Originally posted by BlackZero30xAll comic movie have been what if stories.
a) No we have never needed that before because their has been no what if stories in movies before. but if this is going to be a what if movie then it need to be done that way because the movie verse is based on the comicverse.but according to your logic why not change his name and make it so his parents raised him. Or how bout make his costume different looking.
you know why not? because then this wouldn't be spider-man and making him black would be the same thing as changing the story or costume.
B) no i thought it would be nice to use something like this
"I am Uatu the Watcher. I observe but never interfere. the following is going to happen based on change. The events that are unfolding tell the story of Spider-Man if he would have been a black male."
or something close to that.
You could change his costume and he'd still be Spiderman, it has happened in the comics.
No offense, but the Uatu idea is completely stupid.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
a) No we have never needed that before because their has been no what if stories in movies before.
All movies are what ifs. All movies are alternate continuities. None of them have needed a Watcher to tell us that because everyone knows that.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
but according to your logic why not change his name and make it so his parents raised him.
Like Ben Parker from Universe X? Yeah, they did that and he was still Spiderman just fat and named Ben.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Or how bout make his costume different looking.
You mean like they've done about six times in comics already? Guess what... he was still Spiderman.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
All movies are what ifs. All movies are alternate continuities. None of them have needed a Watcher to tell us that because everyone knows that.Like Ben Parker from Universe X? Yeah, they did that and he was still Spiderman just fat and named Ben.
You mean like they've done about six times in comics already? Guess what... he was still Spiderman.
i love how your being difficult lol.
no the movies are not "what if" in fact they are the canon continuity of the movie verse.
yea just like Uni X
and no the way you stated the costume thing really wasn't what i meant....i mean completely change it so it had nothing to do with spider-man but you know that's ok 🙄 ......none of which were mainstream canon continuity. but in the movie verse it would be mainstream canon continuity. So they should definitely not change that unless it's going to be a movie that WONT be considered canon.
for example Iron Man and the New hulk are canon in the movie verse. so to throw out a Spider-Man movie set then reboot (making the reboot canon) that's a horrible idea to make him black.....because black spider-man is not and never will be canon material for any kind of mainstream universe....movie or other wise. Just like to have a white luke cage, blade, storm, or any other black character will never be Mainstream canon material....movie or other wise. I would be just as strongly against a reboot on blade and making him white.
Originally posted by steverules_2That's what I meant...
Simply put I think spiderman should be done like this😖hifty:
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
i love how your being difficult lol.no the movies are not "what if" in fact they are the canon continuity of the movie verse.
yea just like Uni X
and no the way you stated the costume thing really wasn't what i meant....i mean completely change it so it had nothing to do with spider-man but you know that's ok 🙄 ......none of which were mainstream canon continuity. but in the movie verse it would be mainstream canon continuity. So they should definitely not change that unless it's going to be a movie that WONT be considered canon.
for example Iron Man and the New hulk are canon in the movie verse. so to throw out a Spider-Man movie set then reboot (making the reboot canon) that's a horrible idea to make him black.....because black spider-man is not and never will be canon material for any kind of mainstream universe....movie or other wise. Just like to have a white luke cage, blade, storm, or any other black character will never be Mainstream canon material....movie or other wise. I would be just as strongly against a reboot on blade and making him white.
So if the story turned out to be great
Cast acted perfectly
Script was great
CGI was great
Character was great ie; still felt like it was a geek , still the same insecurities from the comic book, all matched up perfectly.
You would still not accept the movie, on the basis of 'they didnt get the skin colour right' inspite of all the other great points?
Seriously?
i mean, i get where your coming from. Storm, well she's an african in the books, T'challa an african , and personally i would be up in arms at the thought of Brad Pitt as T'challa..- brilliant actor - but ..you get my point.
But Peter Parker DOESN'T have to be white. T'challa being an african king..well it's almost implied. Pete being a geek from the inner city, and having a poor family..well, he's half black already!! The character itself doesn't require that he be white. He's a geek first, a highschool student second, a loving nephew third, being white need not even be included in the 4th 5th 6th..etc.
needs must, and it need not be.
Originally posted by chomperx9
jay leno should be marting luther king instead of goodman
Nah! Leno would be more of a Jesse Jackson....they're both overrated has beens.
We should bring back the Blackface days. I know Tropic Thunder did it with Robert Downey Jr. Imagine the possibilities with that make up on John Goodman! He would make an excellent portrayal of MLK Jr.
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Nah! Leno would be more of a Jesse Jackson....they're both overrated has beens.We should bring back the Blackface days. I know Tropic Thunder did it with Robert Downey Jr. Imagine the possibilities with that make up on John Goodman! He would make an excellent portrayal of MLK Jr.
what about Jackie Chan as T'Challa
besides Peter Parker is white, has been white and will forever be white
Originally posted by Juk3n
So if the story turned out to be great
Cast acted perfectly
Script was great
CGI was great
Character was great ie; still felt like it was a geek , still the same insecurities from the comic book, all matched up perfectly.You would still not accept the movie, on the basis of 'they didnt get the skin colour right' inspite of all the other great points?
Seriously?
i mean, i get where your coming from. Storm, well she's an african in the books, T'challa an african , and personally i would be up in arms at the thought of Brad Pitt as T'challa..- brilliant actor - but ..you get my point.
But Peter Parker DOESN'T have to be white. T'challa being an african king..well it's almost implied. Pete being a geek from the inner city, and having a poor family..well, he's half black already!! The character itself doesn't require that he be white. He's a geek first, a highschool student second, a loving nephew third, being white need not even be included in the 4th 5th 6th..etc.
needs must, and it need not be.
well are you saying that you want Vin Diesel as blade?
Originally posted by Juk3n
Riddick as Blade? Hell yeah, shit, he's half way there anyway with those Vamp looking eyes and mad knife skills.
Id pre-book that shit!
and see that's why were different....because Vin can not play Blade because blades black.
he made a great Riddick and i have all 3 of the movies but i certainly would not want him to be blade.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
and see that's why were different....because Vin can not play Blade because blades black.he made a great Riddick and i have all 3 of the movies but i certainly would not want him to be blade.
see thats where we're different, skin colour doesn't factor into my decision whether A) the movie is good or B) the STORY fits comic continuity(which by all means it doesnt have to)
each to there own i suppose.
Thats where madness lays, "OMG, HIS JACKET IS BLUE IN THE COMIC NOT GREEN, FAIL!!"
the colour of a jacket? the size of the hammer? the height of Hulk? The weight of Juggernaut? these are all just minor details, just like skin colour..in movies. As minor as a different colour coat. And it matter less. You're getting the same old spidey tales with a different box art, NO.BIG.DEAL.
Originally posted by Juk3n
see thats where we're different, skin colour doesn't factor into my decision whether A) the movie is good or B) the STORY fits comic continuity(which by all means it doesnt have to)each to there own i suppose.
Thats where madness lays, "OMG, HIS JACKET IS BLUE IN THE COMIC NOT GREEN, FAIL!!"
the colour of a jacket? the size of the hammer? the height of Hulk? The weight of Juggernaut? these are all just minor details, just like skin colour..in movies. As minor as a different colour coat. And it matter less. You're getting the same old spidey tales with a different box art, NO.BIG.DEAL.
ok get it i really do but I think judging from your points we both know this argument has little to do with race.
like you said
Originally posted by Juk3n
"OMG, HIS JACKET IS BLUE IN THE COMIC NOT GREEN, FAIL!!"
the truth is it's not that he can't be a good spider-man because he's black....because im sure he could. but because peter parker was created as white you have people like me who want to honor the character by keeping at close as possible and making him a poor black genius growing up in new york is just to much of a change.
Not mention if it happens all the people like myself that will believe he's getting based purely on shock value.
I mean this in the most non racist way but truthfully i feel that they would cast him and say something like..... "when we did the casting process he was simply the best, race didn't factor in at all"
but what they truly did it for was to draw people in for the money.
they may as well make a statement saying "we cast don glover because we wanted to shock people to the point they will think of this as a historic day and everyone wants to be apart of that so were gonna make a butt load off of this publicity stunt." at least they would be telling the truth