Ah, more Pallywood-esque propaganda, it's always fun stuff. Seems they've upped their smear game-plan this time; I've no doubt they'll eventually start throwing infants at IDF soldiers only to turn around and yell "baby killers!".
Obama and the Bibi don't get along at all, Israel had better watch itself more closely than ever. Just saying.
The blockade has not been deemed illegal by any major nations or the UN, meaning it is for the time being legal. That means that Israel had the right to peacefully board the ship using with non-lethal weapons and check the cargo of it. The activists are the ones that are completely at fault.
We then have to look at the background of Israel. After all it went through with Palestine and the Arab nations around it, how can you expect it not to board and check that ship? Israel is an advanced, civilized nation which is no worst than the United States or any of Europe. It's trying to survive in a sea of enemies, and is always a victim of some Arab nationalism or religious jihad.
Originally posted by Spidervlad
Israel is an advanced, civilized nation which is no worst than the United States or any of Europe. It's trying to survive in a sea of enemies, and is always a victim of some Arab nationalism or religious jihad.
Are you saying Arabs are uncivilized and backward? That's pretty anti-semitic, you know.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
they do tie bombs to their kids.😐
yes, the minority is representative of the whole.
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Oh right, of course, because all Arabs are Muslims and all Muslims are Arabs.
Let us not make ANY distinguishing between Arab as an ethnic group and Muslims. It's easier to comprehend the world this way...
I feel like in this situation, the blockade is legal, so Israel had the right to do what it did. And based on what I've seen in the videos, the people on the boat attacked first, basically as soon as the soldiers touched down on the deck. I think the soldiers acted accordingly under the circumstances.
There's an argument to be made that the blockade shouldn't exist in the first place, but since it is currently recognized as being legal you gotta expect Israel to flex within their rights.
It's continual military aggression that led to this incident. I personally think the Israeli's knew violence would come of it, they merely instigated it by rapelling down onto the deck of the ship armed with guns.
I don't think they expected it to be a peaceful operating, in fact they probably were hoping one of their would get killed, imagine the negative PR the aid ship would of gotten and how brave the Israeli's would look.
Originally posted by Liberator
It's continual military aggression that led to this incident. I personally think the Israeli's knew violence would come of it, they merely instigated it by rapelling down onto the deck of the ship armed with guns.I don't think they expected it to be a peaceful operating, in fact they probably were hoping one of their would get killed, imagine the negative PR the aid ship would of gotten and how brave the Israeli's would look.
That must be why they had pain guns. You do not make any sense.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That must be why they had pain guns. You do not make any sense.
A very militaristic and violent country like Israel rappels down onto your ship armed with weapons, (paint gun or not its still a gun and if you have a history, Like Israel of shooting people who stand against them), you won't stand idly around - at least I wouldn't.
And, again, I think Israel figured they would be attacked upon landing, imagine the controversy if one of the Israeli's had been killed? But of course Israel couldn't keep a level head even in their own sabotage mission and opened fire.
Originally posted by Liberator
It's continual military aggression that led to this incident. I personally think the Israeli's knew violence would come of it, they merely instigated it by rapelling down onto the deck of the ship armed with guns.I don't think they expected it to be a peaceful operating, in fact they probably were hoping one of their would get killed, imagine the negative PR the aid ship would of gotten and how brave the Israeli's would look.
Frankly, that is an immensely stupid viewpoint. You've long ago now crossed the line into brainless depiction of the Israelis you clearly hate so much, losing any perspective that might give you a reasonable view.
The Israelis are not so stupid as to intentionally create this much bad publicity for themselves- and your idea that they wanted to get their own soldiers killed for publicity is insane.
The raid went wrong. It was badly planned and ineptly executed. That's a mark enough against the Israelis without this sort of tripe being brought into it.
Meanwhile- you sail into a military blockade, and you are surprised that they want to stop you? Geez. The whole purpose of the flotilla was to be the instigator.
Originally posted by Liberator
A very militaristic and violent country like Israel rappels down onto your ship armed with weapons, (paint gun or not its still a gun and if you have a history, Like Israel of shooting people who stand against them), you won't stand idly around - at least I wouldn't.And, again, I think Israel figured they would be attacked upon landing, imagine the controversy if one of the Israeli's had been killed? But of course Israel couldn't keep a level head even in their own sabotage mission and opened fire.
Level head? Their heads were being bashed in by pipes. 😂
If the US or UK were to board a ship because of a blockade, they would have fully loaded assault rifles. By your standard the US and UK are even more militaristic and violent countries then Israel. Maybe you should move to Iran. 😂
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Are you saying Arabs are uncivilized and backward? That's pretty anti-semitic, you know.
I never mentioned anything of that sort, but I will state that I believe there are many Arab/Persian nations in the middle east that could very much qualify in the category of uncivilized/backward. You can't generalize and say that 'Arabs are uncivilized.'
Originally posted by Liberator
A very militaristic and violent country like Israel rappels down onto your ship armed with weapons, (paint gun or not its still a gun and if you have a history, Like Israel of shooting people who stand against them), you won't stand idly around - at least I wouldn't.And, again, I think Israel figured they would be attacked upon landing, imagine the controversy if one of the Israeli's had been killed? But of course Israel couldn't keep a level head even in their own sabotage mission and opened fire.
Except you deliberately ignore some facts. That and your blatant 'Israel just wants to kill people' bigotry.
-The ships were giving the option of docking in an Israeli port, being searched and let go once nothing of interest was found.
-Israeli soldiers have boarded many ships just like this without incident, people on the boat didn't attack them, soldiers did their search and they left, no shooting required.
-Israel has the right to blockage and search, considering Hamas' "we will destroy you" stand. Similar was done in WWII and JFK did the same with Cuba, when the U.S.S.R. was shipping weapons over, yet the world wasn't crying "illegal, illegal!" then. Israel has boarded and inspected these relief boats and confiscated weapons intended for Hamas and Hezbollah, so there is cause.
-That "relief boat" was there to pick a fight, it wanted to make a stand against the blockage; that was its purpose; that's what it got.
Israel was stupid for playing along, they should have disabled the boat and starved out the instigators.
Originally posted by Liberator
A very militaristic and violent country like Israel rappels down onto your ship armed with weapons, (paint gun or not its still a gun and if you have a history, Like Israel of shooting people who stand against them), you won't stand idly around - at least I wouldn't.And, again, I think Israel figured they would be attacked upon landing, imagine the controversy if one of the Israeli's had been killed? But of course Israel couldn't keep a level head even in their own sabotage mission and opened fire.
Why would they think that? They've stopped nearly identical ships in the past without incident beyond a few bruises (and one sunk boat).
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Level head? Their heads were being bashed in by pipes. 😂If the US or UK were to board a ship because of a blockade, they would have fully loaded assault rifles. By your standard the US and UK are even more militaristic and violent countries then Israel. Maybe you should move to Iran. 😂
In some ways they are, but thats another matter entirely.
Ush, you make a good point, and yes I do let my hate of Israel sometimes hamper my understanding of them. I just can't stand what they're doing to those people in Gaza, it's sickening.