Originally posted by DeadlineThe problem is there are alot of non-superhumans who have similar feats to DS.
Correction:
There are alot of well known, non-superhumans who have high-end, PIS moments that are similar to superhuman feats, and usually pretty darn rare in relation to just how many appearances they have(contrary to popular beliief)
Slade's justification is that he is an actual superhuman. That would also go for any other superhuman(Spider-man, Superman, etc)
Originally posted by namorsubby
Correction:There are alot of well known, non-superhumans who have high-end, PIS moments that are similar to superhuman feats, and usually pretty darn rare in relation to just how many appearances they have(contrary to popular beliief)
Slade's justification is that he is an actual superhuman. That would also go for any other superhuman(Spider-man, Superman, etc)
Most characters have the same justifications to their more refined superhuman feats.
Elektra- Mystic ninja amping.
Daredevil- Super sensory development.
Captain America- SSS.
Black Panther- Magic Herb.
Cassie Cain- Hyper developed body control.
Shang Chi- Chi amping.
Iron Fist- Chi amping.
Richard Dragon- Chi amping.
etc.
Originally posted by Konton
Most characters have the same justifications to their more refined superhuman feats.Elektra- Mystic ninja amping.
Daredevil- Super sensory development.
Captain America- SSS.
Black Panther- Magic Herb.
Cassie Cain- Hyper developed body control.
Shang Chi- Chi amping.
Iron Fist- Chi amping.
Richard Dragon- Chi amping.
etc.
The same justification? I think not.
Slade is definitively superhuman, just as much as any other meta. These guys, not so much.
Most any feat that you could classify as superhuman from these guys can also be classified as PIS, according to routine feats. This is of course, taking into account that many "superhuman" feats in the real world are not so much "superhuman" in comics.
Chi is a bit exception IMO
Originally posted by Konton
My point is that they can all reach and supersede the metahuman barrier under their own power.These characters (save Cassie) have loooong carreers FULL of consistent superhuman feats. Writing them off as PIS is a novelty idea at best.
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You gotta take into account that in comics, what's "superhuman" in the real world is not so much "superhuman" there. So when they pull of these "superhuman" feats like bullet dodging, unrealistic agility, strength, durability, etc every other week, it doesn't mean they do "superhuman" things routinely or that they should be classified as superhuman.
But yeah, any majorly superhuman feats consist of PIS pretty much 100% of the time. Especially when it involves some interaction with "real superhumans", like showing them up, etc.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Correction:There are alot of well known, non-superhumans who have high-end, PIS moments that are similar to superhuman feats, and usually pretty darn rare in relation to just how many appearances they have(contrary to popular beliief)
Slade's justification is that he is an actual superhuman. That would also go for any other superhuman(Spider-man, Superman, etc)
No again you think you're being smart but you're not. There are feats that DS has done which you consider to be superhuman that non-superhumans have done.
Batman was able to detect a bullet travelling through the air thats more impressive than detecting subtle vibrations in the ground.
So Batman is superhuman according to your logic.
Originally posted by Deadline
No again you think you're being smart but you're not. There are feats that DS has done which you consider to be superhuman that non-superhumans have done.Batman was able to detect a bullet travelling through the air thats more impressive than detecting subtle vibrations in the ground.
So Batman is superhuman according to your logic.
Exactly, and those feats are PIS for the most part, because they are non-superhumans. Unless they are feats that would be considered superhuman in the real world, but not so much in comics.
That's because you don't get it. You think it's just feeling the dirt move or something, but it's much more than that.
No, according to your logic, Batman is superhuman. According to everyone's logic who puts character's like Captain America at superhuman level due to what they see him do often.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Exactly, and those feats are PIS for the most part, because they are non-superhumans.
Oh really so when Bullseye kills somebody with a playing card and makes a toothpick go through a glass window hes doing PIS?
Originally posted by namorsubbyUnless they are feats that would be considered superhuman in the real world, but not so much in comics.
Im not really saying hes superhuman though.
Originally posted by namorsubby
That's because you don't get it. You think it's just feeling the dirt move or something, but it's much more than that.
No I do get it thats just some nonsense you want to believe. Obvoulsy subtle vibrations means vibrations that are so subtle that no normal human being could detect it.
Originally posted by namorsubby
No, according to your logic, Batman is superhuman. According to everyone's logic who puts character's like Captain America at superhuman level due to what they see him do often.
Im not arguing that Batman is superhuman again detecting a bullet > vibrations on the ground. Your logic indicates Batman is superhuman.
Originally posted by Deadline
Oh really so when Bullseye kills somebody with a playing card and makes a toothpick go through a glass window hes doing PIS?Im not really saying hes superhuman though.
No I do get it thats just some nonsense you want to believe. Obvoulsy subtle vibrations means vibrations that are so subtle that no normal human being could detect it.
Im not arguing that Batman is superhuman again detecting a bullet > vibrations on the ground. Your logic indicates Batman is superhuman.
1.No, that's what human marksmen are capable of in comics.
2. Who exactly are you refering to? Because I wasn't citing any individual with my statement, but simply mentioning how real world "superhuman" and comics "superhuman" are two entirely different things. In the real world, bullet dodging is superhuman. Not so in comics. In the real world, chi amping is not a human capability. It is in comics. What I'm basically saying is, humans in comics are a little faster, a little tougher, and a little stronger, etc than humans in the real world, and superhumans in comics surpass them.
3.No, not "no normal human being", Deadline, no human being period. The scan actually stated that Slade used superhuman senses(a superhuman ability) to detect the vibrations. In other words, no one, even in comics, can duplicate said feat unless they have superhuman senses to that extent or beyond. Pretty simple.
4.lol, no, it doesn't.
Batman can't use his senses to duplicate the feat because he has no superhuman senses. Deathstroke does. The only mystery here is how you're not understanding the concept.
Originally posted by namorsubby
1.No, that's what human marksmen are capable of in comics.
Oh I see so you're picking and choosing what you like. Ok then detecting bullets in flight is what human martial arts are capable of as well. Shang Chi also has enhanced sense and a shadowmaster was capable of detecting a laser so he could dodge it.
Originally posted by namorsubby
2. Who exactly are you refering to? Because I wasn't citing any individual with my statement, but simply mention how real world "superhuman" and comics "superhuman" are two entirely different things. In the real world, bullet dodging it superhuman. Not so in comics. In the real world, chi amping is not a human capability. It is in comics. What I'm basically saying is, humans in comics are a little faster, a little tougher, and a little stronger, etc than humans in the real world, and superhumans in comics surpass them.
I agree but they are more than a little bit tougher.
Originally posted by namorsubby
3.Not "no normal human being", no human being period. The scan actually stated that Slade used superhuman senses(a superhuman ability) to detect the vibrations. In other words, no one, even in comics, can duplicate said feat unless they have superhuman senses to that extent. Pretty simple.
Yes I understand that and to an extent thats what I mean't but I don't neccsarily agree you have to be superhuman. Shang Chi can use his chi to detect telepaths hes not superhuman either....oh let me guess thats PIS.
Originally posted by namorsubby
4.lol, no, it doesn't.
Yes it does. That feat was more impressive than DS's. You don't think it is because you don't want it to.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Batman can't use his senses to duplicate the feat because he has no superhuman senses. Deathstroke does. The only mystery here is how you're not understanding the concept.
Yes and Bullseye doesn't have any superhuman stats either, so its PIS as well.
Originally posted by Deadline
Oh I see so you're picking and choosing what you like. Ok then detecting bullets in flight is what human martial arts are capable of as well. Shang Chi also has enhanced sense and a shadowmaster was capable of detecting a laser so he could dodge it.I agree but they are more than a little bit tougher.
Yes I understand that and to an extent thats what I mean't but I don't neccsarily agree you have to be superhuman. Shang Chi can use his chi to detect telepaths hes not superhuman either....oh let me guess thats PIS.
Yes it does. That feat was more impressive than DS's. You don't think it is because you don't want it to.
Yes and Bullseye doesn't have any superhuman stats either, so its PIS as well.
1.No, Deadline, I am simply giving an answer to your question. If humans can detect bullets in flight in comics, then it is a human ability, according to comics. Enhanced senses caused by chi, meditation, etc are also all considered within the realm of human capability in the world of comics. Pretty clear cut and simple.
2.You'd have to be superhuman if the scan literally states that it is a superhuman ability, such as with Slade's feat. Deathstroke used a superhuman ability in his detection, so yes, you'd have to be superhuman to duplicate the feat. Again, whatever enhanced sense that is capable through chi or whatever in humans is fine, because that's what's humanly possible......in comics. What's humanly possible is automatically superceeded by the superhuman. Hence the term "super-human"
3. It wasn't more impressive. Batman supposedly used his human senses(which is inferior to superhuman) to detect bullets in the air, while Deathstroke achieved his feat through superhuman senses. Therefore, Slade had to have more acute senses than Bruce to accomplish his feat. Superhuman>Human, even in comics.
4. Again, what's not to get?
Bullseye can do the things he does because it is humanly possible to do so within comics. Deathstroke is superhuman and therefore does things that aren't humanly possible, even in comics.
If a character says they are doing something no human can do... and then a human does something superior... that doesn't magically make the inferior feat more impressive by extension. The feats stand on their own, and the arbitrary qualifier doesn't make something more impressive by default. In order for it to be more impressive, it would have to be... you know... actually more impressive.
Captain America and Black Panther have avoided sneak attacks by feeling subtle shifts in air pressure, pretty standard street level affair.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If a character says they are doing something no human can do... and then a human does something superior... that doesn't magically make the inferior feat more impressive by extension. The feats stand on their own, and the arbitrary qualifier doesn't make something more impressive by default. In order for it to be more impressive, it would have to be... you know... actually more impressive.Captain America and Black Panther have avoided sneak attacks by feeling subtle sifts in air pressure.
No, it doesn't, it makes it PIS.
A human does something that is generally considered "humanly impossible" in comics, then it is invalid. Doing something that surpasses what is "superhuman" in comics as a human would qualify as such.
Also, you should go ahead and cite an instance if you're going to argue that claim, because they are none here.
Originally posted by namorsubby
No, it doesn't, it makes it PIS.A human does something that is generally considered "humanly impossible" in comics, then it is invalid. Doing something that surpasses what is "superhuman" in comics as a human would qualify as such.
Also, you should go ahead and cite an instance if you're going to argue that claim, because they are none here.
Yes, because one instance of Slade boasting that no human could do it = general consensus that it is humanly impossible? 🙄
Off the top of my head Contest of Champions v2 issue 4.