Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why does it matter to you? Spiderman is just a character.What is it about the fictional society that spiderman lives in that would stop a black man from finding himself in the same situation as a white man? Is the world were spiderman lives a world controlled by white people?
We are not going to change the history of spiderman, but we can retail the story to fit the current world. I don't understand your objection.
well there isn't anything that would stop a black man from finding himself in the same situation....
but it already happened and he was white. Just like blade....i mean he was black and nobody wants that to change either because it already happened that way so it would be ridiculous to change it now.
i have no problem with any race but every charecter that has already been made is already of one race or another....just like you and I...that can't be helped.
not to mention they will have to make JJ black because if you honestly think a minority black male is going to get treated like that by a white boss on screen and it not come off completely racist then your crazy.
Originally posted by BlackZero30xthumbs_up
well there isn't anything that would stop a black man from finding himself in the same situation....but it already happened and he was white. Just like blade....i mean he was black and nobody wants that to change either because it already happened that way so it would be ridiculous to change it now.
i have no problem with any race but every charecter that has already been made is already of one race or another....just like you and I...that can't be helped.
not to mention they will have to make JJ black because if you honestly think a minority black male is going to get treated like that by a white boss on screen and it not come off completely racist then your crazy.
Originally posted by chomperx9
and yes i explained why it wouldnt make sense for him to be black because he has always been a white character.
That's not a reason. That's a homily.
In what way is being white integral to the story of Spiderman?
Originally posted by chomperx9
you cant even answer a damn yes or no question
Because you're blatantly trying to frame the question. When you ask someone a question they have the right to explain their reasoning.
Originally posted by chomperx9
would it make sense for storm to b white in the next x-men film ?
Sure. It would require a number of changes to the character which would probably result in accusations of the "Mighty Whitey" concept but it's entirely doable. Due to lack of backstory for each character in the movies the difficulty would increase dramatically, since justifications would have to happen outside of the narrative.
Besides they cast the whites black women they could find 😛
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosthen i have my right to explain my reasoning and not answer your questions when you arent even man enough to answer a yes or no question after ive described and answered your questions many times. your just racist if you cant answer my question.
That's not a reason. That's a homily.In what way is being white integral to the story of Spiderman?
Because you're blatantly trying to frame the question. When you ask someone a question they have the right to explain their reasoning.
Sure. It would require a number of changes to the character which would probably result in accusations of the "Mighty Whitey" concept but it's entirely doable. Due to lack of backstory for each character in the movies the difficulty would increase dramatically, since justifications would have to happen outside of the narrative.
Besides they cast the whites black women they could find 😛
ok if balrog is complicated for you to answer then tell me how would you feel with storm being white in the next x-men film ?
and tell me how thats an unfair question ? i described how i feel about parker being black in the next spiderman film spit out your reason why or why not you think its cool for storm to be white next time she is in an x-men film.
if my question is unfair than yours are to.
I'm scared now. In the past, there were rumors that Will Smith will play as Captain America. Obviously that would never happen but eversince I heard the news of Spidey back and black, I'm now getting worried that America's hero will be played by a black guy.
For the record, I'm not being racist. I'm a guy who likes characters being as true as they are and that goes for skin color as well. For example, if a white guy plays as Black Panther, I would be upset.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
well there isn't anything that would stop a black man from finding himself in the same situation....but it already happened and he was white. Just like blade....i mean he was black and nobody wants that to change either because it already happened that way so it would be ridiculous to change it now.
i have no problem with any race but every charecter that has already been made is already of one race or another....just like you and I...that can't be helped.
not to mention they will have to make JJ black because if you honestly think a minority black male is going to get treated like that by a white boss on screen and it not come off completely racist then your crazy.
It is fiction; it really didn't happen. It's just a story. We can tell the story over and over again, and customize it to fit the modern day.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
I'm scared now. In the past, there were rumors that Will Smith will play as Captain America. Obviously that would never happen but eversince I heard the news of Spidey back and black, I'm now getting worried that America's hero will be played by a black guy.For the record, I'm not being racist. I'm a guy who likes characters being as true as they are and that goes for skin color as well. For example, if a white guy plays as Black Panther, I would be upset.
What does "as true as they are" actually mean?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is fiction; it really didn't happen. It's just a story. We can tell the story over and over again, and customize it to fit the modern day.
Indeed it is fiction but apparently you don't read a lot of comics.
(no offense meant)
the fact is the way comics are set up its a big community now....like a universe of fiction....so changing something changes the entire universe.
in addition make no mistake is spider-man was black and they wanted a white guy to play him id be arguing that just as well.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Indeed it is fiction but apparently you don't read a lot of comics.
(no offense meant)the fact is the way comics are set up its a big community now....like a universe of fiction....so changing something changes the entire universe.
in addition make no mistake is spider-man was black and they wanted a white guy to play him id be arguing that just as well.
No I don't read any comics. I'm still waiting for them to come out with A Brief History of Time in comic strip. 😆
What you are telling me is nutty! Really, man.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Indeed it is fiction but apparently you don't read a lot of comics.
(no offense meant)the fact is the way comics are set up its a big community now....like a universe of fiction....so changing something changes the entire universe.
If only comic book writers had developed some technique for allowing themselves to tell stories that don't fit in with or even explicitly contradict the (current) facts of the primary universe their stories are set in. An alternative, if you will, to the restrictions of continuity. That way you could explore variations on existing stories without disrupting the ones that already exist in the slightest.
It would be sort of like if you built a cannon and told a story about it. Then wrote a story about what would have been different if you built a lamp-post instead. You could title it A Non-Cannon Story.
Sadly I know of no method of doing this and we are doomed to never know. I guess we can only ever ask What If?
*cough*
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If only comic book writers had developed some technique for allowing themselves to tell stories that don't fit in with or even explicitly contradict the (current) facts of the primary universe their stories are set in. An alternative, if you will, to the restrictions of continuity. That way you could explore variations on existing stories without disrupting the ones that already exist in the slightest.It would be sort of like if you built a cannon and told a story about it. Then wrote a story about what would have been different if you built a lamp-post instead. You could title it A Non-Cannon Story.
Sadly I know of no method of doing this and we are doomed to never know. I guess we can only ever ask What If?
*cough*
haha that's funny because
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
i understand that i really do but idk i just feel when a character is created one race it should stay that way unless it's a special circumstance.for example an alternate reality such as what if or else worlds.
so when the story starts out with the watcher at the beginning stating this is what if then we got a movie 😉
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
haha that's funny becauseso when the story starts out with the watcher at the beginning stating this is what if then we got a movie 😉
Movies are always automatically alternate continuity 😐
That's why no one in the comics remembers that time Magneto flew to Alcatraz on the Golden Gate Bridge. Or how about that time Doctor Strange spent as a strange faux-anime action hero in his 30s? Or the time that Captain America looked an awful lot like Reb Brown and used a plastic shield? Or that time Kingpin was a black guy?
Oh, or the five years when Hulk was just a normal sized guy with rage issues?
Usually I would laugh at these stories...however, when a black Catwoman was done with Halle Berry I was spewing fire and wanted to chop off the peanut size nuts of the DC/WB executive who gave it a green light.
Yeah, Eartha Kitt would only be the exception since she had a very likeable personality...but still...
Anywhoo, people who are promoting this and saying "Oh, who cares?! let there be no color lines a black man SHOULD be allowed to play Spiderman, Luke Skywalker, Robocop, Captain America and so on...."
Well, then why not make a Martin Luther King Jr. film featuring John Goodman? Hell! it works both ways.
Then again someone will come here and say "Well, WD...MLK Jr isn't a fictional character...therefore you're one Racist SOB!"
I would just reply: "So? it's only a movie...it's not re-writing history...so yeah! Support WD on his agenda to make John Goodman play the role of Martin Luther King Jr."
SUCKAS!
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Well, then why not make a Martin Luther King Jr. film featuring John Goodman? Hell! it works both ways.
Because telling the story of MLK requires telling the story of a black man in the 1950s-60s; his race is quite integral to that story unless you deny the whole civil rights movement. What you could do is cast John Goodman as a "Martin King" in an allegorical story meant to talk about the life of MLK.
We can do this with white characters too. For example, the White Martians have to be white, it's right there in the name! Or more seriously the Queen of Fables is pulled straight out of European folklore, it would be nonsensical for her to be black or asian unless you were to establish a continuity where Europe was primarily black or asian.
On the other hand Spiderman is the story of "a nerd who gets superpowers". Now unless you're going to put forward the idea that black people can't be socially awkward or intellectually brilliant there is no reason that the character must be white. It is not integral to his story.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because telling the story of MLK requires telling the story of a black man in the 1950s-60s; his race is quite integral to that story unless you deny the whole civil rights movement. What you could do is cast John Goodman as a "Martin King" in an allegorical story meant to talk about the life of MLK.We can do this with white characters too. For example, the White Martians have to be white, it's right there in the name! Or more seriously the Queen of Fables is pulled straight out of European folklore, it would be nonsensical for her to be black or asian unless you were to establish a continuity where Europe was primarily black or asian.
On the other hand Spiderman is the story of "a nerd who gets superpowers". Now unless you're going to put forward the idea that black people can't be socially awkward or intellectually brilliant there is no reason that the character must be white. It is not integral to his story.
Originally posted by WickedDynamiteI would just reply: "So? it's only a movie...it's not re-writing history...so yeah! Support WD on his agenda to make John Goodman play the role of Martin Luther King Jr."
SUCKAS!
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wait a second!That's supposed to be the response to: "Well, WD...MLK Jr isn't a fictional character...therefore you're one Racist SOB!"
My response had nothing to do with him being a real person nuts
It's a pretty general response. Just in case it flies over your head.
John Goodman=Martin Luther King Jr....in a movie.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Movies are always automatically alternate continuity 😐That's why no one in the comics remembers that time Magneto flew to Alcatraz on the Golden Gate Bridge. Or how about that time Doctor Strange spent as a strange faux-anime action hero in his 30s? Or the time that Captain America looked an awful lot like Reb Brown and used a plastic shield? Or that time Kingpin was a black guy?
Oh, or the five years when Hulk was just a normal sized guy with rage issues?
that's all fine but like i said make sure the watcher is there to explain this isn't real because spider-mans actually not black.
look i understand people have issues with people like me thinking this is horrible.....well let me say this simply.
its not the color it's the detail...for gods sake if mary janes hair was black,white,gray, brown ect then that's bullcrap.....her hair is red. any detail that is that easy to notice should not be changed.
i mean i have black friends and a black brother in law and when they are around i don't censor myself because of that because i don't see them as "black" soo this is so far away from being race issues.
it's just skin pigment is a pretty noticeable detail to change.