Originally posted by lightyeargee
The Infinity Gems working in unison best feat is defeating the 616 abstracts and merging two universes. The AM had the power of everything. The Gems would not beat the AM. They would get absorbed since they are essentially just the power of the Infinity being who is just the creator of the 616. Not even the Omnipotent being of Marvel. AM absorbed the power of artifacts that are as powerful as the IG into himself as well. We are forgetting he was getting the power of everything inside those universes. Like, The Oan Battery. Which itself is a multiversal wrecker. And the power of the Anti-life equation. The Worlogog. Etc. Those were all part of his power.
You have zero clue what you are talking about. Wasn't even Omnipotent... LOL
Originally posted by Mr MasterTwo things: (i) the only thing Dormammu did with this supposed multiversal power at Eternity's core was warp the 616 universe; and (ii) whether that representation of Eternity in the Defenders storyline is multiversal or not, the 616 Eternity that appeared in the Infinity Sagas was not multiversal.
616 Eternity is the center of all reality, it is from 616 Eternity how Universes are born/die, in fact, 616 Eternity has the power to re-create [b]all UniverseS:"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves, Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin, and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, ll Matter, lies, I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event, Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"[/b]
Originally posted by Mr MasterThe term universe has been applied to places like Microverse, various realms, etc. It has not been exclusively used to mean "alternate universe." That is undeniable. Accordingly, there are two interpretations. Unfortunately, there is a glaring problem with your's when it comes to 616 Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Sagas.
This is no surprise, when Dr Strange met 616 Eternity back in the 70's this is what he said:Eternity is Time incarnated ... When he raises [B]a
Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it, Past Present and Future"[/b]
Originally posted by Mr Master616 Galactus' death would precipitate the destruction of the entire Multiverse (and, in fact, did so on-panel during the Abraxas storyline). That does imbue 616 Galactus with multiversal consequence and even multiversal relevance. That does not make 616 Galactus multiversal in scope, i.e., 616 Galactus is every single Galactus across the Multiverse contained in one form. Neither does it make 616 Eternity multiversal in scope either.
This is why 616 Eternity dies .. the Omniverse dies:Uatu and the Watchers realized that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies, the Omniverse will die:
"[b]We concluded that the destruction of This Universe
, while still bounded by the speed of light, would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would, paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial nanoseconds of This Universe.And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ... we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "[/b]
616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas? Clearly universal. As were all the Abstracts that were defeated and showed up at the LT's tribunal. 616 Galactus performed surgery on the comatose form of 616 Eternity in Infinity War. He wasn't performing cosmic surgery on the multiverse. Also in Infinity War, Thanos was proposing going to an alternate universe to obtain an alternate IG to become master of that reality, same as anyone who possessed the 616 IG would become master of the 616 universe. Had the 616 IG offered mastery over all alternate universes throughout the Marvel Multiverse, his statement would have made no sense.
There is one Eternity for each one universe. That's been stated on-panel unequivocally. We've even seen them, e.g., the Eternity that showed up in the What If: Impossible Man Gained the Infinity Gauntlet? storyline represented that alternate universe. 616 Eternity represents the 616 universe. A Multi-Eternity would represent the Marvel Multiverse. The Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Sagas? That was only 616 Eternity, representing the 616 universe. This isn't hard.
Accordingly, there is one set of Infinity Gems for each universe. We've seen them. Suggesting that the 616 Infinity Gems represent power over the entire Marvel Multiverse would make all alternate incarnations superfluous. That clearly is not the case.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
The Infinity Gems working in unison best feat is defeating the 616 abstracts and merging two universes. The AM had the power of everything. The Gems would not beat the AM. They would get absorbed since they are essentially just the power of the Infinity being who is just the creator of the 616. Not even the Omnipotent being of Marvel. AM absorbed the power of artifacts that are as powerful as the IG into himself as well. We are forgetting he was getting the power of everything inside those universes. Like, The Oan Battery. Which itself is a multiversal wrecker. And the power of the Anti-life equation. The Worlogog. Etc. Those were all part of his power.
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Two things: [b](i) the only thing Dormammu did with this supposed multiversal power at Eternity's core was warp the 616 universe; and (ii) whether that representation of Eternity in the Defenders storyline is multiversal or not, the 616 Eternity that appeared in the Infinity Sagas was not multiversal. The term universe has been applied to places like Microverse, various realms, etc. It has not been exclusively used to mean "alternate universe." That is undeniable. Accordingly, there are two interpretations. Unfortunately, there is a glaring problem with your's when it comes to 616 Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Sagas. 616 Galactus' death would precipitate the destruction of the entire Multiverse (and, in fact, did so on-panel during the Abraxas storyline). That does imbue 616 Galactus with multiversal consequence and even multiversal relevance. That does not make 616 Galactus multiversal in scope. Neither does it make 616 Eternity either.616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas? Clearly universal. As were all the Abstracts that were defeated. 616 Galactus performed surgery on the comatose form of 616 Eternity in Infinity War. He wasn't performing cosmic surgery on the multiverse. Thanos was proposing going to an alternate universe to obtain an alternate IG to become master of that reality, same as anyone who possessed the 616 IG would become master of the 616 universe.
There is one Eternity for each one universe. That's been stated on-panel. 616 Eternity represents the 616 universe. The Eternity that showed up in the What If: Impossible Man Gained the Infinity Gauntlet? storyline represented that alternate universe. A Multi-Eternity would represent the Marvel Multiverse. The Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Sagas? That was only 616 Eternity, representing the 616 universe. This isn't hard. [/B]
Do you honestly have any proof of this. It is stated in Eternity's bio that the same Eternity in the Abraxas saga is the same as in the IG's saga. Not any different Eternity. One scan makes it clear that 616 Eternity is without a doubt the main Eternity... that gives birth to ALL universes. Of course this logically makes sense because 616 is the cornerstone of everything in Marvel. It goes.. it all goes. That is the positiion Thanos took for himself with absolute ease. You conceded Eternity's bio makes it clear it's the same Eternity yet what to dismiss this. Sorry can't happen. You also want to dismiss the fact that it is stated 616 is THE Eternity.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Originally posted by Omega Visionclapclap
I think you're looking at the 616 Eternity's death=Multiversal collapse in a strange, skewed way. I think you're assigning greater scope than is inherent in such a position. 616 Eternity may be the Domino that if knocked over would cause the collapse of all other Universes but its still just a single Domino. Its not ALL Dominoes.
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Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiOn-panel > bio. Galactus wasn't performing cosmic surgery on the entire damn multiverse, please.
Do you honestly have any proof of this. It is stated in Eternity's bio that the same Eternity in the Abraxas saga is the same as in the IG's saga. Not any different Eternity. One scan makes it clear that 616 Eternity is without a doubt the main Eternity... that gives birth to ALL universes. Of course this logically makes sense because 616 is the cornerstone of everything in Marvel. It goes.. it all goes. That is the positiion Thanos took for himself with absolute ease. You conceded Eternity's bio makes it clear it's the same Eternity yet what to dismiss this. Sorry can't happen. You also want to dismiss the fact that it is stated 616 is THE Eternity.
"Main Eternity" =/= Multi-Eternity, same as "Main" and "First" Galactus =/= all Galactuses in one form.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiPwned.
Do you honestly have any proof of this. It is stated in Eternity's bio that the same Eternity in the Abraxas saga is the same as in the IG's saga. Not any different Eternity. One scan makes it clear that 616 Eternity is without a doubt the main Eternity... that gives birth to ALL universes. Of course this logically makes sense because 616 is the cornerstone of everything in Marvel. It goes.. it all goes. That is the positiion Thanos took for himself with absolute ease. You conceded Eternity's bio makes it clear it's the same Eternity yet what to dismiss this. Sorry can't happen. You also want to dismiss the fact that it is stated 616 is THE Eternity.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think you're looking at the 616 Eternity's death=Multiversal collapse in a strange, skewed way. I think you're assigning greater scope than is inherent in such a position. 616 Eternity may be the Domino that if knocked over would cause the collapse of all other Universes but its still just a single Domino. Its not ALL Dominoes.
I do appreciate you not quoting Mr. Masters entire post as that would just flood the page with a huge quote which isn't needed. I understand your point but you have to remember... 616 Eternity is outright stated to the one who birth's ALL universes and is the main Eternity. Which of course makes sense as it's 616 Eternity. So no they are ALL the same size dominoes here... We have one domino bigger than all others as a foundation with the other dominoes being the same size.
