okay: The definition of "furious" is:
1. Full of or characterized by extreme anger; raging.
2. Suggestive of extreme anger in action or appearance; fierce. See Synonyms at angry.
3. Full of activity; energetic or rapid:
soooo... looking at this: Your argument about Sidious's speed is based on him being, "angry, and ... rapid?"
Don't be trite, I gave you the attempt to define furious in this instance, and you passed on it. You are just simply very bad at this.
Yet earlier when "desperate" was defined, right out of the dictionary, you completely disregarded the definition and instead of attemtping to credit Mara, you attempted to discredit canon because it wasn't convenient for you.
Also, I don't know which dictionary you consulted.
–adjective
1. full of fury, violent passion, or rage; extremely angry; enraged
2. intensely violent, as wind or storms.
3. of unrestrained energy, speed, etc.
Number 3 fits in this context much better than both 1 and 2. And once again, you're (hopefully) not taking Bane's side, but you're perfectly content to argue and nitpick every point I make.
Originally posted by truejediIsn't he saying that since Bane absorbed the planetary level lightning that he would be able to absorb Sidious' lightning?
Sidious, you just restated what he just posted. The power was coming from the other Sith, Bane himself was doing the containing.
I'm saying that when he was draining them it could have inhanced his ability, such as absorbing and directing.
Originally posted by Shoes
Yet earlier when "desperate" was defined, right out of the dictionary, you completely disregarded the definition and instead of attemtping to credit Mara, you attempted to discredit canon because it wasn't convenient for you.
Also, I don't know which dictionary you consulted.
–adjective
1. full of fury, violent passion, or rage; extremely angry; enraged
2. intensely violent, as wind or storms.
3. of unrestrained energy, speed, etc.Number 3 fits in this context much better than both 1 and 2. And once again, you're (hopefully) not taking Bane's side, but you're perfectly content to argue and nitpick every point I make.
So your argument is NOW that Sidiuos was using "unrestrained, energy and speed, etc.?"
You do realize that saying he was unrestrained is simply saying he wasn't holding back, right? It does NOTHING to say HOW fast he was.
I'm giving you exactly ONE more post to make a pertinent claim towards that end, and if you fail to do so, we are done. You aren't worth the time because you don't understand substantiation.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Isn't he saying that since Bane absorbed the planetary level lightning that he would be able to absorb Sidious' lightning?I'm saying that when he was draining them it could have inhanced his ability, such as absorbing and directing.
Yes, and Bane did absorb that much power, but wouldn't have been able to generate that much power. So i think you had his argument, your rebuttal made me think you were contending with his assertion though.
However, thanks to the Orbalisks, it is doubtful that Bane would now be able to absorb that same amount of electricity from an outside source.
Well, see, that's like, you know, your opinion, which contradicts ROTS when the novel states that he accepted [Palpatine's] furious speed.
Which itself, by Neb's argument, contradicts what we see on-screen in ROTS, which is them moving at perfectly normal speeds. And since movies>books in canon....
Moreover, I demand proof of Bane's mastery over any lightsaber forms.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Which itself, by Neb's argument, contradicts what we see on-screen in ROTS, which is them moving at perfectly normal speeds. And since movies>books in canon....
The filmmakers would need to keep things slower than what is said in the novelization so that the audience can actually see the fight, and the actors are human.
Its not exactly hard to show that someone's fighting in superspeed without making them actually move that fast. If Smallville can do it, George Moneybags Lucas sure as shit can.
Plus there are things that show that they aren't moving that fast, like sparks being just as fast as they normally are, clothes shifting and ruffling the same, when Palps kills the B team they callapse at normal speed, blaster bolts move just as fast when Jedi are deflecting them as when they aren't etc etc. Theres only one instance of legitimate Force speed shown in all the movies and its shown that they're moving that fast.
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Its not exactly hard to show that someone's fighting in superspeed without making them actually move that fast. If Smallville can do it, George Moneybags Lucas sure as shit can.
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1.) Leland Chee has confirmed unambiguously in the Holocron continuity thread on the Star Wars website that feats and powers depicted in the EU do not contradict the movies in terms of their exaggeration and over-the-top effects. I'll provide the link ASAP.
2.) Lucas has flat-out said that the PT was meant to depict the prime of the Jedi; do you honestly expect us to believe that they would be less capable than the Jedi of old? There are going to be discrepencies in whatever medium in which the story is told. Comic books, video games, and novelizations allow for greater use of over-the-top, dramatic displays of power than a movie, which eats up a shitton of budget. In the Force Unleashed, we see General Kota and Kazdan Paratus perform spectacular feats (casually deflecting Force lightning & telekinesis and using the Force to animate legions of Sith-hunting junk-droids) that are beyond the likes of Palpatine and Yoda, if you go strictly by the movies. What do you think Lucas would say to you if you suggested that Kota or Paratus were more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine? He'd probably bitchslap you.
3.) The Revenge of the Sith novelization's final draft was reviewed personally by Lucas per Matthew Stover; he mentioned that he got an email with all of Lucas's edits and alterations made. In his own words, "whatever's in the book was there because [Lucas] wanted it there. Period." Again, I'll provide the link ASAP. (The novelization also goes to great lengths to explain certain issues or errors or questions within the film; I remember one, in particular. During the opening sequence of the film, we see that Republic and Confederacy fleets are pretty much on top of each other -- Stover explains that this is not the case through his mentioning of Invisible Hand's sophisticated computer systems that allow observers to witness the battle as though these ships were mere meters from each other, when the reality is that they are kilometers apart.
First off I'd like to point out that I never actually said that I agreed with Neb's argument, though I do feel it has some merit.
1.) Leland Chee has confirmed unambiguously in the Holocron continuity thread on the Star Wars website that feats and powers depicted in the EU do not contradict the movies in terms of their exaggeration and over-the-top effects. I'll provide the link ASAP.
Maybe I should be asking Neb this becuase apparantly he knows the guy, but is Chee a person allowed to set canon? I seem to recall that this was a point of some contention awhile ago. Secondly, Chee actually says that, 'What we see in the films is the canon version of events. All other versions are developed specifically for their respective medium' (although he then says that contradictions should be handled case by case). And since movies>all other mediums in terms of canon.....
2.) Lucas has flat-out said that the PT was meant to depict the prime of the Jedi; do you honestly expect us to believe that they would be less capable than the Jedi of old? There are going to be discrepencies in whatever medium in which the story is told. Comic books, video games, and novelizations allow for greater use of over-the-top, dramatic displays of power than a movie, which eats up a shitton of budget. In the Force Unleashed, we see General Kota and Kazdan Paratus perform spectacular feats (casually deflecting Force lightning & telekinesis and using the Force to animate legions of Sith-hunting junk-droids) that are beyond the likes of Palpatine and Yoda, if you go strictly by the movies. What do you think Lucas would say to you if you suggested that Kota or Paratus were more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine? He'd probably bitchslap you.
'Prime of the Jedi' is a rather ambigous phrase. Is it referring to combat and/or Force power, becuase that seems to contradict the whole 'our ability to use the Force has diminished motha****a!' In fact, iirc correctly, Lucas was just using it to counterbalance the PT and OT as in, 'what we'll be seeing is the time when the Jedi were in their prime, as opposed to when thy were practically wiped out in ANH.' And no, I know that Palps and Yoda are better becuase they have things other than feats backing them up. Though I doubt that Lucas would even know who those other characters are if I ever bring it up to him. Or that he'd care that much.
3.) The Revenge of the Sith novelization's final draft was reviewed personally by Lucas per Matthew Stover; he mentioned that he got an email with all of Lucas's edits and alterations made. In his own words, "whatever's in the book was there because [Lucas] wanted it there. Period." Again, I'll provide the link ASAP. (The novelization also goes to great lengths to explain certain issues or errors or questions within the film; I remember one, in particular. During the opening sequence of the film, we see that Republic and Confederacy fleets are pretty much on top of each other -- Stover explains that this is not the case through his mentioning of Invisible Hand's sophisticated computer systems that allow observers to witness the battle as though these ships were mere meters from each other, when the reality is that they are kilometers apart.
If I were being really nitpicky and mean I'd point out that yeah, what in the novel is there becuase Lucas wanted it to be. Whats in the movie is also there becuase Lucas wanted it to be. And since Movie>Book, whats shown on-screen trumps whats in the novel.
Originally posted by truejedi
This, never happened. You made a weak point and then started repeating it loudly. What you need, is a strategy. Or at least a bit of logic.
No, what happened was I gave an accurate definition of the word you made such a huge fuss about, and when I did, you chose to ignore the definition and simply regurgitated the same "no" over and over again.
So your argument is NOW that Sidiuos was using "unrestrained, energy and speed, etc.?"
Yes. Sidious was completely free of any physical constraint, and thus he was able to fight as fast as he could. The fact that Mace could only match his speed, after countless quotes from Shatterpoint, referring to him as "invisible", definitely implies that Sidious is faster than Bane.
Moreover, you've once again, neglected to support your argument. Which was what by the way? The definition of furious isn't what it is defined as? Shatterpoint is not canon? Palpatine did not slaughter 3 Jedi Council members, two of which referred to by Yoda as the best swordsmen in the order (Shadow Hunter), in less than a second?