Btw, on "Who's stronger, Martian Manhunter or Wonder Woman?"
Here. Batman says if she's out of control Superman is the only person on the planet who can be counted on to restrain her, and says this with J'onn J'onzz in the *room*.
Neither Superman nor Batman rate MM quite as highly in combat as they do WW.
She's equal or stronger than MM.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Around their level but not on it.
Yeah she is. Without her paraphernalia, she is a peer. With them, she is on their level.
Originally posted by Q99No, I think you are wrong here. These others are peers of Superman's while she isn't.
We've discussed this before, and I've never figured out how you can buy your own arguments.She repeatedly has shown herself on the same level throughout the years.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I think you are wrong here. These others are peers of Superman's while she isn't.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
She is his peer as much as they are, it's official, been stated many times, Superman rates her as #2 on the planet, Batman rates her above J'onn, she's stalemated SM in combat on several occasions (as well as stalemating CM the only time they fought), plus has actual wins against Superman.
Repeating 'she's not a peer' doesn't change she's been demonstrated to be so as much as CM has and more than J'onn.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What?He's the most one dimensional person here, actually. And in any case, the "weak links" of either team are nothing to sneer at. It just sucks for Black Bolt because the defenses of Team 1 are pretty top tier between Stormbreaker and the Aegis bracers.
Say that again, and i swear to god.... I will burn my Simonson issues and post pictures.
Originally posted by Q99She might be more skilled than Jonn is but power wise and strength wise he's above her just like Marvel, etc. She can't trade blows with any of these guys. The sooner you accept how she's written the better.
Saying it doesn't make it so.She is his peer as much as they are, it's official, been stated many times, Superman rates her as #2 on the planet, Batman rates her above J'onn, she's stalemated SM in combat on several occasions (as well as stalemating CM the only time they fought), plus has actual wins against Superman.
Repeating 'she's not a peer' doesn't change she's been demonstrated to be so as much as CM has and more than J'onn.
Re: Beta Ray Bill/ Wonderwoman vs Blackbolt/Black Adam
Originally posted by SumOfAllFear
which team wins?no bfr
few points
WW is not physically stronger than Martian Manhunter.
WW is a legitimate top tier, class 100
WW would not beat Superman, Black Adam, or MM for a majority in the arena. She is on their level, because she can hang with/stalemate just about any of them. She is strong enough to physically hurt them, and durable enough to take some of their hardest shots. All that said, she is still not beating any of them for a majority, and that's what makes her a smidgen beneath those guys. They outclass her enough that she would never win more than 6/10 fights, so that's where a lot of people get the idea that she's not in their class. That's not true, she is in their class, but she's still a significant level beneath them.
As to the fight, Black Bolt and Black Adam take this fight.
Wonderwoman is the weak link in this fight. I heard someone earlier say that Black bolt was the weak link, and I almost crapped my pants...
Do you know anything about black bolt? He's physically gone blow for blow with Hulk and Gladiator, two beings that would soundly beat Diana. If he didn't lose to the two of them, he's not losing to Wonderwoman...
Even if he doesn't use his voice, he's got the strength and skill to beat Diana in H2H, he's being heavily underrated it seems. WW has the speed and slight skill advantage, but it's not enough to counter BB, especially if he decides to let out a small whisper...(and she is not blocking his scream with her bracers...not sure why anyone would even think she'd be able to)
BRB vs BA could go either way, though I tend to lean towards BA. Magical resistance makes his durability even better, and I believe he's physically stronger than BRB. BA is on par with Superman, who is physically superior to Thor or BRB. BRB has abstract abilities that he can use to put BA down, but it's not going to be an easy fight. Like I said this one can go either way, but after BB disposes of WW, if BRB decides to bring out the big guns (god moves), then BB will most likely break out his scream, and I'll take BB's scream over BRB's versatility any day.
tough fight, BB and BA ftw tho
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Diana is a top tier mostly cause of her skill coupled with her speed. she has skill in spades. plus she's got some really neat toys.
Yup this about sums it up. She's by no means weak, she's like a semi planet mover, someone you want on the team if that needs to be done. So that is nothing to scoff at. She's got the lasso and tiara, skill for days (though there are people more skilled than her), and above average combat speed. All of these combined is what allows her to go up against guys like Supes and Cap M and not get totally beaten
