Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, Batman also stopped Cassandra in No Man's Land pretty much using one hand the whole time. I believe he blocked with the offhand once.
He was purposely showing her his clear superiority.
"I can stop them. I can stop them all."
Cassandra improved a lot post-NML, worth noting is one year before their duel, it was stated that Cassandra would flat-out lose to Shiva. It's only that training that allowed her to win.
In issue 50 of Batgirl, Batman and Cassandra fought in extended combat and she had him on the defensive/retreating most of the time.
Cassandra regularly does better against Deathstroke than Batman does.
From the way Batman talks to her and about her with fighting involved, I'm pretty sure he gives her the slight nod in martial arts over just about everyone.
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I do find it odd that people rate Shiva above Cass, when Cassandra has beaten her twice (in fights Shiva acknowledges as clean defeats) and IMO generally has better showings.
Originally posted by Q99I imagine she would get better than Bruce pretty much showing her he can own her with one hand. But worth noting is that even back then Bruce and others would talk her up. It's a confidence thing. Like saying Tim is a better detective than Bruce, lol.
Cassandra improved a lot post-NML, worth noting is one year before their duel, it was stated that Cassandra would flat-out lose to Shiva. It's only that training that allowed her to win.In issue 50 of Batgirl, Batman and Cassandra fought in extended combat and she had him on the defensive/retreating most of the time.
Cassandra regularly does better against Deathstroke than Batman does.
From the way Batman talks to her and about her with fighting involved, I'm pretty sure he gives her the slight nod in martial arts over just about everyone.
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I do find it odd that people rate Shiva above Cass, when Cassandra has beaten her twice (in fights Shiva acknowledges as clean defeats) and IMO generally has better showings.
Bruce beat Shiva too, though she may have been mind controlled, it wasn't verified however.
And issue 50 also resulted in a stalemate as well.
And are we considering pure hand to hand in this thread? Because the OP doesn't say so. Just steel levels performance against others.
If we consider Bruce gets his gadgets, he'll destroy Cassandra. And in all likely-hood probably has more than a dozen ways to stop her cold not even considering getting into hand to hand, then would easily be a match for her up close.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
but dident it turn out she was actaully toying with him and he thought he was dominating but then he started coughing up blood and she smiled at him?
It largely the opinion of Batman fans that Bruce Wayne briefly suffered from a unmentioned, one time only case of consumption that he cured off panel. dur
The "fight" ended with him coughing up blood and having no idea that Cass had even done something that would cause that to happen. Not really sure how that can possibly be misconstrued into Batman having an edge... but Batman fans are tricky (read: completely and totally insane and delusional) like that.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It largely the opinion of Batman fans that Bruce Wayne briefly suffered from a unmentioned, one time only case of consumption that he cured off panel. durThe "fight" ended with him coughing up blood and having no idea that Cass had even done something that would cause that to happen. Not really sure how that can possibly be misconstrued into Batman having an edge... but Batman fans are tricky (read: completely and totally insane and delusional) like that.
All that's happened is his forearm has cuts on it. She gets blood on her from them, but the existed before, so weren't caused by her.
In the event that is the case either way, she did land one blow in that fight, punched him in the mouth.
Either way, it ended with her like a deer in headlights as he stopped at her neck with what was shown to us in flashback to be an ending blow.
He had her, and easily.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Yeah, no.Richard Dragon has pretty much a perfect record, casually having dominating and/or beating Shiva (in two separate series, at least one of them being canon).
I have the fight when Shiva's henchmen save her from Richard, which title/number is there other fight??
Originally posted by Juntai
You have scans?
Looking at No Man's Land Volume 3 right now. Where's it at?
Unless it's a panel they cut out of the trade specifically, because we see him leave the graveyard that battle happens in and no such thing happened.All that's happened is his forearm has cuts on it. She gets blood on her from them, but the existed before, so weren't caused by her.
In the event that is the case either way, she did land one blow in that fight, punched him in the mouth.
Either way, it ended with her like a deer in headlights as he stopped at her neck with what was shown to us in flashback to be an ending blow.
He had her, and easily.
I remember that one. Yeah Batman did have the advantage on Cass.
The other one Cass had the advantage on him when he coughed up blood. But IIRC Batman had asked her not to hold back on him.
The other fight was like Batman 50 or Batgirl 50 as they were both under a the influence of a gas or something. That fight was a draw.
Showing more or less these two are portrayed as equals.
Here are my rankings.
Marvel (Pure skill)
1.Shang-chi
2.Daredevil
3.Ironfist
4.Elektra
5.Steve
6.Logan
7.BlackPanther(BP or Logan can be very interchangeable)
DC(Pure skill)
1.Richard Dragon
2.Batgirl
3.Batman(Bat or BG are interchangeable really)
4.Shiva
5.Slade
6.Nightwing(though he's definitely skill wise on the rise)
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Here are my rankings.Marvel (Pure skill)
1.Shang-chi
2.Daredevil
3.Ironfist
4.Elektra
5.Steve
6.Logan
7.BlackPanther(BP or Logan can be very interchangeable)DC(Pure skill)
1.Richard Dragon
2.Batgirl
3.Batman(Bat or BG are interchangeable really)
4.Shiva
5.Slade
6.Nightwing(though he's definitely skill wise on the rise)
lol