Originally posted by quanchi112No, I was pointing out the irony of you lambasting me for supporting another poster's argument out of a supposed cowardice, and then you apparently doing the same thing.
You are latching onto my own responses so it's gotten even worse for you.
Also irony: latching onto your own past responses is a thing we all know you don't do well, seeing as how you contradict yourself regularly.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No, you were imitating me.
No, I was pointing out the irony of you lambasting me for supporting another poster's argument out of a supposed cowardice, and then you apparently doing the same thing.Also irony: latching onto your own past responses is a thing we all know you don't do well, seeing as how you contradict yourself regularly.
I never contradict myself.
^ Pointing out an ironic thing is not imitating that which is the subject of the irony.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiEven granting your unproven premise, "birth" =/= "contain" or "represent." That'd be Multi-Eternity.
I do appreciate you not quoting Mr. Masters entire post as that would just flood the page with a huge quote which isn't needed. I understand your point but you have to remember... 616 Eternity is outright stated to the one who birth's ALL universes and is the main Eternity. Which of course makes sense as it's 616 Eternity. So no they are ALL the same size dominoes here... We have one domino bigger than all others as a foundation with the other dominoes being the same size.
Galactus is the "First Galactus." That doesn't make him all Galactuses contained in his form.
616 Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery. C'mon.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0whether that representation of Eternity in the Defenders storyline is multiversal or not,
the 616 Eternity that appeared in the Infinity Sagas was not multiversal.
Whatever, the Dormy arc mentioned the term "Multiverse"
many more times than the Abraxas arc,
in fact, at one point, Dormy says, 'I conquered the Universe, well Multiverse in my case'
and yet, it's 616 Eternity's power that he has merged with.
Different arcs my ass, it's the same character, the SAME damn character,
616 Eternity
clearly known and confirmed in 616 Eternity's bio.
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning the IG)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Reed using the UN)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Dormy in 616 and merging with Eternity power) *
Originally posted by OneDumbG0A Multi-Eternity would represent the Marvel Multiverse.
There is no "multi" Eternity.
That name was given to Eternity by Captain Universe,
in order to differentiate Eternity from it's aspects.
But what some here have ignored, is that Captain Universe
called this so-called "multi" Eternity ... "Eternity"
he also called this so called "multi" Eternity .. "The Universe",
he did so, on the very SAME splash page where he calls 616 Eternity "multi" ...
Reed (in the Abraxas arc) also called 'multi' Eternity, ... just .... "Eternity"
Roma (in the Abraxas arc) also called All That IS/Was/Ever Will Be ... just Eternity ...
(no 'multi' .. or 'omni' for that matter)
... oh ... and just "The Universe"
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Accordingly, there is one set of Infinity Gems for each universe. We've seen them. Suggesting that the 616 Infinity Gems represent power over the entire Marvel Multiverse would make all alternate incarnations superfluous.
Starlin made it clear for us what Thanos became with the IG:
"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" (Omniverse anyone?)
That's because:
"Thanos, ... In-effect became God"
========================================
Jim Starlin
(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)
gets interviewed by Marvel Age.
Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories from the Writers themselves.
"The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"
..........................................................................................
Jim Starlin himself adds:
"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet"
^ Deflection and reliance on handbooks doesn't change that (i) Dormammu didn't do anything with this "multiversal" power but warp the 616 universe, (ii) the term "universe" has been used to describe realms that do not constitute entire alternate universes, so there is a perfectly plausible (indeed rational) explanation for any minute references you hold upon in contravention of the multitude of references to the contrary, (iii) reverse-projecting a multiversal Eternity onto the universal 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas throws the entire story into inanity, e.g., Galactus performs multiversal surgery, (iv) Cosmic Cube made Thanos, "God," too, so unless that made him multiversal, that purple prose is worth just as much, and (v) selective handbook reading is just that, selective handbook reading.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Deflection and reliance on handbooks doesn't change that [b](i) Dormammu didn't do anything with this "multiversal" power but warp the 616 universe, (ii) the term "universe" has been used to describe realms that do not constitute entire alternate universes, so there is a perfectly plausible (indeed rational) explanation for any minute references you hold upon in contravention of the multitude of references to the contrary, (iii) reverse-projecting a multiversal Eternity onto the universal 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas throws the entire story into inanity, e.g., Galactus performs multiversal surgery, (iv) Cosmic Cube made Thanos, "God," too, so unless that made him multiversal, that purple prose is worth just as much, and (v) selective handbook reading is just that, selective handbook reading. [/B]
So you're saying Dormammu wasn't Multiversal because he didn't perform multiversal feats? That is ludicris. The term multiversal as Masters points out was used MANY more times than in the Abraxas arc which you hold onto so dearly being a multiversal event. So your premise is that in order for something to be multiversal they have to exhibit that kinda of power each of their appearances? Is it not possible for someone or something to be multiversal without displaying said power all the time or some of the time? Furthermore, it is made clear by Marvel and it's canon... The same Eternity in the Abraxas arc is the same Eternity that Thanos defeated. There is no debate you just choose to ignore facts. I've asked for proof of this so many times and you have NONE... Prove that they were different eternity's in the respective stories... You have zero.. nada.. nothing. It's the SAME Eternity. Regardless of that, as I pointed out and as been stated on panel 616 is THE Eternity of all Eternity's period. The same one Thanos pwned with ease and took its place.
Originally posted by Galan007
This point is avoided nearly every time.
as are points brought up to the contrary... avoided with.. that doesn't count... those are just words..... who cares if it says multiversal I didn't see anything multiversal....I will just ignore what is said as canon because I don't like it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Restating what I stated because you cannot think of anything yourself is called imitation.
^ Pointing out an ironic thing is not imitating that which is the subject of the irony. Even granting your unproven premise, "birth" =/= "contain" or "represent." That'd be Multi-Eternity.Galactus is the "First Galactus." That doesn't make him all Galactuses contained in his form.
616 Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery. C'mon.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiOnly certain criteria matters from thread to thread. I have gotten quite used to him discarding previous logic from thread to thread.
So you're saying Dormammu wasn't Multiversal because he didn't perform multiversal feats? That is ludicris. The term multiversal as Masters points out was used MANY more times than in the Abraxas arc which you hold onto so dearly being a multiversal event. So your premise is that in order for something to be multiversal they have to exhibit that kinda of power each of their appearances? Is it not possible for someone or something to be multiversal without displaying said power all the time or some of the time? Furthermore, it is made clear by Marvel and it's canon... The same Eternity in the Abraxas arc is the same Eternity that Thanos defeated. There is no debate you just choose to ignore facts. I've asked for proof of this so many times and you have NONE... Prove that they were different eternity's in the respective stories... You have zero.. nada.. nothing. It's the SAME Eternity. Regardless of that, as I pointed out and as been stated on panel 616 is THE Eternity of all Eternity's period. The same one Thanos pwned with ease and took its place.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
as are points brought up to the contrary... avoided with.. that doesn't count... those are just words..... who cares if it says multiversal I didn't see anything multiversal....I will just ignore what is said as canon because I don't like it.
Generally speaking, comic trumps writer trumps official bios..
If the writer says something in an editors comment, for example, that isn't evident from the comic he wrote, that's not really considered canon.
And I'd love for writers comments to be canon, as that would mean Simonsons comments on how powerful his Darkseid could've been would be canon as well.. He had some pretty big plans for Darkseid that would've made the Superman loss impossible, or at least even more implausable than it already was.
Further, there's such a thing as hyperbole. Referring specifically to Thanos claiming rulership of all universes. Villians tend to do that a lot.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I do appreciate you not quoting Mr. Masters entire post as that would just flood the page with a huge quote which isn't needed. I understand your point but you have to remember... 616 Eternity is outright stated to the one who birth's ALL universes and is the main Eternity. Which of course makes sense as it's 616 Eternity. So no they are ALL the same size dominoes here... We have one domino bigger than all others as a foundation with the other dominoes being the same size.
DC's New Earth/Earth 1/Earth 0 is in a similar position, when it falls the other Universes will follow which is why Darkseid tried taking over that Universe in FC even though there were 51 others to choose from. Doesn't mean that if you destroy New Earth and consequentially the Multiverse with it that you have Multiversal power, it just means you destroyed the foundation and caused all the other Universes to crumble under it.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It doesn't necessitate one domino being larger than the others, just that the domino is in a critical position where it can throw a domino effect tumble all other dominoes.DC's New Earth/Earth 1/Earth 0 is in a similar position, when it falls the other Universes will follow which is why Darkseid tried taking over that Universe in FC even though there were 51 others to choose from. Doesn't mean that if you destroy New Earth and consequentially the Multiverse with it that you have Multiversal power, it just means you destroyed the foundation and caused all the other Universes to crumble under it.
Not a hard concept to grasp, and yet...
Originally posted by Mr Master
Whatever, the Dormy arc mentioned the term "Multiverse"
many more times than the Abraxas arc,
in fact, at one point, Dormy says, 'I conquered the Universe, well Multiverse in my case'
and yet, it's 616 Eternity's power that he has merged with.Different arcs my ass, it's the same character, the SAME damn character,
[b]616 Eternity
clearly known and confirmed in 616 Eternity's bio.616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning the IG)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Reed using the UN)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Dormy in 616 and merging with Eternity power) *
There is no "multi" Eternity.
That name was given to Eternity by Captain Universe,
in order to differentiate Eternity from it's aspects.But what some here have ignored, is that Captain Universe
called this so-called "multi" Eternity ... "Eternity"
he also called this so called "multi" Eternity .. "The Universe",
he did so, on the very SAME splash page where he calls 616 Eternity "multi" ...Reed (in the Abraxas arc) also called 'multi' Eternity, ... just .... "Eternity"
Roma (in the Abraxas arc) also called All That IS/Was/Ever Will Be ... just Eternity ...
(no 'multi' .. or 'omni' for that matter)
... oh ... and just "The Universe"
Starlin made it clear for us what Thanos became with the IG:
"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" (Omniverse anyone?)
That's because:
"Thanos, ... In-effect became God"
========================================
Jim Starlin
(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)
gets interviewed by Marvel Age.
Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories from the Writers themselves."The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"..........................................................................................
Jim Starlin himself adds:
"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet" [/B]
So you're pretty much this boards know it all?
Very nice work.
Originally posted by cdtm
Generally speaking, comic trumps writer trumps official bios..If the writer says something in an editors comment, for example, that isn't evident from the comic he wrote, that's not really considered canon.
And I'd love for writers comments to be canon, as that would mean Simonsons comments on how powerful his Darkseid could've been would be canon as well.. He had some pretty big plans for Darkseid that would've made the Superman loss impossible, or at least even more implausable than it already was.
Further, there's such a thing as hyperbole. Referring specifically to Thanos claiming rulership of all universes. Villians tend to do that a lot.
I have no issue with on panel being worth slightly more than Bio's. However they are BOTH canon. PERIOD. I have zero issue with on panel being worth more though, but that is just it. There is nothing on panel that contradicts the Bio. Nothing. He believes that because we saw alternate versions of various people in the abraxas arc thus the Eternity there had to be some bigger multi eternity (which by the way doesn't exist nor has ever been proven) Then just because there weren't multiple version in the Thanos story thus it "must've been" a different Eternity. Sorry that isn't proof they were different Eternity and thus the Bio is proof and canon to it being the same Eternity. Period.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It doesn't necessitate one domino being larger than the others, just that the domino is in a critical position where it can throw a domino effect tumble all other dominoes.DC's New Earth/Earth 1/Earth 0 is in a similar position, when it falls the other Universes will follow which is why Darkseid tried taking over that Universe in FC even though there were 51 others to choose from. Doesn't mean that if you destroy New Earth and consequentially the Multiverse with it that you have Multiversal power, it just means you destroyed the foundation and caused all the other Universes to crumble under it.
What are we arguing about here? Are you saying I'm claiming that because Thanos beat Eternity that he exhibited Multiversal power? When did I claim such a thing. Show me where I said so? I don't think beating somebody multiversal means you're multiversal. Just because the IG wtf pwnd the multiversal UN doesn't make it Multiversal. That being said, it's not JUST a critical piece in a critical place it is OUTRIGHT STATED to be the most powerful and THE Eternity that gives birth to ALL Universes. We aren't just talking about a unique position and all else is the same. No we are talking about a bigger and better Eternity than ALL other AND it being in a unique position.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It doesn't necessitate one domino being larger than the others, just that the domino is in a critical position where it can throw a domino effect tumble all other dominoes.DC's New Earth/Earth 1/Earth 0 is in a similar position, when it falls the other Universes will follow which is why Darkseid tried taking over that Universe in FC even though there were 51 others to choose from. Doesn't mean that if you destroy New Earth and consequentially the Multiverse with it that you have Multiversal power, it just means you destroyed the foundation and caused all the other Universes to crumble under it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not a hard concept to grasp, and yet...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What are we arguing about here? Are you saying I'm claiming that because Thanos beat Eternity that he exhibited Multiversal power? When did I claim such a thing. Show me where?I don't think beating somebody multiversal means you're multiversal. Just because the IG wtf pwnd the multiversal UN doesn't make it Multiversal. That being said, it's not JUST a critical piece in a critical place it is OUTRIGHT STATED to be the most powerful and THE Eternity that gives birth to ALL Universes. We aren't just talking about a unique position and all else is the same. No we are talking about a bigger and better Eternity than ALL other AND it being in a unique position.
Your right this shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp... what is your issue?
