Originally posted by galactusischereNo Flash didn't steal Cheetah's extra speed, He stole her speed period. It's a tactic he does all the time. Cheetah didn't get a power boost from Zoom she got a knowlege boost.
So? It's not like BA would utterly stomp Apoc(I would give him a 7-8/10 agaisnt Poccy). And as I said before, we should go by consistent feats. If Jay on a regular basis gets to fight and actually give BA trouble, then Teth isn't all that. Apocalypse can regenerate from goo and has a failry decent HF, how does Cheetah's magical claws hurt him?
Diana has FTL reflexes? I only know of one instance when she has reacted at FTL(the shattered gods).As Tyrant said before, Flash did steal the extra speed which she had gained in 214.
IMO, Apoc would levitate and start blasting Cheetah from range. I can't see Cheetah taking any wins over him. She's only got speed on Apoxy lips, nothing else.
Edit- When did Apocalypse battle with Makarri? Was in in Eternals vol 4?
She(WW) has FTL shown when she fought Amazo, Amazo's Son, Superman, Martians, And Zoom. And Speed is killer. Apoc wont' be able to levitate before She's all over him. I think he wins but not with out a hell of a fight. And if it's out of then, She takes 4 of them.
Originally posted by galactusischere
So? It's not like BA would utterly stomp Apoc(I would give him a 7-8/10 agaisnt Poccy). And as I said before, we should go by consistent feats. If Jay on a regular basis gets to fight and actually give BA trouble, then Teth isn't all that. Apocalypse can regenerate from goo and has a failry decent HF, how does Cheetah's magical claws hurt him?
Diana has FTL reflexes? I only know of one instance when she has reacted at FTL(the shattered gods).As Tyrant said before, Flash did steal the extra speed which she had gained in 214.
IMO, Apoc would levitate and start blasting Cheetah from range. I can't see Cheetah taking any wins over him. She's only got speed on Apoxy lips, nothing else.
Edit- When did Apocalypse battle with Makarri? Was in in Eternals vol 4?
speed stealing is temporary, not permanent.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
No Flash didn't steal Cheetah's extra speed, He stole her speed period. It's a tactic he does all the time. Cheetah didn't get a power boost from Zoom she got a knowlege boost.She(WW) has FTL shown when she fought Amazo, Amazo's Son, Superman, Martians, And Zoom. And Speed is killer. Apoc wont' be able to levitate before She's all over him. I think he wins but not with out a hell of a fight. And if it's out of then, She takes 4 of them.
She IIRC still was fast after she 'kissed' Flash. She kileld the original Cheetah to get her power boost and Zoom did tell her that he couldn't help, so IDK.
How is tying Amazo up before he can react FTL? She also sneaked up on him. Kid Amazo? She got utterly stomped by him. When has she fought Superman at FTL? She only got back from the sun after Superman hit her to it. By White Martians, do you mean Primaid? When did they fight at light speed? I don't really recall that fight for some reason. But I find it impossible for blind WW to actually tag Zoom. I have to look back on that one. Apoc isn't exactly slow either, and there is that nasty teleportation.
Originally posted by galactusischereYour interpretation of events precludes some bias against the female hero. Amazo had the speed of Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash. She not only tied him up before he could react, she tied him up before anyone else seen her move. Including Superman. Don't remember any sneaking. I remember Kid Amazo was tapping Flash's Speed when she got him in a choke hold. Also, I"m not talking about when they went to the sun, I'm talking about when Superman attacked her with his heat vision and was moving in for the kill. She deflected said attacks with one hand. And yes she tagged Zoom. Cheetah is still faster than Wonder Woman. She could blitz Apoc to dust if she fought like a true speedster instead of clawing all of the time.
She IIRC still was fast after she 'kissed' Flash. She kileld the original Cheetah to get her power boost and Zoom did tell her that he couldn't help, so IDK.How is tying Amazo up before he can react FTL? She also sneaked up on him. Kid Amazo? She got utterly stomped by him. When has she fought Superman at FTL? She only got back from the sun after Superman hit her to it. By White Martians, do you mean Primaid? When did they fight at light speed? I don't really recall that fight for some reason. But I find it impossible for blind WW to actually tag Zoom. I have to look back on that one. Apoc isn't exactly slow either, and there is that nasty teleportation.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Amazo had the speed of Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash. She not only tied him up before he could react, she tied him up before anyone else seen her move. Including Superman. Don't remember any sneaking.
I remember Kid Amazo was tapping Flash's Speed when she got him in a choke hold.KA was busy fighting a bunch of other JLAers when she got him in a choke hold. The second time they fought, when KA fought them all out, they got beat up fairly easily.
Also, I"m not talking about when they went to the sun, I'm talking about when Superman attacked her with his heat vision and was moving in for the kill.
She deflected said attacks with one hand. And yes she tagged Zoom. Cheetah is still faster than Wonder Woman. She could blitz Apoc to dust if she fought like a true speedster instead of clawing all of the time.
Originally posted by galactusischereShe didn't sneak up on him? She's in the panel before yelling something. Are you kidding?He does have super hearing. he was getting ready to swing a punchand she wrapped him up before he could get it off.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228645_JLAv2__6p5-1/
She sneaked up on him.KA was busy fighting a bunch of other JLAers when she got him in a choke hold. The second time they fought, when KA fought them all out, they got beat up fairly easily.
That's not considered FTL. Apocalypse did the same to High Evolutionary and Ikaris.
I have to look back and will do so by tomorrow.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
She didn't sneak up on him? She's in the panel before yelling something. Are you kidding?He does have super hearing. he was getting ready to swing a punchand she wrapped him up before he could get it off.
She tied him up while he had his back turned on her. Atleast that's how I see it from one scan.
Originally posted by galactusischerePay close attention to the scan. She tied his arm mid swing BUT here is the kicker, Before we get to the next panel, he's tied all the way up. She there for blitzed him before he could react AFTER the first blitz of catching his arm. He was fully aware she was there when she caught his arm, and yet she manages to finish tying him up from Head to toe.
She tied him up while he had his back turned on her. Atleast that's how I see it from one scan.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
And I want consistent scans of Apoc teleporting in combat. One instance doesn't make a reliable forum tactic.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's an energy blast, telepathy doesn't go zzrak. Not telepathy.He didn't need to work anything, Ozymandias was thrown into the machinery. Not matter manipulation.
The Scarab Beast rises out of the sand. Not matter manipulation.
So in summary,
Regarding telepathy:
1. Essentially no telepathic feats.
2. Unable to access the Astral Plane.
3. Not listed as a power in OHOTMU. (Magneto's limited telepathy is listed in his abilities)
4. Marvel Editor saying they've never indicated Apocalypse is a telepath.Regarding matter manipulation: (lol)
1. No feats.
2. Not listed as a power in OHOTMU.
3. Lol.Regarding this fight.
1. Comparing Quicksilver to Wonder Woman/Cheetah/Flash. Lol.
Matter manip.
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again..
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Omega, here is the complete scan of Apoc regenerating.
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Apocalypse's BLOOD gives humans superpowers.
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Apoc has one-shotted Frenzy(class 50) AFTER she was amped 6x.
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Apocalypse one shots Cheetah.
