Rank street levelers.

In terms of the performance they've had against other martial artists/street levelers from their universe.

Batman
Captain America
Bullseye
Elektra
Nightwing
Daredevil
Batgirl
Shang Chi
Richard Dragon
Wolverine
Black Panther
Lady Shiva
Iron Fist
Deathstroke

That's kind of difficult to do since we see so many stalemates and non-fights between these people. You almost could put that list in any order you want to and a case could be made for it.

Actually, having been so many fights between all of them and against others, including stalemates, doesn't make ranking them harder. Quite the opposite.

Kinda hard to do. Given the stips..

Elektra
Wolverine
Daredevil
Shiva
Cap
Ironfist

are blocked together in the top spot struggle. As for there actual overall formidability as h2h combatants.

Wolverine sits top because of HF and Adamantium.

Ironfist
Elektra
Steve
Shang-Chi

(the next four are iffy and places can juggle, or even swap the weakest one with Batgirl)

T'Challa
Deathstroke
Daredevil
Shiva

Batgirl
Richard Dragon
Batman
Bullseye
Nightwing

Originally posted by Juk3n
Kinda hard to do. Given the stips..

Elektra
Wolverine
Daredevil
Shiva
Cap
Ironfist

are blocked together in the top spot struggle. As for there actual overall formidability as h2h combatants.

Wolverine sits top because of HF and Adamantium.

Ironfist
Elektra
Steve
Shang-Chi

(the next four are iffy and places can juggle, or even swap the weakest one with Batgirl)

T'Challa
Deathstroke
Daredevil
Shiva

Batgirl
Richard Dragon
Batman
Bullseye
Nightwing

This

Originally posted by Juk3n
Kinda hard to do. Given the stips..

Elektra
Wolverine
Daredevil
Shiva
Cap
Ironfist

are blocked together in the top spot struggle. As for there actual overall formidability as h2h combatants.

Wolverine sits top because of HF and Adamantium.

Ironfist
Elektra
Steve
Shang-Chi

(the next four are iffy and places can juggle, or even swap the weakest one with Batgirl)

T'Challa
Deathstroke
Daredevil
Shiva

Batgirl
Richard Dragon
Batman
Bullseye
Nightwing

how can batman be at the bottom? you put black panther daredevil and captain america over batman?sorry i call it a big pile of bullshit

The issue is that from that list Batman IS at bottom.

Batman beating T'Challa in a dojo is arguable, so is Batman beating Daredevil in a gearless encounter. so yes i put them both at 6/10 over batman.

Originally posted by Bentley
The issue is that from that list Batman IS at bottom.

indeed, well..not the very bottom but very close without his gear.

cap is the best IMO 😊

Cassandra Cain should be pretty high up. Beat Shiva, draws with Slade in all their fights, pretty much loses to no-one in martial arts unless they have powers.

Lawlz at the placings of Batman, Cassie and Richard Dragon.

Originally posted by Q99
Cassandra Cain should be pretty high up. Beat Shiva, draws with Slade in all their fights, pretty much loses to no-one in martial arts unless they have powers.

or is scared witless of Slade? 😕

Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
Lawlz at the placings of Batman, Cassie and Richard Dragon.

why, the middle of the list is so tightly compacted there is barely anything seperating them, but by the tinyest of margins, Bat is below alot of people here. Or at leaset, it can be argued 6/10 against batman in ALOT of these cases.

Captain America vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Elektra vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Daredevil vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Shang Chi vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Wolverine vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Black Panther vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Lady Shiva vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Iron Fist vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Deathstroke vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.

6/10 on alot of cases but Bats has an uphill struggle against all of the above, no doubt.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Kinda hard to do. Given the stips..

Elektra
Wolverine
Daredevil
Shiva
Cap
Ironfist

are blocked together in the top spot struggle. As for there actual overall formidability as h2h combatants.

Wolverine sits top because of HF and Adamantium.

Ironfist
Elektra
Steve
Shang-Chi

(the next four are iffy and places can juggle, or even swap the weakest one with Batgirl)

T'Challa
Deathstroke
Daredevil
Shiva

Batgirl
Richard Dragon
Batman
Bullseye
Nightwing

Based on performances against other streets, like the thread starter said, Batman should be near the top at least.

Originally posted by namorsubby
There's not one DC street near the top. Why so?

Its a very tight list, the difference is minimal. i just happen to give the Marvelites a 6/10 in the cases. DD vs BG = dd 6/10 , same for shiva. T'challa could possibly take 6/10 from the DC girls aswell as From Bruce. Possibly 5/5 split with Deathstroke.

Elektra Takes a solid major from the DC ers going by actual martial showings and displays.

Ironfist rapes stomps everyone on DC here. Wolverine beats them all soundly. Steve Rogers takes a solid 6/10 at least from them all. Not really that much room for them in the top spot now is there?

Originally posted by namorsubby

Based on performances against other streets, like the thread starter said, Batman should be near the top at least.

And replace him with who in my list?

Originally posted by Juk3n
Its a very tight list, the difference is minimal. i just happen to give the Marvelites a 6/10 in the cases. DD vs BG = dd 6/10 , same for shiva. T'challa could possibly take 6/10 from the DC girls aswell as From Bruce. Possibly 5/5 split with Deathstroke.

Elektra Takes a solid major from the DC ers going by actual martial showings and displays.

Ironfist rapes stomps everyone on DC here. Wolverine beats them all soundly. Steve Rogers takes a solid 6/10 at least from them all. Not really that much room for them in the top spot now is there?

And replace him with who in my list?

So you really feel no DC characters deserve to be in the top or in front of those marvel characters?

give me an example of who you would swap out?

1. Dragon: Stalemated Batman without trying, called Bruce a "talented amateur". He would have killed Shiva if interference hadn't prevented it.

2. Shiva: Nightwing and Oracle have both strongly suggest that she is better than Bruce, and Batman himself has thought as much. She is a match for Dragon, but he seems to have the edge.

3. Cass: I feel that Cass > Shiva is largely CIS on Shiva's part, although she is still a contender. Deathstroke says Bruce couldn't beat her on his best day. I won't fault anyone who places her above Shiva though.

4. Deathstroke: Has way more trouble with streets than he should, but on average still is above Batman (if only slightly) and Nightwing. He says the only way for him to beat Cass is with CIS.

5. Batman: He's Batman. He'll put up a fight against anyone on this list, and has stalemated most of them but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence against him and when establishing a hierarchy it hurts his placement.

6. Nightwing: He thinks he can beat Cass in h2h. Dick is allegedly the equal of Bruce now according to some interviews, but I don't know if I buy it.

The Marvel placement is more difficult and convoluted - I'll post it when I finish.

Originally posted by Juk3n
why, the middle of the list is so tightly compacted there is barely anything seperating them, but by the tinyest of margins, Bat is below alot of people here. Or at leaset, it can be argued 6/10 against batman in ALOT of these cases.

Richard Dragon has pretty much a perfect record, casually having the upperhand on the likes of Batman, dominating and/or beating Shiva (in two separate series, at least one of them being canon).

Batgirl has consistently proven to be above the best, be it Lady Shiva (twice, the second and last time even more conclusivly), Bronze Tiger (even as a little girl) with Bruce and many others giving her mad props at every change as the perfect fighter.

Batman has fought Karate Kid (two versions, including the pre-Crisis one) and performed exceptionally, had the upperhand in direct h2h combat against peak Prometheus in the rematch (this is actually an insane feat), stalemated and/or defeated Lady Shiva (it's ambiguous whether or not there was mind-control involved when he defeated her), King Snake, David Caine, Ra's Al Ghul in sword fights (centuries old) and many others.

Their record are certainly one of, if not the best and to put them at the bottom is laughably ignorant.

I don't have to call you dumb for not being able to read the thread's purpose properly, as in this not being a one-on-one vs match between the contestants (which you're trying to make it) but a performance chart, do I?

Deathstroke's Meta abilities put him somewhere near the very top IMO. Batman has to be near the top, if we're considering overall impressiveness as displayed in feats.

just saying those, It's seems all the marvel characters are at the top, and all the DC characters are at the bottom. You've even got bullseye in front of Nightwing, in h2h formmidability? really?