a cheapshot stab in his back. That's far better than by being killed in direct battle. We haven't seen anyone able to best dante in combat so far. We first see Kratos beg for Ares' assistance when he met a stronger army in actual battle. Begging for aid against a mortal foes to me doesn't suggest superiority by any means.

I said in his game he hasn't been bested and Thanos is out of his league while Kratos isn't. I already told you this so you asking it again shows me that you are slow to catch on and need to ask questions twice to learn something.

Thanos also has powers and durability far greater than any of the characters involved in this thread whereas Kratos and dante are on the same playing field. Did you get it now? If not feel free to ask again.

We see feats which determine them. Kratos could Zeus with his bare hands while dante who ripped death and various demons in half fail to even fatally wound Lucy at the end of the game. No shocked that Lucy is far greater than Zeus but based on what we saw it's not even close.

Lightning will hurt Kratos whereas bullets won't hurt Superman. If you play the game and let the scary lightning hit Kratos it hurts him. Just because one blast which hit Gaea and him at once didn't kill him that doesn't mean he's impervious to lightning now. This is common sense again which you don't seem to get.

PS1--I do that to shorten his name and he wasn't beaten by just Dante but by the souls he freed. That shows he was above being physically beaten by him and he just incinerated his scythe like it was an afterthought.

PS2- Through what we have seen Hades indeed seems like a badass if he can take on Cronos and has the power necessary to defeat him. Who is a badass by your definition?

The point is you dismiss how the character is portrayed in favor of one or two feats and describe this as his standard strength throughout. You're a spiderman fan who thinks spiderman juggles buicks and dismiss how the character is normally portrayed in favor of a few feats and argue the cbr route.

I think Dante has superstrength and durability because he is undead. Before that, he is a highly-skilled Crusader who was killed by a stab in the neck. Though, he doesn't die in the animated movie but that's non-canon anyway.

Oh so that stab did indeed kill him.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I think Dante has superstrength and durability because he is undead. Before that, he is a highly-skilled Crusader who was killed by a stab in the neck. Though, he doesn't die in the animated movie but that's non-canon anyway.

Pretty much. He was a regular human before the stab that killed him, then from that point onwards, he was more than a regular human.

Quanchi thinks that prior deaths and such are relevant to the current versions of characters, so I kept bringing up the knife stab.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Oh so that stab did indeed kill him.

No duh. Why'd you think Death arrived then?

It's like it is in Greek Mythology. The souls meet Charon in the Underworld who ferries them across the River Styx. Typically, you have to be dead to meet Charon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you say you usually don't but do so anyways because you're upset I pwned you with a real explanation by someone who creates these stories. It makes sense to me as you don't seem to understand how these characters are portrayed and like the annoying fanboy dismiss things in favor of a few feats here or there.

Notice how you've made numerous grammatical errors previously and I've not corrected them, but fixed that one previously? Yeah, that's what's known as 'usually not correcting errors'. Pick up a dictionary every once in a while, it'll do you some good.

Lulz lulz. You pwned me? You need a l33tspeak dictionary as well, considering your definition of pwned is faulty.

Also, I forgot it was Kurt Busiek who creates the stories for every piece of fiction there is. I mean, if George Bush Jr. thinks he runs a country terribly, that must mean that all presidents think they run their countries terribly, no? I love the way you think, it makes me laugh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You acted as if dante simply can't even hurt him which is blatantly untrue. I can live with someone saying Kratos wins because both characters are posterboys for badasses but to think he can't even pierce him shows a true inability on your part to grasp the most simple messages conveyed by the gow creators.

Yes, because from what I've seen of Dante, he cannot cut Kratos. I'll gladly admit I'm wrong if you can prove that Dante can in fact cut him.
Instead, all you've done, is to spout random bullshit like 'OMG HE CUTZ TEH ENEMIES, SO HE CAN LIEK CUTZ ANYONES," like you always do when you debate. I can see why your reputation on the Comic Vs. Forum is so poor.

But alright...The GoW creators have shown us that Kratos can parry weapons attacks with his bare hands and blades. So even if Dante could cut him if he struck Kratos, there's no certainty that Dante would even be able to strike Kratos in the first place.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see Hades can rip his soul out and we then see two gods defeat Atlas. It was a messy battlefield but with Hades' powers and what we saw we can assume his powers can defeat Cronos. That's a given now who wins out of those two in a best of ten is anyone's guess but we do know Hades has to the power to beat him.

All we see is a small part of the overall fight. We know that Cronos was weakened, since he was on his knees after the attempted Soul Rip. Kratos has been subjected to the Soul Rip, but he was completely fine after he resisted it, and did not display any signs of exhaustion like Cronos did.
Hence, we don't know if Hades was the one who weakened him (I doubt putting the chains around Cronos' back weakened him), or whether Cronos was weakened prior to his altercation with Hades.
Given that there was a huge ass war going on, and that Cronos was the leader of the Titans, I'd say he was weakened prior to the fight with Hades.

Yes, Hades has an ability that could defeat Cronos, but it's entirely up to speculation whether he could actually defeat Cronos in a fight. Cronos has magical abilities as well, one of which is Electricity.

Hades' soul rip works best when the opponent is weakened. Kratos resisted it, and IMO, it's because he wasn't weakened, as well as due to his drive to kill Zeus and the other Gods.
Kratos had to weaken Hades in their fight, before he could steal his soul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, of course he did. It's death and he needed the scythe to even do so. How does he do so prior to actually taking it from him? Soon as he gets it he rips him in half with it which exhibits strength and shows us this guy is extremely strong.

The hell? He had to weaken Death first with the Scythe, before he could actually kill him. 😐

Yes, it exhibits strength, but we don't know how strong Dante is, since we don't know how durable Death is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kratos handled more weapons than Dante and even though the scythe is somewhat similar it isn't the same thing so him. The matchup is decided on who prevails with their trademark weapon not who has mastered more weapons here so it's a case of who is more effective with their weapon to take out the other one.

We were arguing who has the greater skill in this point, not who prevails with their trademark weapon.
Like I said before, Kratos has the range advantage with his chained blades, which means that Dante will have to get closer in. Quite hard to do so, considering a favored tactic of Kratos is to swing his Blades in arcs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So we see Dante rip the aspect of Death in half and tear demons limb from limb and go on a massacre in hell only to bury his scythe in Lucy's chest yet I need to prove it can pierce Kratos? What planet do you live on? Honestly, do you think Kratos can take dante's blows without it even harming him?

So we see Kratos take blows from 1000 tonners and not get hurt at all, while going on a massacre throughout Olympus, only to WTFPWN every God in his way, yet you still think Dante can hurt him? What planet are you from? Honestly, do you think Dante can strike Kratos and harm him?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I seriously think this is far worse than bt's pro Kain stance as this borderlines on lunacy.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I mean, I think you are a blatant troll with a penchant for dismissing feats and solely relying upon your own twisted, faulty logic, but hey, that's me.
No wait, I'm pretty sure that's the opinion of anyone who's ever debated against you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Death is obviously a very powerful force in dante's inferno and him ripping him in half obviously is showing us how strong and dangerous dante is. I guess you determined from this scene that he's just a weakling who tore in half another weakling, right? My opinion is backed by common sense and the creators obvious intention yours isn't.

Haha, I could easily say Squirrel Girl is a powerful force in Marvel Comics 😐. I mean, hey, she's based on a Squirrel, and she beat Galactus. I don't care if it was PIS or jobbing, since you obviously think that Death is this very powerful force, therefore, Squirrel Girl must also be this very powerful force.
My opinion is backed by your bullshit based on assumptions, while yours is too doped

Originally posted by quanchi112
It hasn't been determined whether he's truly dead or not at this point due to the wording at the end of the game. The point is he literally tears apart death right after he realizes his grim situation. His resolve is just as firm as Kratos'. They symbolize two unstoppable forces who go through whatever forces they see or battle against in the game.

Symbolism plays little part in battles on KMC. Otherwise, everyone, from Dante to Kain, to Link, to Kratos, would be unstoppable forces. 😐 They all overcome incredible odds, and pass their challenges.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dante was wounded/killed by a cheapshot stab in his back. That's far better than by being killed in direct battle. We haven't seen anyone able to best dante in combat so far. We first see Kratos beg for Ares' assistance when he met a stronger army in actual battle. Begging for aid against a mortal foes to me doesn't suggest superiority by any means.

Lulz, and Kratos was killed in direct battle amirite? Zeus killing Kratos was a cheapshot as well, considering Kratos was dealt a fatal blow by the Colossus, and Zeus had to use the BoO to kill him.

We also haven't seen anyone able to best Kratos in combat, once he is all pissed off and what not. As for the Barbarian King besting him, you do realize that Kratos didn't even have the Blades, or indeed anything else, do you? He easily beat BK in the second after he could use the Blades. Heck, he beat the BK in their rematch on the Island of Fate, and the BK was more powerful then.

It's why I think the knife-stab is moot now, since Dante is more powerful by the time the game ends, much like Kratos loosing to the BK is moot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said in his game he hasn't been bested and Thanos is out of his league while Kratos isn't. I already told you this so you asking it again shows me that you are slow to catch on and need to ask questions twice to learn something.

No, you said that Dante is unbeaten without cheapshots, and unbeaten against enemies he can see. The way you put it, it wouldn't matter in the least if Thanos was out of his league or not. He would be beaten by Dante if Dante could see him and if Thanos never used a cheap-shot.
It's just your fanboyish tendencies and ridiculous ego that keeps you from seeing the fault in your logic.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos also has powers and durability far greater than any of the characters involved in this thread whereas Kratos and dante are on the same playing field. Did you get it now? If not feel free to ask again.

Once again, just your fanboyish tendencies lead you to assume Dante is on the same playing field as Kratos, despite Kratos' durability, strength, & skill being higher.
I mean, Thanos has been pierced by Wolverine, so what leads you to assume that Thanos has a higher durability than either of the two? Is it his feats? Or just your fanboyish tendencies?
Do you understand now? If not, feel free to ask me to explain it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see feats which determine them. Kratos could Zeus with his bare hands while dante who ripped death and various demons in half fail to even fatally wound Lucy at the end of the game. No shocked that Lucy is far greater than Zeus but based on what we saw it's not even close.

Lucy-boy was easily imprisoned by Dante, whereas Zeus casually took care of a number of Titans, as well as thousands of soldiers another time, in one shot; while Kratos, who has pwned various enemies, killed 2 Titans & 7 Gods, failed to beat Zeus in 3 of their 4 fights. He needed a plot device to beat Zeus once and for all.
No shock that Zeus is far greater than this poor man's Satan, but based on what we saw, it's not even close.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lightning will hurt Kratos whereas bullets won't hurt Superman. If you play the game and let the scary lightning hit Kratos it hurts him. Just because one blast which hit Gaea and him at once didn't kill him that doesn't mean he's impervious to lightning now. This is common sense again which you don't seem to get.

That particular Lightning bolt never hurt Kratos. It just tossed him back. There's no indication that he was bruised, scratched, cut, knocked out, or anything else. As for Zeus' other lightning attacks, who knows. It hurts him in gameplay, but he can easily block it with his Blades, or avoid it altogether.

Jumping to lightning immunity now are we? First it was "you think Kratos is uncuttable," now it's Lightning immunity.
Please, point out to me where I said he was immune to Lightning.

I love it when you keep using the term "Common sense." To me, it is very ironic, considering you seem to lack it. No surprise, since Common sense isn't very common at all, given by the way you act.

Originally posted by quanchi112
PS1--I do that to shorten his name and he wasn't beaten by just Dante but by the souls he freed. That shows he was above being physically beaten by him and he just incinerated his scythe like it was an afterthought.

PS2- Through what we have seen Hades indeed seems like a badass if he can take on Cronos and has the power necessary to defeat him. Who is a badass by your definition?

PS #1 - Change it to something else. Lucy makes him seem like a little pretty girl. Might I suggest L-Man or something like that?

PS #2 - Someone whose personality and actions/abilities are totally awesome. Hades dreadfully falls short in the first category, and hence, may have badass abilities, but is not a badass.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is you dismiss how the character is portrayed in favor of one or two feats and describe this as his standard strength throughout. You're a spiderman fan who thinks spiderman juggles buicks and dismiss how the character is normally portrayed in favor of a few feats and argue the cbr route.

How he is portrayed has no bearing here on KMC. I didn't make the rules. A number of protagonists are portrayed as one-man killing machines that are basically unstoppable in their verse. Dante (DI), Dante (DMC), Kratos, Link (though he doesn't kill), Kain, Duke Nukem, Doom Guy...and so on and so forth.

We use feats here, not statements, or symbolism. If you think it's wrong, fair enough. Just debate elsewhere.

* Shit, my bad, it wasn't Galactus Squirrel Girl had beaten doh, it was instead thought to be Thanos 😆

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Notice how you've made numerous grammatical errors previously and I've not corrected them, but fixed that one previously? Yeah, that's what's known as 'usually not correcting errors'. Pick up a dictionary every once in a while, it'll do you some good.

Lulz lulz. You pwned me? You need a l33tspeak dictionary as well, considering your definition of pwned is faulty.

Also, I forgot it was Kurt Busiek who creates the stories for every piece of fiction there is. I mean, if George Bush Jr. thinks he runs a country terribly, that must mean that all presidents think they run their countries terribly, no? I love the way you think, it makes me laugh.

Yes, because from what I've seen of Dante, he cannot cut Kratos. I'll gladly admit I'm wrong if you can prove that Dante can in fact cut him.
Instead, all you've done, is to spout random bullshit like 'OMG HE CUTZ TEH ENEMIES, SO HE CAN LIEK CUTZ ANYONES," like you always do when you debate. I can see why your reputation on the Comic Vs. Forum is so poor.

But alright...The GoW creators have shown us that Kratos can parry weapons attacks with his bare hands and blades. So even if Dante could cut him if he struck Kratos, there's no certainty that Dante would even be able to strike Kratos in the first place.

All we see is a small part of the overall fight. We know that Cronos was weakened, since he was on his knees after the attempted Soul Rip. Kratos has been subjected to the Soul Rip, but he was completely fine after he resisted it, and did not display any signs of exhaustion like Cronos did.
Hence, we don't know if Hades was the one who weakened him (I doubt putting the chains around Cronos' back weakened him), or whether Cronos was weakened prior to his altercation with Hades.
Given that there was a huge ass war going on, and that Cronos was the leader of the Titans, I'd say he was weakened prior to the fight with Hades.

Yes, Hades has an ability that could defeat Cronos, but it's entirely up to speculation whether he could actually defeat Cronos in a fight. Cronos has magical abilities as well, one of which is Electricity.

Hades' soul rip works best when the opponent is weakened. Kratos resisted it, and IMO, it's because he wasn't weakened, as well as due to his drive to kill Zeus and the other Gods.
Kratos had to weaken Hades in their fight, before he could steal his soul.

The hell? He had to weaken Death first with the Scythe, before he could actually kill him. 😐

Yes, it exhibits strength, but we don't know how strong Dante is, since we don't know how durable Death is.

We were arguing who has the greater skill in this point, not who prevails with their trademark weapon.
Like I said before, Kratos has the range advantage with his chained blades, which means that Dante will have to get closer in. Quite hard to do so, considering a favored tactic of Kratos is to swing his Blades in arcs.

So we see Kratos take blows from 1000 tonners and not get hurt at all, while going on a massacre throughout Olympus, only to WTFPWN every God in his way, yet you still think Dante can hurt him? What planet are you from? Honestly, do you think Dante can strike Kratos and harm him?

Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I mean, I think you are a blatant troll with a penchant for dismissing feats and solely relying upon your own twisted, faulty logic, but hey, that's me.
No wait, I'm pretty sure that's the opinion of anyone who's ever debated against you.

Haha, I could easily say Squirrel Girl is a powerful force in Marvel Comics 😐. I mean, hey, she's based on a Squirrel, and she beat Galactus. I don't care if it was PIS or jobbing, since you obviously think that Death is this very powerful force, therefore, Squirrel Girl must also be this very powerful force.
My opinion is backed by your bullshit based on assumptions, while yours is too doped

Symbolism plays little part in battles on KMC. Otherwise, everyone, from Dante to Kain, to Link, to Kratos, would be unstoppable forces. 😐 They all overcome incredible odds, and pass their challenges.

Lulz, and Kratos was killed in direct battle amirite? Zeus killing Kratos was a cheapshot as well, considering Kratos was dealt a fatal blow by the Colossus, and Zeus had to use the BoO to kill him.

We also haven't seen anyone able to best Kratos in combat, once he is all pissed off and what not. As for the Barbarian King besting him, you do realize that Kratos didn't even have the Blades, or indeed anything else, do you? He easily beat BK in the second after he could use the Blades. Heck, he beat the BK in their rematch on the Island of Fate, and the BK was more powerful then.

It's why I think the knife-stab is moot now, since Dante is more powerful by the time the game ends, much like Kratos loosing to the BK is moot.

No, you said that Dante is unbeaten without cheapshots, and unbeaten against enemies he can see. The way you put it, it wouldn't matter in the least if Thanos was out of his league or not. He would be beaten by Dante if Dante could see him and if Thanos never used a cheap-shot.
It's just your fanboyish tendencies and ridiculous ego that keeps you from seeing the fault in your logic.

Keep rambling on about grammar maybe you'll convince yourself you won this debate while focusing on misspelled words and commas being out of place.

That's how most fictional writers are whereas fanboys try to blow a vague feat out of context and distance themselves from how their characters are portrayed. That's you.

So him ripping characters in half and storming through his game doesn't tell you he can make Kratos bleed if he gets hit by his scythe? I can't seem to recall any badass weapon just bouncing off Kratos whatsoever.

I could care less about how personal you want to make this. It shows a real insecurity if you want to talk comics, featboy.

Why can't he strike Kratos now? Where do you come up with this stuff?

We see Hades and the gods power is enough to best the Titans. My point wasn't how many fights hades can beat Cronos it was just that he can best him with his powers.

Yes, like all enemies they need to be weakened to kill them. Death was just trying to talk him down at this point because he was weaponless. Dante showed how quickly he can use the scythe coupled with his strength to rip him in half. Ripping someone in half also shows the creators are saying hey this guy's strong but I guess you missed that and needed feats of death, right?

You have to keep in mind though dante's got decent range with his weapon though. I feel dante can definitely resist his ranged attacks just like every boss Kratos faced and that it will get up close and personal.

Yes, because Kratos while formidable also had the benefit of two sides completely mauling each other with him running through it all. The gods weren't just focusing on Kratos they had to focus on the titans. It was everyone vs. dante and he fought against a superuior end boss than Zeus who went down to Kratos' hands.

I like to argue how these characters are portrayed whereas you want to use random feats as their standard strength and dismiss common sense and pretend Kratos can't be pierced like the troll you are.

Sg is a powerful force in marvel albeit a joke but when you argue her showings her record is untarnished. Most biased posters like yourself dismiss what they don't like as pis showing how biased you are. I am not.

You catch my drift and both characters based on their showings would obviously be able to hurt the other one. To suggest otherwise is to show a bias.
Kratos has to win the game just like Dante but the point is dante has yet to be bested in combat whereas Kratos has. Kratos has also had help from the gods, titans, etc. whereas Dante just takes his scythe with his other abilities he acquiered without aid from other powerful forces. Kratos has also been brought back by other forces every time he had died. Dante does stuff on his own whereas Kratos needs a lot more help. This makes dante more impressive.

I knew you'd need me to explain this one more time. Someone who doesn't get things right away would need for me to explain to them that dante can't beat Thanos or the Lt even after I cleared it up already.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
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Once again, just your fanboyish tendencies lead you to assume Dante is on the same playing field as Kratos, despite Kratos' durability, strength, & skill being higher.
I mean, Thanos has been pierced by Wolverine, so what leads you to assume that Thanos has a higher durability than either of the two? Is it his feats? Or just your fanboyish tendencies?
Do you understand now? If not, feel free to ask me to explain it.

Lucy-boy was easily imprisoned by Dante, whereas Zeus casually took care of a number of Titans, as well as thousands of soldiers another time, in one shot; while Kratos, who has pwned various enemies, killed 2 Titans & 7 Gods, failed to beat Zeus in 3 of their 4 fights. He needed a plot device to beat Zeus once and for all.
No shock that Zeus is far greater than this poor man's Satan, but based on what we saw, it's not even close.

That particular Lightning bolt never hurt Kratos. It just tossed him back. There's no indication that he was bruised, scratched, cut, knocked out, or anything else. As for Zeus' other lightning attacks, who knows. It hurts him in gameplay, but he can easily block it with his Blades, or avoid it altogether.

Jumping to lightning immunity now are we? First it was "you think Kratos is uncuttable," now it's Lightning immunity.
Please, point out to me where I said he was immune to Lightning.

I love it when you keep using the term "Common sense." To me, it is very ironic, considering you seem to lack it. No surprise, since Common sense isn't very common at all, given by the way you act.

PS #1 - Change it to something else. Lucy makes him seem like a little pretty girl. Might I suggest L-Man or something like that?

PS #2 - Someone whose personality and actions/abilities are totally awesome. Hades dreadfully falls short in the first category, and hence, may have badass abilities, but is not a badass.

How he is portrayed has no bearing here on KMC. I didn't make the rules. A number of protagonists are portrayed as one-man killing machines that are basically unstoppable in their verse. Dante (DI), Dante (DMC), Kratos, Link (though he doesn't kill), Kain, Duke Nukem, Doom Guy...and so on and so forth.

We use feats here, not statements, or symbolism. If you think it's wrong, fair enough. Just debate elsewhere. [/B]

He wasn't easily imprisoned he was imprisoned due to the souls aiding him. On dante's own he couldn't best or even hurt him. Lucy just disintegrated his weapon after it was in his chest. Zeus needs to be saved by Athena in part 1 and flees like a coward.

In part 3 he get beat on in the first part of their fight but when everything comes tumbling down he lets Zeus go only to crush him later with his bare hands again. Zeus was afraid of him and rightly so and after Kratos kicking his ass for two games we can see why.

Lucy is only imprisoned in hell because let's face it him escaping is no small feat and only made possible by Dante's actions. That's a badass and even at the end of the game we still see him screwing around at the end of the game.

The lightning blast knocked him back and we didn't see it just hit Kratos alone just the general area he and Gaea were in. To think the blast only effected him similar to a strong wind and that it can barely hurt him is further proof of your delusions. I guess everything that hurts him in the game doesn't count either right? LOL.

PS1-No.

PS2-So he's a personality badass but a badass nonetheless. Concession accepted.

You're misrepresenting how the character is portrayed based on a few feats. I will debate here. Thanks.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
* Shit, my bad, it wasn't Galactus Squirrel Girl had beaten doh, it was instead thought to be Thanos 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's not canon to the real Thanos.

Originally posted by ares834

Too long to read all that so ill ask.. again. What are Dante's strength feats?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dante's skill is pretty high end as well since he mastered the scythe as soon as he acquired it. His strength feat with his weapon more than make it possible for him to kill Kratos.

Keep rambling on about grammar maybe you'll convince yourself you won this debate while focusing on misspelled words and commas being out of place.

That's how most fictional writers are whereas fanboys try to blow a vague feat out of context and distance themselves from how their characters are portrayed. That's you.

So him ripping characters in half and storming through his game doesn't tell you he can make Kratos bleed if he gets hit by his scythe? I can't seem to recall any badass weapon just bouncing off Kratos whatsoever.

I could care less about how personal you want to make this. It shows a real insecurity if you want to talk comics, featboy.

Why can't he strike Kratos now? Where do you come up with this stuff?

We see Hades and the gods power is enough to best the Titans. My point wasn't how many fights hades can beat Cronos it was just that he can best him with his powers.

Yes, like all enemies they need to be weakened to kill them. Death was just trying to talk him down at this point because he was weaponless. Dante showed how quickly he can use the scythe coupled with his strength to rip him in half. Ripping someone in half also shows the creators are saying hey this guy's strong but I guess you missed that and needed feats of death, right?

You have to keep in mind though dante's got decent range with his weapon though. I feel dante can definitely resist his ranged attacks just like every boss Kratos faced and that it will get up close and personal.

Yes, because Kratos while formidable also had the benefit of two sides completely mauling each other with him running through it all. The gods weren't just focusing on Kratos they had to focus on the titans. It was everyone vs. dante and he fought against a superuior end boss than Zeus who went down to Kratos' hands.

I like to argue how these characters are portrayed whereas you want to use random feats as their standard strength and dismiss common sense and pretend Kratos can't be pierced like the troll you are.

Sg is a powerful force in marvel albeit a joke but when you argue her showings her record is untarnished. Most biased posters like yourself dismiss what they don't like as pis showing how biased you are. I am not.

You catch my drift and both characters based on their showings would obviously be able to hurt the other one. To suggest otherwise is to show a bias.
Kratos has to win the game just like Dante but the point is dante has yet to be bested in combat whereas Kratos has. Kratos has also had help from the gods, titans, etc. whereas Dante just takes his scythe with his other abilities he acquiered without aid from other powerful forces. Kratos has also been brought back by other forces every time he had died. Dante does stuff on his own whereas Kratos needs a lot more help. This makes dante more impressive.

I knew you'd need me to explain this one more time. Someone who doesn't get things right away would need for me to explain to them that dante can't beat Thanos or the Lt even after I cleared it up already.

Nahh. Show me other strength feats, before claiming something like you normally do.
I can easily claim that Kratos is uncuttable by anyone (which is not the case). You need to prove your claims.

There's no need for me to convince myself I've won a debate with a blind rabid troll who doesn't know when he's lost. As for grammar errors, sure, because I like totally need to focus on your grammar errors to pwn you, despite repeatedly pwning you otherwise.

You had pegged yourself when you said fanboy, my friend. Fanboys are people such as yourself. People who are incredibly biased towards something (the way you are biased towards Thanos and indeed any character you like), and using claims and senseless bullshit to debate, all while relying upon their own, severely flawed, understanding.

So Kratos taking heavy hits left & right without much damage and storming through his game doesn't tell you Dante can't make Kratos bleed if he gets hit by his scythe? I can't seem to recall the Scythe hurting everyone Dante used it against.

Who said I was making this personal? Nahh man, you're just assuming this is personal. Shows me how insecure you are.
I have no interest in personally attacking a fool such as you, as it's a waste of time. In a debate, the only factor that matters is intelligence, something you repeatedly demonstrate a severe lack of. To be honest, I actually pity you.

The GoW creators have shown us that Kratos can parry weapons attacks with his bare hands and blades. So even if Dante could cut him if he struck Kratos, there's no certainty that Dante would even be able to strike Kratos in the first place as Kratos could parry his attacks.
Yeah, the GoW creators came up with this stuff doped

No, we see that clever use of teamwork is enough to best the Titans and the Gods as well. How is Hades besting Cronos, if Cronos was already weakened before their fight?

Okay, so since Dante can rip something in half, he must be strong.
So since I rip an orange in half, that must mean I'm super duper strong as well right?
Starting to see the fault in your logic yet? If not, it's okay, I'll give more examples.
I can chop a piece of wood in half. Yet again, I'm super duper strong.
I can bend a rod in half. Yet again, I'm super duper strong.
I can break a bunch of sticks in half. Yet again, I'm super duper strong.

Kratos' range is far better than Dante's though. As for Dante resisting the attacks like the bosses do, nahh. He isn't as strong as the Gods are. Not to mention, it's just a gameplay limitation when the Bosses are not always stunned by our strikes. Tis' known as "Juggernaut" Status.

Nahh, Kratos pretty much had to fend off the Titans as well. Notice Perses and Gaia trying to attack Kratos? Yeah, it was pretty much him against everyone as well. He didn't take out everyone like Dante did, but that doesn't matter, since he took out a fair number of big players like Gaia, Perses, Cronos & the Gods, who are better than the big players Dante faced.
As for Lucifer being better than Zeus, nahh. I say that Kratos needed a plot device to beat Zeus, whereas Lucifer was easily resealed.

Arguing how these characters are portrayed is faulty logic, not to mention, against the rules here in KMC. We use feats, not portrayals, to debate a character's abilities, and hence how they would fare when matched up against someone else. For someone who has been here for 3 years, that little rule hasn't sunk in yet, has it? I'm not surprised.

Yes, but she isn't powerful enough to contend with the likes of Terrax and such. So yeah, PIS. Her beating Thanos is PIS as well, but since you don't believe in PIS, I guess that Thanos would actually lose to Squirrel Girl then. Which would mean Squirrel Girl > Thanos.

No, to repeatedly ignore feats and to allow personal opinions into a fight is to show bias. I might be acting a little biased towards Kratos, but you take bias to a new level, when you state that portrayals and such bullshit are what guarantees Dante a victory.

Kratos was bested in combat years ago. He hasn't been bested since. He's had years of combat experience with the Blades, whereas Dante has had at best, a year of experience with the Scythe.
It's like it is with the Knife stab. You act like moot events are still relevant. If a simple knife stab could kill Dante, Kratos won't have much trouble killing Dante.

No need to explain it again. It's perfectly clear from your earlier logic that Dante would beat Thanos, provided Dante could see Thanos, and Thanos never used a cheap shot.
Yet, your later posts suggest something else. Paradoxical almost. If your logic concerning Dante was correct (which it isn't), I'd say you were unbelievably biased towards Thanos or any character you like (which even though said logic isn't correct, you still are unbelievably biased).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Skill doesn't determine this it's determine by who is more effective as both have mastered their weapons.

He wasn't easily imprisoned he was imprisoned due to the souls aiding him. On dante's own he couldn't best or even hurt him. Lucy just disintegrated his weapon after it was in his chest. Zeus needs to be saved by Athena in part 1 and flees like a coward.

In part 3 he get beat on in the first part of their fight but when everything comes tumbling down he lets Zeus go only to crush him later with his bare hands again. Zeus was afraid of him and rightly so and after Kratos kicking his ass for two games we can see why.

Lucy is only imprisoned in hell because let's face it him escaping is no small feat and only made possible by Dante's actions. That's a badass and even at the end of the game we still see him screwing around at the end of the game.

The lightning blast knocked him back and we didn't see it just hit Kratos alone just the general area he and Gaea were in. To think the blast only effected him similar to a strong wind and that it can barely hurt him is further proof of your delusions. I guess everything that hurts him in the game doesn't count either right? LOL.

PS1-No.

PS2-So he's a personality badass but a badass nonetheless. Concession accepted.

You're misrepresenting how the character is portrayed based on a few feats. I will debate here. Thanks.

That's not canon to the real Thanos.

No, you think skill doesn't determine this. I couldn't care less what you think, since I know you are almost always wrong.
Kratos has had more years of experience with his weapon, so yes, skill matters, and Kratos has more skill.

Lucy was easily imprisoned because he was imprisoned by the likes of Dante and some random souls. Heck, his prison was made of his tears 😆
Zeus never needed to be saved by Athena in Part 1.
As for Zeus being stabbed by Kratos in Part 2, yeah, that was because Kratos suckered him in. Lucifer doesn't need to be suckered in by Dante to be beaten, but Zeus did.

Zeus aimed the Lightning Bolt straight at Kratos. 😐 You can even see the Lightning Bolt travel right towards Kratos. It was due to the power of the bolt that the entire arena was caught in the blast, while Gaia was hurt, and Kratos was thrown back.

Also, the hell? A person gets hurt if they are cut, scratched, bruised, knocked unconscious or such, not if they are only thrown back due to force. Just how dense are you?
Sure, because a normal strong breeze would cause the arm of a Titan to get damaged heavily. LOLOLOLOLOL.

PS #1 - L-man is more manly than Lucy.

PS #2 - In your wet dreams. Hades is a git, but has a cool ability. Lucy boy is a supreme git as well, but has badass abilities. I accept your concession. Oh wait, you are a rabid troll, thus you'd never concede..

I interpreting him just perfectly based on KMC's rules.
Cool. It will give me a source of lulz, not to mention, more people will know of your trollish tendencies.

It's ambiguous. One source says that Squirrel Girl pwned the real Thanos, another instance tells us that it was apparently a clone.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Too long to read all that so ill ask.. again. What are Dante's strength feats?

As far as quanchi112 has mentioned, ripping death in half with Death's scythe shows that Dante is extremely strong.

Also, dude, srsly, read the whole thing. It's good for teh lulz. I pwomise!

So.. Dante's physically weaker? Then he loses as Kratos is simple a Dante+

Can tell by the Squirrel Girl strip popping up out of the blue

That's just the cream of the crop. Much more lulz awaits ye. 313

Originally posted by BloodRain
Too long to read all that so ill ask.. again. What are Dante's strength feats?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nahh. Show me other strength feats, before claiming something like you normally do.
I can easily claim that Kratos is uncuttable by anyone (which is not the case). You need to prove your claims.

There's no need for me to convince myself I've won a debate with a blind rabid troll who doesn't know when he's lost. As for grammar errors, sure, because I like totally need to focus on your grammar errors to pwn you, despite repeatedly pwning you otherwise.

You had pegged yourself when you said fanboy, my friend. Fanboys are people such as yourself. People who are incredibly biased towards something (the way you are biased towards Thanos and indeed any character you like), and using claims and senseless bullshit to debate, all while relying upon their own, severely flawed, understanding.

So Kratos taking heavy hits left & right without much damage and storming through his game doesn't tell you Dante can't make Kratos bleed if he gets hit by his scythe? I can't seem to recall the Scythe hurting everyone Dante used it against.

Who said I was making this personal? Nahh man, you're just assuming this is personal. Shows me how insecure you are.
I have no interest in personally attacking a fool such as you, as it's a waste of time. In a debate, the only factor that matters is intelligence, something you repeatedly demonstrate a severe lack of. To be honest, I actually pity you.

The GoW creators have shown us that Kratos can parry weapons attacks with his bare hands and blades. So even if Dante could cut him if he struck Kratos, there's no certainty that Dante would even be able to strike Kratos in the first place as Kratos could parry his attacks.
Yeah, the GoW creators came up with this stuff doped

No, we see that clever use of teamwork is enough to best the Titans and the Gods as well. How is Hades besting Cronos, if Cronos was already weakened before their fight?

Okay, so since Dante can rip something in half, he must be strong.
So since I rip an orange in half, that must mean I'm super duper strong as well right?
Starting to see the fault in your logic yet? If not, it's okay, I'll give more examples.
I can chop a piece of wood in half. Yet again, I'm super duper strong.
I can bend a rod in half. Yet again, I'm super duper strong.
I can break a bunch of sticks in half. Yet again, I'm super duper strong.

Kratos' range is far better than Dante's though. As for Dante resisting the attacks like the bosses do, nahh. He isn't as strong as the Gods are. Not to mention, it's just a gameplay limitation when the Bosses are not always stunned by our strikes. Tis' known as "Juggernaut" Status.

Nahh, Kratos pretty much had to fend off the Titans as well. Notice Perses and Gaia trying to attack Kratos? Yeah, it was pretty much him against everyone as well. He didn't take out everyone like Dante did, but that doesn't matter, since he took out a fair number of big players like Gaia, Perses, Cronos & the Gods, who are better than the big players Dante faced.
As for Lucifer being better than Zeus, nahh. I say that Kratos needed a plot device to beat Zeus, whereas Lucifer was easily resealed.

Arguing how these characters are portrayed is faulty logic, not to mention, against the rules here in KMC. We use feats, not portrayals, to debate a character's abilities, and hence how they would fare when matched up against someone else. For someone who has been here for 3 years, that little rule hasn't sunk in yet, has it? I'm not surprised.

Yes, but she isn't powerful enough to contend with the likes of Terrax and such. So yeah, PIS. Her beating Thanos is PIS as well, but since you don't believe in PIS, I guess that Thanos would actually lose to Squirrel Girl then. Which would mean Squirrel Girl > Thanos.

No, to repeatedly ignore feats and to allow personal opinions into a fight is to show bias. I might be acting a little biased towards Kratos, but you take bias to a new level, when you state that portrayals and such bullshit are what guarantees Dante a victory.

Kratos was bested in combat years ago. He hasn't been bested since. He's had years of combat experience with the Blades, whereas Dante has had at best, a year of experience with the Scythe.
It's like it is with the Knife stab. You act like moot events are still relevant. If a simple knife stab could kill Dante, Kratos won't have much trouble killing Dante.

No need to explain it again. It's perfectly clear from your earlier logic that Dante would beat Thanos, provided Dante could see Thanos, and Thanos never used a cheap shot.
Yet, your later posts suggest something else. Paradoxical almost. If your logic concerning Dante was correct (which it isn't), I'd say you were unbelievably biased towards Thanos or any character you like (which even though said logic isn't correct, you still are unbelievably biased).

I use common sense and the manner in which these characters are portrayed. You seem to be under the impression no one could hurt Kratos and that Dante is shown to be an incredibly weak character. This to me shows you haven't played the games, are biased, or really don't comprehend the games.

Just like Kratos couldn't beat everyone he faced with his blades alone. His scythe cut Lucy and far less can inflict damage upon Kratos. Point proven.

You can pity someone who gets the creators intent in these games it only makes you ignorant which indeed you are.

Yes, Kratos can in cut scenes where he has to, but he's also shown us he can't parry and block all weapons either throughout the bulk of the games so like usual you don't want to take Kratos how he is normally portrayed throughout the games. He might parry and attack or two but here comes another one. This comes down to who hits the other character. Both can kill the other one. You favor Kratos I get that but you also downplay Dante and pretend he can't even pierce him which is simply ignorance.

How do we know he wasn't weakened by hades himself? I mean do you think before you post sometimes because apparently you don't.

So now you're comparing an orange to Death. LOL. I guess in your world it's a fair comparison just not anyone in reality.

How do you know he isn't as strong as the gods? How do you honestly know? We have also seen grunts able to kill Kratos hence the actual game. We know it won't happen due to his strength, skill, etc. but please don't act like no one can kill Kratos now let alone Dante?

He took out Cronos and Gaes by being inside of them and attacking them while they stood there helpless. I mean come on here. If he can just cut her heart while she just stands there what else is going to happen?

So wait a minute even though in the end it was his fists which dealt the final blow now it's a plot device whereas the souls he collected weren't? Hahahahahahahahaahahahah.

His trademark weapon was easily dismissed while Kratos tossed his down because he needed need it to kill him.

So we don't take into consideration how they are portrayed and rely on feats which falsely portray a character? LOL.

It's not can anyways but the point is you cannot debate about Sg if you dismiss all her feats, Mr feat.

According to you feats matter unless you don't like them and then they don't count which makes you biased.

I said I favor Dante but it's not bias this is a close fight and one in which I seem him prevailing. Both are tremendous warriors and I think Dante takes the nod here.

So you just destroyed your own side of the argument and stated Dante needs less time to master his weapon than Kratos. Ok.

The statement was made in regards to characters on his level and you took it like Dante could beat any other fictional character which shows ignorance yet again.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No, you think skill doesn't determine this. I couldn't care less what you think, since I know you are almost always wrong.
Kratos has had more years of experience with his weapon, so yes, skill matters, and Kratos has more skill.

Lucy was easily imprisoned because he was imprisoned by the likes of Dante and some random souls. Heck, his prison was made of his tears 😆
Zeus never needed to be saved by Athena in Part 1.
As for Zeus being stabbed by Kratos in Part 2, yeah, that was because Kratos suckered him in. Lucifer doesn't need to be suckered in by Dante to be beaten, but Zeus did.

Zeus aimed the Lightning Bolt straight at Kratos. 😐 You can even see the Lightning Bolt travel right towards Kratos. It was due to the power of the bolt that the entire arena was caught in the blast, while Gaia was hurt, and Kratos was thrown back.

Also, the hell? A person gets hurt if they are cut, scratched, bruised, knocked unconscious or such, not if they are only thrown back due to force. Just how dense are you?
Sure, because a normal strong breeze would cause the arm of a Titan to get damaged heavily. LOLOLOLOLOL.

PS #1 - L-man is more manly than Lucy.

PS #2 - In your wet dreams. Hades is a git, but has a cool ability. Lucy boy is a supreme git as well, but has badass abilities. I accept your concession. Oh wait, you are a rabid troll, thus you'd never concede..

I interpreting him just perfectly based on KMC's rules.
Cool. It will give me a source of lulz, not to mention, more people will know of your trollish tendencies.

It's ambiguous. One source says that Squirrel Girl pwned the real Thanos, another instance tells us that it was apparently a clone.

As far as quanchi112 has mentioned, ripping death in half with Death's scythe shows that Dante is extremely strong.

Also, dude, srsly, read the whole thing. It's good for teh lulz. I pwomise!

Zeus didn't come after Kratos in part 1. Zeus didn't become fearful of Kratos until the box was opened at the end of part 1. Zeus then depowered him and still got crushed at the end of the game. Athena jumped in front and took the blade meant for Zeus. I guess you don't play games you vehemently debate for or against. Laughs. Lucy was only imprisoned and the scythe couldn't phase him whereas Kratos tossed his weapons aside and beat the life from his opponent. Hmmm, who seems more formidable? LOL.

It hit the general area. This included Kratos and Gaea. It still hurt him. To suggest it didn't is again living in your own fantasy world.

I can be pushed and feel pain from the violent push but not be as damaged as someone slashed, etc. How dense are you?It's called sarcasm.

PS1-Don't care.
PS2-You admitted he's a badass who lacked personality which means I didn't care for him so he's tough but not cool enough in my eyes to consider him a likeable badass so he's not an actual badass. Even your definition of badass has to do with bias.

It's a joke aimed at starlin. Of course you are clueless about it but what aren't you clueless about.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Ripping death in half, piercing Lucy, and his various strength feats throughout the game.[/qoute] not as significant as stopping Chronos from crushing Kratos and gutting him.

I use common sense and the manner in which these characters are portrayed. You seem to be under the impression no one could hurt Kratos and that Dante is shown to be an incredibly weak character. This to me shows you haven't played the games, are biased, or really don't comprehend the games.

This coming from a guy that thinks Link is weak and have barely just a while a go start playing the games. maybe he has played it and knows Dante is significantly weaker than most characters used commonly in KMC.

[quote]Yes, Kratos can in cut scenes where he has to, but he's also shown us he can't parry and block all weapons either throughout the bulk of the games so like usual you don't want to take Kratos how he is normally portrayed throughout the games. He might parry and attack or two but here comes another one. This comes down to who hits the other character. Both can kill the other one. You favor Kratos I get that but you also downplay Dante and pretend he can't even pierce him which is simply ignorance.

How do we know he wasn't weakened by hades himself? I mean do you think before you post sometimes because apparently you don't.

So now you're comparing an orange to Death. LOL. I guess in your world it's a fair comparison just not anyone in reality.

He took out Cronos and Gaes by being inside of them and attacking them while they stood there helpless. I mean come on here. If he can just cut her heart while she just stands there what else is going to happen?

said I favor Dante but it's not bias this is a close fight and one in which I seem him prevailing. Both are tremendous warriors and I think Dante takes the nod here.

So you just destroyed your own side of the argument and stated Dante needs less time to master his weapon than Kratos. Ok.

Originally posted by Phanteros
This coming from a guy that thinks Link is weak and have barely just a while a go start playing the games. maybe he has played it and knows Dante is significantly weaker than most characters used commonly in KMC.

Funny you seem to Portray Dante out of the game gives us. He was mocking your down play of Kratos being killed to times by mentioning how Dante was killed by a insignificant weapon.

Heres a counter. how do we if he was even weaken at all?

apparently you don't understand the metaphor he was trying to make.

He was able to pierce Chronos.

based on what?

Relevancy is where?

Dante was much more formidable in the games than Kratos was. feel free to disagree but he didn't need powers of various gods and to be rezzed left and right and an entire army backing him up in gow3.

It was phonix's claim but good point. I for one think something happened prior to the claws almost finishing off Cronos but it's speculation either way.

I do understand what he was attempting to do. The obvious point of the game is the guy's the biggest badass warrior and was able to release Lucy, fight and defeat whatever gets in his path, and is a strong skilled badass with a scythe. Is this incorrect in how he was portrayed?

Why can't Dante pierce him as well from inside his stomach?

He was citing Kratos' experience as proof of his advantage but it actually showed dante's quicker to master weapons and doesn't need the years apparently Kratos needed after Ares saved his life.