Originally posted by Robtard
Not that I think Arabs or Persian countries are uncivilized in a blanketing sense; some of those countries views towards women and homosexuals is pretty ****ing barbaric, imo.
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That reminds me of something my grandmother would say; she would talk mad shit about a family she didn't like, but then add "...but they're nice people".
They're either civilized or not.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
They're either civilized or not.
Yes and a picture is either entirely cyan, entirely magenta or entirely yellow. There is never any middle ground. You cannot look at the whole picture. To say that "it is cyan here and yellow here althought most of it is red" shows nothing but weakness.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes and a picture is either entirely cyan, entirely magenta or entirely yellow. There is never any middle ground. You cannot look at the whole picture. To say that "it is cyan here and yellow here althought most of it is red" shows nothing but weakness.
What made you pick those colours in particular?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
^ 🤨That reminds me of something my grandmother would say; she would talk mad shit about a family she didn't like, but then add "...but they're nice people".
They're either civilized or not.
I disagree. EG The US is a civilized nation, yet we have some practices that would be considered barbaric (by some), the death penalty, abortion, laws discriminating against homosexuals etc. Other nations, just the same with certain practices; not as a whole though.
Was your grandmother racist?
Originally posted by Quiero MotaThat's a little thing called feeling ambiguous about something. As you get in to more modern forms of literature, and science, nothing is pure, and clear. Everything is ambiguous. This keeps everything from being easily judged.
^ 🤨That reminds me of something my grandmother would say; she would talk mad shit about a family she didn't like, but then add "...but they're nice people".
They're either civilized or not.
Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
That's a little thing called feeling ambiguous about something. As you get in to more modern forms of literature, and science, nothing is pure, and clear. Everything is ambiguous. This keeps everything from being easily judged.
Wrong about the science thing. I've not known a scientist in my career who deliberately sought to make their research ambiguous. I do know of examples where findings are suppressed so as not to skew meta-data but those findings have been clear and understandable.
The entire point of science and publishing research is to allow it to be judged. Peer review is the cornerstone of scientific acceptability.
I do, however, agree that a lot of modern aspects of life are now carried out in such as way as to avoid judgement and thus avoid criticism in order to not offend...It's a dangerous route...At least the Israelis certainly aren't guilty of conducting themselves in manner that is "ambiguous"...They just don't give a shit how they are judged in the world's eyes...I don't think they can afford to be either. The six day war is an example of what happens if they were to take a soft line in regards to their neighbouring countries.
Originally posted by jaden101The main point of most "nonfiction" writers is to prove a point as well. To prove a thesis. I wasn't saying that writers or scientists sought to make things ambiguous; Most seek to make things more clear for themselves and others, but most modern scientific and philosophical problems, turn out to have ambiguous results.
Wrong about the science thing. I've not known a scientist in my career who deliberately sought to make their research ambiguous. I do know of examples where findings are suppressed so as not to skew meta-data but those findings have been clear and understandable.The entire point of science and publishing research is to allow it to be judged. Peer review is the cornerstone of scientific acceptability.
I do, however, agree that a lot of modern aspects of life are now carried out in such as way as to avoid judgement and thus avoid criticism in order to not offend...It's a dangerous route...At least the Israelis certainly aren't guilty of conducting themselves in manner that is "ambiguous"...They just don't give a shit how they are judged in the world's eyes...I don't think they can afford to be either. The six day war is an example of what happens if they were to take a soft line in regards to their neighbouring countries.
Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
The main point of most "nonfiction" writers is to prove a point as well. To prove a thesis. I wasn't saying that writers or scientists sought to make things ambiguous; Most seek to make things more clear for themselves and others, but most modern scientific and philosophical problems, turn out to have ambiguous results.
Not in my experience...But then I'm involved in the classic sciences. The only reason for modern "science" being considered more ambiguous is that more ambiguous topics are now being considered science simply because a scientific method is applied to study them...Psychology, sociology, criminology etc...In my opinion, merely applying a scientific principle to a research method doesn't make a topic actual "science"
Originally posted by jaden101I'm sure that chemistry, physics, and biology were all ambiguous as well, but I suppose after hundreds of years of research, the problems were figured out. The solutions were the papers that were saved. All these papers full of questions in modern days will not be remembered, but instead in a couple of hundred years when someone makes a breakthrough and makes all of these currently ambiguous subjects "a science"
Not in my experience...But then I'm involved in the classic sciences. The only reason for modern "science" being considered more ambiguous is that more ambiguous topics are now being considered science simply because a scientific method is applied to study them...Psychology, sociology, criminology etc...In my opinion, merely applying a scientific principle to a research method doesn't make a topic actual "science"
Originally posted by jaden101
Not in my experience...But then I'm involved in the classic sciences. The only reason for modern "science" being considered more ambiguous is that more ambiguous topics are now being considered science simply because a scientific method is applied to study them...Psychology, sociology, criminology etc...In my opinion, merely applying a scientific principle to a research method doesn't make a topic actual "science"
Why not? AFAIK science is the gathering of knowledge through use of the scientific method, discovering an absolute truth isn't a requirement.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why not? AFAIK science is the gathering of knowledge through use of the scientific method, discovering an absolute truth isn't a requirement.
You can apply a scientific method of research to anything...Best song ever...Best film ever....Doesn't make the pursuit of these things anymore scientific because of the subjectivity. Which is exactly the issue with many things in the sciences I mentioned.
Of course there is the attempts to amalgamate the two when you hear news stories of things as ridiculous as "the gay gene" etc. Not saying that there isn't a genetic component to personality traits but at the moment it is far beyond our ability to prove being ambiguity.
I don't object to biological psychology though. The effects of certain physiological changes in the brain effecting personality traits etc...These can be easily studied. Of course a lot of possible research would be completely unethical such as deliberately damaging the brain to measure effect...But the study of people with damaged brains and their similarities with other people with the same condition can and has been done. Abnormal sexual behaviour in people with frontal lobe damage for example.
Originally posted by Robtard
I disagree. EG The US is a civilized nation, yet we have some practices that would be considered barbaric (by some), the death penalty, abortion, laws discriminating against homosexuals etc. Other nations, just the same with certain practices; not as a whole though.
So "barbaric" is an opinion word then?
The Arabs invented algebra and were at the forefront of medicine, math, science and astronomy while Europe was in the Dark Ages. And today they have the world's tallest building; the Burj in the UAE. I don't believe all of these accomplishments count for nothing just because they execute gays.
A nation of barbarians would not have come up with algebra.
Originally posted by Robtard
Was your grandmother racist?
No, why do you ask? She would say that about anyone she didn't like for whatever reason. And then I would tell her "No, they can't be nice if they're all those other things too".
Originally posted by inimalist
we can create another thread to talk about it in more depth, but what journals are you reading that give you the impression that anything other than biological psychology is "subjective"?
Very rarely read journals on psychology...It was mostly textbooks from my college days when I studied forensic psychobiology that set my opinion against psychology.
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison*facepalm* The PLO recognised Israel and its right to exist YEARS ago. And what kind of "propoganda" are you talking about? Statistics helps sometimes.
How do you deal with someone who will NEVER except peace? The only answer they will accept is the total destruction of the state of Israel. That means they want to kill all the Jews in Israel, and puts them in the same category as Hitler.
24100 - number of palestinian houses Israel demolished since the 6-day war.
Over 200 - number of illegal settlements Israel has on palestininan territories.
1400 - number of palestinian children killed in the last several years.
Over 7000 - number of palestinians being held prisoners.
Dont get me started on the overall number of palestinians that has been killed. But israel says "yeah.. they're all terrorists, we're totally sure!", some idiots buy that and they're the good guys again.
In one "military operation" Israel kills more innocent people than Hamas and other organizations kill in decades. Wanna compare someone to Hitel? Compare zionism to facism then. It's not Israeli "right to defend itself", that's bs and an excuse, it's Israeli right "to do whatever they hell they want and kill anyone who disagrees with them". As I said - terrorist state.
And boarding a foreign ship in international waters is illegal no matter how you look at it and can be concidered as an act of war.
Originally posted by jaden101
Very rarely read journals on psychology...It was mostly textbooks from my college days when I studied forensic psychobiology that set my opinion against psychology.
fair enough, the applied stuff is pretty flakey at times, but it is generally a few degrees of separation from research psych. even most social and clinical programmes try to incorporate some type of imaging or at least cog itove models at this point.
that being said, I got a BA from the science department, which I don't think is possible in other sciences, so I would agree that there is a fundamental difference between psych and traditional sciences, but no moreso than bio is different from physics
Originally posted by SamZED
. *facepalm* The PLO recognised Israel and its right to exist YEARS ago. And what kind of "propoganda" are you talking about? Statistics helps sometimes.24100 - number of palestinian houses Israel demolished since the 6-day war.
Over 200 - number of illegal settlements Israel has on palestininan territories.
1400 - number of palestinian children killed in the last several years.
Over 7000 - number of palestinians being held prisoners.
Dont get me started on the overall number of palestinians that has been killed. But israel says "yeah.. they're all terrorists, we're totally sure!", some idiots buy that and they're the good guys again.In one "military operation" Israel kills more innocent people than Hamas and other organizations kill in decades. Wanna compare someone to Hitel? Compare zionism to facism then. It's not Israeli "right to defend itself", that's bs and an excuse, it's Israeli right "to do whatever they hell they want and kill anyone who disagrees with them". As I said - terrorist state.
And boarding a foreign ship in international waters is illegal no matter how you look at it and can be concidered as an act of war.
Your post is one sided. You did not post all the people and children killed by Hamas. Also, I was not talking about the PLO, I was talking about Hamas. PLO did recognize Israel, and guess what? PLO is not in power anymore. That tells you a lot about the Palestinian people; they don't want peace. Hamas will NOT have peace with Israel. That leaves Israel with only one option. The situation is the fault of Hamas, not Israel.