"Freedom Flotilla" Attacks

As everyone has probably seen on the news, Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of ships apparently carrying aid to the Gaza Strip.
There´s been different reports on casualties between 10 and 16 people killed, and 10 commando´s injured.

It happened about 40 miles (64 km) out to sea, in international waters.

Israel says its soldiers were shot at and attacked with weapons; the activists say Israeli troops came on board shooting.

I was wondering if maybe this was actually a cunning plan by some Arab group. After all it was clear that Israel was going to try to stop the Flotilla. So to fill the boats with civilians then shoot at the Israelis when the enter, causing a firefight and lot´s of "poor inoccent people" killed by bad Israelis would obviously cause condemnation of Israel.

Of course it could also be Israel´s normal disregard for other people´s lifes in their "cat in a corner" battle for survival.

Now Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri said that Israel's attack could ignite a war in the region.

the Mierde really is hitting the fan in the World, N.Korea, Iran now this.

All talk and no action though IMO unless Turkey get involved, the Arab countries would get another good hiding from Israel.

*Facepalm*

Bibi needs to go.

Third World Countries are such a pain in the ass; I don't know why we work so hard to not let them fight amongst themselves. We should just sit back and allow these countries to destroy each other. It can be video taped and put on Pay-Per-View, like Wrestlemania. Then when Iran and Isreal and Korea and all these other places are all war torn and ****ed up, we can just roll in and set up some democracy and give them liberty and oil contracts.

Except...Isreal isnt a 3rd world country....

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Third World Countries are such a pain in the ass; I don't know why we work so hard to not let them fight amongst themselves. We should just sit back and allow these countries to destroy each other. It can be video taped and put on Pay-Per-View, like Wrestlemania. Then when Iran and Isreal and Korea and all these other places are all war torn and ****ed up, we can just roll in and set up some democracy and give them liberty and oil contracts.

Israel and Iran aren't third world countries, they have serious military power. That's the problem.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Third World Countries are such a pain in the ass; I don't know why we work so hard to not let them fight amongst themselves. We should just sit back and allow these countries to destroy each other.

My thoughts exactly. Remember that line in Jurassic Park by Dr. Grant: "You can't suppress 65 million years of gut-instinct"? Well, the UN tries to do the same with ancient feuds that are too strong for some "resolution" passed by them to dictate. The world should just give them an alotted time to duke it out and slaughter the hell out of each other. Because what's been going on since 1948 is like advertising a big boxing match that never actually happens.

Wait, so Israeli troops murder a bunch of innocent people and they're actually gonna get away with that?
Dude, no way!!!msn-oh

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Third World Countries are such a pain in the ass; I don't know why we work so hard to not let them fight amongst themselves. We should just sit back and allow these countries to destroy each other. It can be video taped and put on Pay-Per-View, like Wrestlemania. Then when Iran and Isreal and Korea and all these other places are all war torn and ****ed up, we can just roll in and set up some democracy and give them liberty and oil contracts.

I sincerely hope this was all sarcasm. You do realise the reason the majority of these "third world" (whatever that means) countries have problems because of foreign/western imperialism.

Hmm yes we can give them the loving and caring capitalist regimes we have here in the western world, that will solve everything!

Originally posted by Ordo
Except...Isreal isnt a 3rd world country....

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Israel and Iran aren't third world countries, they have serious military power. That's the problem.

Yeah they are.

Don't try to bring up your silly little "facts" and "statistics". Those don't work on me.

Originally posted by Liberator
I sincerely hope this was all sarcasm. You do realise the reason the majority of these "third world" (whatever that means) countries have problems because of foreign/western imperialism.

Hmm yes we can give them the loving and caring capitalist regimes we have here in the western world, that will solve everything!

Why do you hate America? Is it because of our freedom, or is it the hats?

Footage of the attack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
YouTube video

Pause it at 0:53. What does it look like that guy is holding?

Not to bias anyone who wants to look I'll spoiler my own thoughts:

Spoiler:
It's a paintball gun. Seems that at least some of the soldiers weren't even issued real weapons

No matter how you slice it the people aboard the ship are somewhat less blameless than was implied.

florida rocks

You cant get killed with a paintball gun though. First kill someone and then take a video of others defending themselvs with sticks and make it look like you were the poor victim that was attacked for no reason. A video presented and edited by Israel, a cheap attempt to cover their asses. Some of the people might've been shot at that point already. The troops had no right to board the ships in the first place, even if the people attacked first (which they most likely didnt) it would've been a natural responce for their ship being taken over. Doesnt make them any less innocent.

Originally posted by SamZED
You cant get killed with a paintball gun though.

And when you're out to kill people you don't arm your soldiers with paintball guns at all.

Originally posted by SamZED
First kill someone and then take a video of others defending themselvs with sticks and make it look like you were the poor victim that was attacked for no reason.

First of all you can't base your ire on something you just made up. Secondly it doesn't make it look like they were attacked for no reason, it makes it look they were attacked for landing on the boat.

Originally posted by SamZED
A video presented and edited by Israel, a cheap attempt to cover their asses. Some of the people might've been shot at that point. already.

Evidence? Because in this video shot by the activists themselves we see that them attack the soldiers before their feet even touch the deck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB-Mk4bFz-U

YouTube video
skip to 5:50

The idea of them being peaceful is a myth.

Originally posted by SamZED
The troops had no right to board the ships in the first place, even if the people attacked first (which they most likely didnt) it would've been a natural responce for their ship being taken over. Doesnt make them any less innocent.

The fact they they attacked the soldiers first makes they a lot less innocent. Obviously the Israeli soldiers should have killed anyone but the facts shift things considerably away from Israel as some sort of murderous evil empire.

I can't even tell whats going on at 5:50 it's a mess of people.

Israel is such scum

Originally posted by Liberator
I can't even tell whats going on at 5:50 it's a mess of people.

If you go back to 5:47 you can see them with chairs held over their heads (left) and the first soldier dropping toward the ground (right). By 5:50 they've mobbed him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you go back to 5:47 you can see them with chairs held over their heads (left) and the first soldier dropping toward the ground (right). By 5:50 they've mobbed him.

Well to be fair, they are Israeli soldiers armed with guns, and the people seem to be Anti-Israeli.

Its either they let him come down and possibly shoot everyone or mob him and disarm him.

No. Nobody was attacked by the IDF when they grapelled on the other vessels in the flotilla.
Therfore no reason to mob anyone with metal bars and knives.

Originally posted by Liberator
Well to be fair, they are Israeli soldiers armed with guns, and the people seem to be Anti-Israeli.

Its either they let him come down and possibly shoot everyone or mob him and disarm him.

In 2009 a boat on basically the same mission was boarded by Israeli soldiers without incident.

In 2008 a boat also on the same mission was stopped by the Israeli navy. No one was killed but the ship was damaged.

Also in 2008 yet another boat full of activists was confronted by the Israeli navy. Before anything could happen the soldiers were called back.

If these activists seriously thought they were going to die then they clearly didn't have a decent understanding of what they were doing.

This idea that Israel is out to just murder people willy-nilly is much more dangerous than Israel itself.

Well they are out to murder people, they do every day in Palestine.

But I see your point with this incident, and I admit I'm pretty ignorant on what happened so I'll leave the finer details with you. It's just not really the brightest idea to go rapelling down onto a ship with people who hate you.