Thanos with infinity gems vs Anti monitor

The incomplete IG merged TWO entire Universes in an instant,
and the IG performed this feat MANY entire Universes AWAY!

Originally posted by Mr Master

So ...

Then Magus used the IG to instantly merge the 616 Universe, with the Duplicate.

(from a third separate Universe FAR away from 616) ... the Magus' stronghold.

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So if Magus with an incomplete IG can do that,
imagine what the complete IG (which is true Godhood) is capable of.

Surely at the very least, we have to agree that it isn't just universal if anything.

There is NO F'N' way that the complete IG is universal, if an incomplete IG can do that. 🙂

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So what? No, it doesn't. Me throwing one grenade and blowing up two boxes while standing on top of another box doesn't make my grenade capable of instantly destroying all boxes that exist. Give me a break.

Over in DC, if you destroy Earth-0, you eventually destroy the entire DC Multiverse. That doesn't turn Superman's Earth-busting punch into a Multiverse-busting punch. Let's not fool ourselves.

Originally posted by Cubey
All I'm seeing are semantics here. One scan says all realities, this one says THIS reality.

Just go by the shown feats. As far as I know, Thanos has only beat the universal 616 avatars of the MU, so I have to say full-power COIE Anti-Monitor.

stoned

The 616 IG makes the wielder God within all Reality, simple.

Another thing of any kind (ie. Ultimate Nullifier) cannot be more powerful if it is part of said Reality.

(It was the power of the 616 IG which created the Omniverse to begin with)

(This was explained withIN the Multiverse that houses the 616 Reality)

This truth was even stated in another entirely separate Multiverse:

(This was explained withIN the Multiverse that houses the Ultraverse Reality)

The Soul Gem many millennia later confirms their/Infinity being's nature)

"I am one of Six which were once One ...
we were Omnipotence and All there was"

I guess that's why Starlin pointed out that Thanos was the Supreme being of THIS (616) and All UniverseS:

Therefore whatever the UN can do, the IG has to be able to outdo. 🙂

Like ODG said, Magus sped up the process of the merging of universes. He has not actually taken over the multiverse ever. All "multiversal" feats related to the IG stem from the fact that 616 is the main reality of the MU, and thus affects the Multiverse/Omniverse overall.

This does not make Thanos multiversal in power. Besides, AM dstroyed thousands upon thousands by himself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The 616 IG makes the wielder God within the 616 Reality, simple.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Another thing of any kind (ie. Ultimate Nullifier) cannot be more powerful if it is part of said Reality.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I guess that's why Starlin pointed out that Thanos was the Supreme being of THIS (616) and All UniverseS:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Therefore whatever the UN can do, the IG has to be able to outdo.

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Jesus, why do you insist on posting scans of people saying THIS reality and THIS sphere as if anybody is questioning it what is involved here. Well maybe some have, but I certainly haven't. When are you going to understand these basic concepts…. Those words were used to illustrate something clear and as plain as day, something you concede.. Thanos, Warlock etc etc were ONLY concerned with taking over THIS reality or THIS sphere. So, of course those words are going to be used. However, that doesn't mean that is all it is capable of doing and all i can effect. That is a terrible fallacy to jump to that conclusion. Thanos using those words doesn't prove what you are trying to prove with them. Just like Eternity using those words doesn't mean a damn thing.. wanna know why.. read above… They were only concerned about taking over the 616 universe… nothing more. So of course Eternity is going to use those same words just as Magus and Thanos did. Yet, you're saying this proves the IG is only universal… LOL. Yet let's take a look at these clear and undisputable facts….

1. magus merged two separate universeS while standing in a totally separate universe. If you're able to do that… that you are clearly beyond universal. Fact.

2. The gems come from the IB the creator of the Omniverse. The didn't bestow SOME of his power he bestowed ALL of his power. So…. the IB is clearly well above multiversal in power… he gives all his power to the gems and they are only universal in power…. Jesus Christ Almighty…. Do you know how ludicrous that line of thoughts sounds?

3. Thanos pwnd in one move two multiversal things…..The UN… was pwned with but a thought… It was further elaborated on by saying… Quasar learns the word ultimate has little meaning in this battle. Those lines make it clear… that even a multiversal and the most powerful weapon in the universe isn't a match for the IG. This couldn't be made more clear and an elementary student would read those lines and know what they mean. Then it pwnd in one move 616 Eternity, which as we know is the most important Eternity and the most powerful. No other Eternity is said to birth ALL universeS and be ALL universeS at once. 616 Eternity has so many lines making it crystal clear how powerful it is compared to any other Eternity. This multi-eternity is just nonsense… show me a handbook about multi-eternity… show me it appearing in any other place besides Abraxas and we'll talk. You won't find it… Wanna know why because it doesn't exist. The SAME Eternity that ODG is claiming is multiversal was made crystal clear in Eternity's own bio that it is the same as the one Thanos fought. This couldn't be more clear. Anyways, Thanos in one move pwnd this multiversal power in one move like it was nothing.

4 Even though Thanos was only concerned with taking over the 616 Universe, Starlin makes it clear this isn't all he's capable of… I'm God of THIS Universe and ALL UniverseS. Again a kid could understand what that line means.

5. What's more.. the LT seemed to imply that he comes on behalf of a higher power.. he seems to imply that he alone couldn't make the gems stop working together, but is coming on behalf of somebody else. Presumably the TOAA. So if this is true… we know what that means right.. if the LT couldn't do it alone… the LT is beyond multiversal... hmmm do the math….

6. Simply logic dictates the following and ODG please answer this question… is it possible that one would have to acclimate properly and have enough time to do so.. to fully do all that the iG could do? Isn't this certainly a logical conclusion one could come to… Nobody has had enough time NOR cared to take over anything but the 616 Universe. We've seen that it takes time to acclimate and figure out all one could do with the gems and fully maximize their power. We've seen this on panel to be true. Yet we don't follow that same train of thought and say.. well nobody has really had much time with it and thus hasn't fully acclimated to it, and tried to reach its full potential. As we know omniversal power is in the gems… thus multiversal feats should be no issue. The problem is lack of time and nobody has CARED to take over more than the 616 Universe because it's the main universe.

The point of all this, is to show that the IG is clearly beyond universal and that should be without question. It's at the very least multi-universal and IMO multiversal

Like Marvel Comics says, the power of the 616 IG created All Realities.

Read the scans above, 'F' I care what anyone says that contradicts that.

qhen did the IB reate an omniverse? Uz clearly in secret wars. There was onky a multiverse?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Starlin was only referring to the pocket universes within the 616 universe, e.g., the Soul Gem universe.

You well know there is no evidence of any kind that suggests Starlin is talking about "pocket realities"

Especially since we know an incomplete IG can control multiple entire Universes
from many universes away.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

You can't possibly ignore how many times Starlin clarifies ad naueseam later on, that they were dealing with the 616 universe. One reality. One plane of existence. One universe. 1 scan that is easily explainable vs. hundreds of scans to the contrary? That doesn't fly.

But 616 Eternity is the source from where everything else springs.
616 Eternity is the foundation which the Infinity Being created the everything on.
616 Eternity is like a cosmic wave,
that changes the landscape as it passes by,
destroying, recreating anew the terrain.

That's what 616 Eternity does, not only does it house the source of everything,
but it remolds while killing and remaking universes:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

I'm not saying you don't have an argument. You have an argument. It's just the vastly weaker argument as far as evidence goes. When the IG actually shows the capacity to instantly destroy/recreate the entire Marvel Multiverse, then you'll have proof for what you're arguing. Until then, you have nothing.

^ Earth-0 is foundation for the entire DC Multiverse. Superman busts Earth-0 with a punch. Superman's punch > DC Multiverse? No. Conflating the 616 universe with the entire Marvel Multiverse would be like conflating 616 Galactus with every single Galactus throughout the entire Marvel Multiverse. No dice.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. magus merged two separate universeS while standing in a totally separate universe. If you're able to do that… that you are clearly beyond universal. Fact.

2. The gems come from the IB the creator of the Omniverse. The didn't bestow SOME of his power he bestowed ALL of his power. So…. the IB is clearly well above multiversal in power… he gives all his power to the gems and they are only universal in power…. Jesus Christ Almighty…. Do you know how ludicrous that line of thoughts sounds?

2. If the Infinity Being bestowed all his power into the 616 Gems, there wouldn't be anything left from which to make the 616 universe or any other alternate universes for that matter. Nice try.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
3. Thanos pwnd in one move two multiversal things…..The UN… was pwned with but a thought… It was further elaborated on by saying… Quasar learns the word ultimate has little meaning in this battle. Those lines make it clear… that even a multiversal and the most powerful weapon in the universe isn't a match for the IG. This couldn't be made more clear and an elementary student would read those lines and know what they mean. Then it pwnd in one move 616 Eternity, which as we know is the most important Eternity and the most powerful. No other Eternity is said to birth ALL universeS and be ALL universeS at once. 616 Eternity has so many lines making it crystal clear how powerful it is compared to any other Eternity. This multi-eternity is just nonsense… show me a handbook about multi-eternity… show me it appearing in any other place besides Abraxas and we'll talk. You won't find it… Wanna know why because it doesn't exist. The SAME Eternity that ODG is claiming is multiversal was made crystal clear in Eternity's own bio that it is the same as the one Thanos fought. This couldn't be more clear. Anyways, Thanos in one move pwnd this multiversal power in one move like it was nothing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
4 Even though Thanos was only concerned with taking over the 616 Universe, Starlin makes it clear this isn't all he's capable of… I'm God of THIS Universe and ALL UniverseS. Again a kid could understand what that line means.

5. What's more.. the LT seemed to imply that he comes on behalf of a higher power.. he seems to imply that he alone couldn't make the gems stop working together, but is coming on behalf of somebody else. Presumably the TOAA. So if this is true… we know what that means right.. if the LT couldn't do it alone… the LT is beyond multiversal... hmmm do the math….

5. The math is, the 616 IG is not multiversal based on no-limits fallacy and wishful thinking.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
6. Simply logic dictates the following and ODG please answer this question… is it possible that one would have to acclimate properly and have enough time to do so.. to fully do all that the iG could do? Isn't this certainly a logical conclusion one could come to… Nobody has had enough time NOR cared to take over anything but the 616 Universe. We've seen that it takes time to acclimate and figure out all one could do with the gems and fully maximize their power. We've seen this on panel to be true. Yet we don't follow that same train of thought and say.. well nobody has really had much time with it and thus hasn't fully acclimated to it, and tried to reach its full potential. As we know omniversal power is in the gems… thus multiversal feats should be no issue. The problem is lack of time and nobody has CARED to take over more than the 616 Universe because it's the main universe.

The point of all this, is to show that the IG is clearly beyond universal and that should be without question. It's at the very least multi-universal and IMO multiversal

IG makes you supreme being over 616 universe. Says so a dozen times. Probably over a hundred times. Don't make me waste my time inundating you with more scans.

I'm so confused. I need a little help here. If Eternity was really the Multiverse in the IG sagas, and Thanos was trying to take his place, then why didn't he call all the abstracts across the multiverse to his aid? Like an infinite numberof Galactuses? How come he didn't call the other Ig's from the other realities to use against the one in the IG saga?

I honestly doubt the IG is multiversal. In FF#571, Reed is summoned to the HQ of the Council of Reed Richards, a group looking to solve every problem across the Multiverse. These Richards have several IG's between them, yet they still need Reed's help. If the IG really was multiversal, they'd simply warp it to fix all problems.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
I'm so confused. I need a little help here. If Eternity was really the Multiverse in the IG sagas, and Thanos was trying to take his place, then why didn't he call all the abstracts across the multiverse to his aid? Like an infinite numberof Galactuses? How come he didn't call the other Ig's from the other realities to use against the one in the IG saga?

It is the source of everything. It's the power cable, and the outlet and the core beneath that.

The entire Race of Celestials was brought into play vs THOTI,
is it not safe to say that all Eternitys could've been part of the story?
Celestials reside across & time, they even have their own entire Universe, filled with them.

So we know Starlin gave us the Celestials of all universes (the entire race)

Yet, only 616 Eternity/Infinity, needed to show to give Thanos everything Marvel had.

Originally posted by Cubey
I honestly doubt the IG is multiversal. In FF#571, Reed is summoned to the HQ of the Council of Reed Richards, a group looking to solve every problem across the Multiverse. These Richards have several IG's between them, yet they still need Reed's help. If the IG really was multiversal, they'd simply warp it to fix all problems.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No one had the 616 IG in that scan and/or story.

We don't insert every alternate incarnation across the Marvel Multiverse into the forms of the Abstracts that showed up in Infinity Gauntlet just because you want them, and the storyline, to be multiversal. It'd be like suggesting that Thor's godblast rocked every Galactus across the Multiverse way back when because someone wants Thor's godblast to be multiversal in scope.

Besides, Starlin clarified that those Abstracts were the 616 universal Abstracts in Infinity Gauntlet #3. Nothing more, nothing less:

This ship be sinking.

Originally posted by lightyeargee

Did they need to have it? It has been shown in many stories that the IGs are universal to their respective universe.

^ Our use of the label "universal power" does not ignore the 616 IG accelerating a universal merger process it neither initiated nor caused. That's still a universal-level feat. It's manipulating the 616 universe.

Surfer merges two stars together while standing in a third star. That's a "stellar" feat. Not a "galactic" feat. Magus accelerates the pre-started merger of two universes. That's a universal feat. Not a multiversal feat. Blinking out and recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly... now that's a multiversal feat.

Face it... we don't label those 5 CCU's as having multiversal power. They did, after all, actually create the duplicate universe and start the merger process. And we definitely don't fool ourselves into thinking the 5 CCU's had multiversal power approaching that of the UN.

So what's the fuss here?

Originally posted by Mr Master
It has also shown that it is atleast [b]multi-Universal when incomplete
at a distance of MANY Universes from the TWO targets (Two entire Universes)
therefore by simple reason, we must conclude that a complete IG must be beyond Universal. [/B]

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Besides, Starlin clarified that those Abstracts were the 616 universal Abstracts in Infinity Gauntlet #3. Nothing more, nothing less:

All Universe come from and die with the one Universe they are all a part of, the 616 Reality,
the Marvel Universe.