They completely heal him unless Sidious's first strike is lethal too, even healing a severed tendon in seconds. That's tough to face. He absorbed the power of 12 force pikes all at once too, so Sidious's might need to get in a completely unblocked shot before he can have the same effect that Bane's "bubble" did.
Just a tough fight to win, no question that Sidious is the more knowledgeable, powerful Sith, just wondering if he can take this lightsaber battle.
Bane displayed quite possibly the greatest feat of speed we've thus far seen in the mythos when he was still a student with the Brotherhood of Darkness (moving faster than the eyes of trained Force Users (Kas'im among their number) could see). He's skyrocketed in power several times over since. There's absolutely no reason to think that Sidious even comes close to him in this regard, let alone superior enough to for it to be a determining factor in a fight between the two of them.
except for, you know, the fact that sideous has already moved so fast that he managed to not just move, but kill, three of the most skilled and gifted jedi in the order's entire multi-thousand year old order, so quickly that mace "second most BAMF in the order's entire history" windu "didn't even know what happened" or something equivalent, until it was already over.
case in point, banes little speed feats got shit all on sideous' 😄
that aside, the idea that moving faster then there eyes could follow is irrelevent because force users dont fight using their eyes anyway. do you think they need to "see" blaster bolts to deflect them?
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel👆
except for, you know, the fact that sideous has already moved so fast that he managed to not just move, but kill, three of the most skilled and gifted jedi in the order's entire multi-thousand year old order, so quickly that mace "second most BAMF in the order's entire history" windu "didn't even know what happened" or something equivalent, until it was already over.case in point, banes little speed feats got shit all on sideous' 😄
that aside, the idea that moving faster then there eyes could follow is irrelevent because force users dont fight using their eyes anyway. do you think they need to "see" blaster bolts to deflect them?
...On top of that, if we are going to use "he was moving so fast that [insert random character] couldn't see them" arguments as any sort of 'baseline' for speed, then it's also worth noting that Anakin couldn't even perceive Sidious when he was battling Mace. In fact, Anakin initially referred to Sidious only as "a thickening black haze that appeared to be fading in and out of existence."
So yeah...
Originally posted by truejediMace had Vaapad, and Yoda was the most skilled swordsman of the era (possibly ever.)
However, to say that Sidious is just going to move so fast that he is ableto kill someone of Bane's ability without a fight is a little ridiculous. Mace and Yoda both were able to match Sidious's speed.
Regardless, I'm not saying that Sidious would be able to 'blitz' Bane without a fight. I am just saying that in a pure lightsaber battle, Sidious' speed would probably be the biggest deciding factor in his victory (or lack thereof.)
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
except for, you know, the fact that sideous has already moved so fast that he managed to not just move, but kill, three of the most skilled and gifted jedi in the order's entire multi-thousand year old order, so quickly that mace "second most BAMF in the order's entire history" windu "didn't even know what happened" or something equivalent, until it was already over.case in point, banes little speed feats got shit all on sideous' 😄
that aside, the idea that moving faster then there eyes could follow is irrelevent because force users dont fight using their eyes anyway. do you think they need to "see" blaster bolts to deflect them?
Well firstly, "three of the most skilled and gifted jedi in the order's entire multi-thousand year old order" is a claim that originates from the mind of a fallible character and not the omniscient narrator, meaning it cannot be said to factually be the case, and "second most BAMF in the order's entire history" appears to be wild speculation originating from the mind of a fan, and not the omniscient narrator, meaning it cannot be said to factually be the case.
Secondly, as the movie, the highest form of canon (which in this case conflicts with the secondary novel) illustrates, all four of the Jedi present are visibly seen to immediately react to Palaptine's movements; they all adjust their stance and positioning to his opening movement, and are seen to react with each kill. Multiple factors beyond speed, such as positioning, stance, precision, control, footwork, strength, swordsplay, balance, timing etc.. would also enter the equation, so to attribute Palpatine's success to his speed alone would be a fallacy of division.
Bane on the other hand is described as moving too fast for the eyes of all present to see, where solely his speed would enter the equation. Within the confines of that movement he also performs a complex maneuvre, where he lands multiple hits on his opponent, where each of which would have been lethal had he been wielding a lightsaber rather than the stun blades they were using.
All while Bane was the equivalent of a Jedi youngling in training and experience.
Lastly, while Jedi don't exactly rely on their vision in combat, it's still in place, and they still receive the benefits of Force enhanced reaction speed, meaning that Bane's ability to move faster than their eyes could see still displays a high capacity for speed. You'd only really have a point here if I was equating their inability to visually follow his movements with the inability to follow them at all.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆...On top of that, if we are going to use "he was moving so fast that [insert random character] couldn't see them" arguments as any sort of 'baseline' for speed, then it's also worth noting that Anakin couldn't even perceive Sidious when he was battling Mace. In fact, Anakin initially referred to Sidious only as "a thickening black haze that appeared to be fading in and out of existence."
So yeah...
Right.
Except as the movie (the highest form of canon) illustrates, Anakin didn't actually arrive at the Chancellor's office until Mace and Sidious's duel had ended, meaning the scene in the novelisation (secondary form of canon) where Anakin arrives in time to witness moments of their duel is rendered non canon.
Originally posted by OTNEMEM
Secondly, as the movie, the highest form of canon (which in this case conflicts with the secondary novel) illustrates, all four of the Jedi present are visibly seen to immediately react to Palaptine's movements; they all adjust their stance and positioning to his opening movement, and are seen to react with each kill. Multiple factors beyond speed, such as positioning, stance, precision, control, footwork, strength, swordsplay, balance, timing etc.. would also enter the equation, so to attribute Palpatine's success to his speed alone would be a fallacy of division.
Your point being?
Bane on the other hand is described as moving too fast for the eyes of all present to see, where solely his speed would enter the equation. Within the confines of that movement he also performs a complex maneuvre, where he lands multiple hits on his opponent, where each of which would have been lethal had he been wielding a lightsaber rather than the stun blades they were using.
As was Windu (Shatterpoint), and by extension Palpatine.
Lastly, while Jedi don't exactly rely on their vision in combat, it's still in place, and they still receive the benefits of Force enhanced reaction speed, meaning that Bane's ability to move faster than their eyes could see still displays a high capacity for speed. You'd only really have a point here if I was equating their inability to visually follow his movements with the inability to follow them at all. [/B]
Which is irrelevant because even with his enormous command of the force, he is not the most powerful sith lord in history.
Also:
Originally posted by Cryo
"Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."-The New Essential Chronology, page 84
Originally posted by Gideon
It should be noted, however, that the statement is from an in-universe source. The New Essential Chronology is actually written by Voren Na’al and the Galactic Alliance Historical Council, not a source from the out-of-universe omniscient narrator. What does this mean? That, simply put, this source alone cannot be used as conclusive evidence that Palpatine is more powerful than any other Sith Lord in history.