Dante (DI) vs. Kratos

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, if you play the games you do realize isn't superstrong he needs gear to do the things he does which someone else previously did. Wow.

He was citing Kratos' experience as proof of his advantage but it actually showed dante's quicker to master weapons and doesn't need the years apparently Kratos needed after Ares saved his life.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Not in TP he doesn't.

I guess Superman is weaker than Bruce Wayne because he has more powers from what you are arguing.

I was referring to Dante's feats.

has Dante fought someone bigger than a mountain?

I asked what it has to do with the fight not what DP said.

This makes no sense at all.

I was speaking about his feats and you claim they don't prove he's a strong character, right?

So Kratos fleeing from his enemy and using helio's head to blind him is proof he can best him straight up? He needed to get swallowed to defeat him due to his sheer size advantage.

If Dante gets swallowed the same thing happens and we already saw Hades show the power necessary to best Cronos.

Nothing. I think Dante wins this due to his superior weapon and the skillset to pull it off against Kratos.

Originally posted by quanchi112

This makes no sense at all.

o Kratos fleeing from his enemy and using helio's head to blind him is proof he can best him straight up? He needed to get swallowed to defeat him due to his sheer size advantage.

If Dante gets swallowed the same thing happens and we already saw Hades show the power necessary to best Cronos.[quote] You based this on noting

Nothing. I think Dante wins this due to his superior weapon and the skillset to pull it off against Kratos. [/B]

Originally posted by Phanteros
Neither was that comment on powers hence why I made that comparison.

way to use gameplay mechanics and that doesn't prove Kratos is weak at all. Kratos was force to cut his way out because you know he was swallowed? mmmmm?

what? Hade's feat used a combination of strength and soul ****ing. The strength Dante hasn't demonstrated from my recall.

Surperior weapon and Skillset? Kratos has faster striking time than What Dante shown and neither weapon has shown the ability to overcome the other except Kratos' is more versatile than Dante's.

Kratos didn't significantly hurt Cronos until he cut his way our of him Hmmmm.

It was his claws which did the feat not his strength. It was the powers he had due to his weapons and his role as lord of the dead.

I said Dante has the better weapon and the skillset with that weapon to defeat Kratos. How is he faster than dante? What are you basing this off of?

Ripping death in half, piercing Lucy, and his various strength feats throughout the game.

Have to ask, what has he got over Kratos because right now all the advantages are his.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, my comment made sense yours didn't.

Kratos didn't significantly hurt Cronos until he cut his way our of him Hmmmm.

It was his claws which did the feat not his strength. It was the powers he had due to his weapons and his role as lord of the dead.

I said Dante has the better weapon and the skillset with that weapon to defeat Kratos. How is he faster than dante? What are you basing this off of?

and this discredits him how again? Considering he had the strength to cut his way out of a Titan, its no like anyone can do it. Mmmmm?

Actually it was a combination of the two as what we seen in Kratos vs Hades fight. He still needed to outpower kratos to take his soul.

you still haven't justified his skill set. both seem pretty same with me Kratos though still has a larger strength margin. I based it of your logic and the fact you didn't show much of Dante's skill set.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So no where near Kraots' level?

Have to ask, what has he got over Kratos because right now all the advantages are his.

His weapon is more formidable than Kratos' blades.

Originally posted by Phanteros
If you fail to understand the the comparison to your comment on powers then let me elaborate further. What you said was that Kratos was weak because he need multiple powers just to defeat his enemies which doesn't make sense as that will mean Batman(Dante) is stronger than Superman(Kratos) because he has less powers, get it now?

and this discredits him how again? Considering he had the strength to cut his way out of a Titan, its no like anyone can do it. Mmmmm?

Actually it was a combination of the two as what we seen in Kratos vs Hades fight. He still needed to outpower kratos to take his soul.

you still haven't justified his skill set. both seem pretty same with me Kratos though still has a larger strength margin. I based it of your logic and the fact you didn't show much of Dante's skill set.

Hades can tear his soul straight up out of his body so him only being able to really injure Cronos after being swallowed hurts his case.

Because it's a game mechanic. But yes like anything else you need to be weakened for him to rip it out and Kratos fought it and then bested him in combat.

I gave various examples of Dante such as ripping Death in half right after acquiring his weapon, doing so to various demons throughout the game, and piercing Lucy at the end of the game.

The man makes the weapon. There is a much higher chance that Kratos will be getting more hits in then Dante. Finally read all this and there's nothing to say Dante takes this, at least nothing that can be overcome by the spartan.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The man makes the weapon. There is a much higher chance that Kratos will be getting more hits in then Dante. Finally read all this and there's nothing to say Dante takes this, at least nothing that can be overcome by the spartan.

It's a close matchup either way and both characters are extremely capable of ending the other I just favor Dante due to his weapon and him achieving what he did basically on his own.

Unless its for a feat what they went through means little. Wander, an average guy in all aspects goes out and slays 16 huge Collosi. More impressive then what some characters do but that doesn't mean he's winning any fights.

Really cant as Kratos' attacks with his Bo- are faster, of better range and pack more punch to them.

Originally posted by quanchi112

His weapon is more formidable than Kratos' blades.

I gave various examples of Dante such as ripping Death in half right after acquiring his weapon, doing so to various demons throughout the game, and piercing Lucy at the end of the game.

and you know what these guys have that Death doesn't have? feats

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same can be said of Dante. I feel he has the superior weapon and is the superior man. What he went through on his own to me is more impressive than what Kratos did with allies throughout the games.

It's a close matchup either way and both characters are extremely capable of ending the other I just favor Dante due to his weapon and him achieving what he did basically on his own.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Unless its for a feat what they went through means little. Wander, an average guy in all aspects goes out and slays 16 huge Collosi. More impressive then what some characters do but that doesn't mean he's winning any fights.

Really cant as Kratos' attacks with his Bo- are faster, of better range and pack more punch to them.

Originally posted by Phanteros
based on what? As BR said the man makes the weapon.

Kratos killed Charon, Zeus, Hades, Hercules with brute strength alone and with there weapon he jacked. and what is the relevancy of Kratos needing help to kill Ares to fight? He gotten stronger as the games went on and need no assistance to challenge Zeus. not like that matters though because its irrelevant to the fight.

No it doesn't because Atlas was the one that had his soul pulled not Cronos. and Hades from what I recall struggle to take it out.

Quick time event also you supported my argument above by showing Hades needed to weaken the titan to take his soul.

I can list more feats that can best a featless Lucifer. Hades getting his own soul right out him after getting brutalized. Hercules getting battered to death win a test of strength. Kratos overpowering a hydra and a water horse. Resisting hypnosis from Persephone.

and you know what these guys have that Death doesn't have? feats

Kratos beat on them and while weakened he killed them with his strength. He didn't just overpower any of them at their best.

Cronos' soul wasn't pulled because Atlas stopped it from happening. Did ya miss that part? LOL.

I never said he could just do so otherwise. My initial point was he had the power to defeat him without cutting out from inside his stomach.

Yes, he beat them after weakening them. Lucy wasn't featless since we saw what dante's weapon was capable of. We see it's abadass weapon but to him it's something he can dismiss when he wanted to. This should be common sense to connect the dots here.

Originally posted by Phanteros
He didn't have allies when he beat a Genie nor Persephone. also I can say the same for Kratos being Superior because he killed Zeus assisted without help. also how is having allies discredits the other nummerous feats Kratos has done?

I favor Kratos becuase of his weapon being more versatile and having more feats in his favor than Dante. See the problem there?

It doesn't come down to versatility it comes down to effectiveness. Dante's weapon is more effective.

Pack more punch as Kratos is a large magnitude stronger then Dante and scythes are slower then chained weapons.

Originally posted by quanchi112

The games and what Dante did with his weapon seemed more formidable than what Kratos did with his blades. Kratos needed the Zeus blade for his powerful feats anyways.

Key word "seem" is not the same as confirmed. Kratos "seems" faster because he can hit more faster than what Dante "seem" to do.

Kratos beat on them and while weakened he killed them with his strength. He didn't just overpower any of them at their best.

The whole entire fights revolve on out maneuvering and over powering opponents overpowered them on several occasion at their best.

Cronos' soul wasn't pulled because Atlas stopped it from happening. Did ya miss that part? LOL.

So we are finished with the childish remarks now?

Yes, he beat them after weakening them. Lucy wasn't featless since we saw what dante's weapon was capable of. We see it's abadass weapon but to him it's something he can dismiss when he wanted to. This should be common sense to connect the dots here.

Keep it up with the snide remarks, they not getting you no where. Being badass isn't a feat, its subjective at best. I have not seen anything impressive of the scythe.

This shows how weak Zeus was that in the end he just tossed his weapons aside and beat him down. Lucy would laugh off these punches and just mess with him at this point.

It doesn't come down to versatility it comes down to effectiveness. Dante's weapon is more effective.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Key word "seem" is not the same as confirmed. Kratos "seems" faster because he can hit more faster than what Dante "seem" to do.

The whole entire fights revolve on out maneuvering and over powering opponents overpowered them on several occasion at their best.

So we are finished with the childish remarks now?

Keep it up with the snide remarks, they not getting you no where. Being badass isn't a feat, its subjective at best. I have not seen anything impressive of the scythe.

If you were paying attention to the story, Kratos awaken a far greater power than weapons, his hope combine with his strength. Also you based Lucifer laughing of the Kratos' hope + strength on nothing at all. Zeus was stabbed with his weapon 5 times and was still able to walk out and regenerate.

Lucifer will be more likely crying his way back to hell as a slipper for Kratos foot.

Kratos's weapon is more effective as well.

No, he briefly resists them, pounds on them, and then eventually kills them. It's always the same.

Why would you act like Cronos not having his soul taken had anything to do with Cronos' actions when it was Atlas who saved him.

I will try and be more polite then. Ok, I told you cutting characters such as death in half, demons, and fighting your way through hell aren't feats? Why not? Do you feel the game isn't portraying him as strong and dangerous with his weapon?

Kratos needed to overcome his fears and forgive himself to finally best Zeus' last desperate ploy against him which in the end he was aided by Pandora's voice and her help. Dante just figured out himself how to best Lucy he didn't need someone telling him exactly what to do and even then he was only imprisoned whereas Zeus was beaten and beaten badly.

Lucy would love to play on Kratos; guilt and have a field day on him. He could simply dismiss his weapons and just toy with him.

No, it really isn't the weapon he needs is the bot for the big baddies not his blade.

Everytime you say Lucy, I think this:

If I had my own comp I'd save that.

O_O;
Do want photographic memory.

**** Saving that on comp...