Beta Ray Bill/ Wonderwoman vs Blackbolt/Black Adam

Started by Martian_mind7 pages
Originally posted by lightyeargee
What I"m trying to figure out is how PG was owning anyone when Wondy clearly is trying to reason with Kara. Please explain how you got pwing out of that? Wondy was never KO'd, Never hurt with any lasting injury, Wondy was never even slowed down. So what pwning are you refering to? Help me out and tell me which part. I missed it.

Smashing someone into pavement is trying to reason with them? She tried fighting and was repelled. She tried reason and got shot down. She tried magic, since force was beyond her, and got owned.

Powergirls hits visibly drew blood. While WW may have been alright at the time, had the fight continued in the style it was going WW would have been put down. Don' forget, even as she dropped a bus on WW's head, Powergirl was holding back "I don't want to do this".

Originally posted by Martian_mind

The only hits Wonder Woman made in the fight is one punch and the return hit from Canada. After that she gets beaten on and has her lasso dodged point-blank and retaliated before she can block.

She also hits PG at the end of the previous issue. So, three hits total, less than Karen but still a significant amount.

Also, she stops to talk, letting PG get another free hit, and also pauses to rescue a bus full of people. WW's distracted by other stuff, PG thinks she's a villain throughout (Briefly starting to shake it off due to the rescue before the kids again refocus her emotions).


That is not a back and forth fight. That is being dominated. She only gained an advanage when it became a contest of skill. If she was PG's equal in strength, and equipped with mystical items, she would not have been dominated that hard.

She only gained an advantage when she began fighting back, which she was only doing intermittently in the fight, but she did get several good hits anyway.

Nor was she, y'know, hurt, and what hits she delivered were noted as being powerful, so she wasn't being physically outmatched in stats at the least, she was just being the less aggressive of the two.


I'm not saying that PG is miles beyond WW, but that fight showed she is her superior as far as strength and speed go.

I'm saying that's a major stretch when she was being diplomatic, PG was fighting as if she was a real foe, she gave PG several free shots, she hit PG back with attacks Karen noted were powerful, and at no point did they go muscle-to-muscle or speed to speed.

You simply can't get that conclusion on their respective power from what we saw.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Smashing someone into pavement is trying to reason with them? She tried fighting and was repelled. She tried reason and got shot down. She tried magic, since force was beyond her, and got owned.

Powergirls hits visibly drew blood. While WW may have been alright at the time, had the fight continued in the style it was going WW would have been put down. Don' forget, even as she dropped a bus on WW's head, Powergirl was holding back "I don't want to do this".


Right and dont' forget Wonder Woman was busy saving lives as the fight went on. Hmm. Seems you and I didn't read the same comic. I have to get the one you are reading because Wondy wasn't even fighting When Kara drew blood. Wondy was clearly faster than Kara. Wondy Blocked Kara's punches up close when she was ready. Twice. She even side stepped Kara at Superspeed. And then Owned Her. She drew blood from Kara witha heft Knee to Kara's chin. You don't beat a Kryptonian with skill. You do that only if you are evenly matched in strength and durablility. You are mixing up your own argument. If Kara was stronger and Faster than Skill would have only equalized the two. but Wondy when Using Skill easily Dominated Kara. That mean's they were at least equal before Wondy used any skill.

This is an easy way to explain it.

If PG>> Wondy in Speed and Strength

Then PG= Wondy with Speed Strength and Skill. That isn't what Happned

Wondy>>>>PG When Speed strength and Skill were applied.

That means Wondy=PG in strength and Durability

Originally posted by Q99
She also hits PG at the end of the previous issue. So, three hits total, less than Karen but still a significant amount.

Also, she *stops to talk*, letting PG get another free hit, and also pauses to rescue a bus full of people.

She only gained an advantage when she began fighting back, which she was only doing intermittently in the fight.

Nor was she, y'know, hurt, and what hits she did deliver were noted as being powerful, so she wasn't being physically outmatched at the least.

I'm saying that's a major stretch when she was being diplomatic, PG was fighting as if she was a real foe, she gave PG several free shots, she hit PG back with attacks Karen noted were powerful, and at no point did they go muscle-to-muscle or speed to speed.

You simply can't get that conclusion on their respective powers from what we saw.

I counted that hit at the end of the issue. She only made two.

A free hit that she had time to respond to with a lasso, that was dodged with ease.

Also, read her damn narration at the end of the preceding issue she wasn't thinking of calming Karen down at that point. The next we see them fighting, with WW not even once trying to calm Karen down, just getting the snot kicked out of her.

I think it's very reasonable to think that issue shows PG as Wondies slight physical superior.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
This is an easy way to explain it.

If PG>> Wondy in Speed and Strength

Then PG= Wondy with Speed Strength and Skill. That isn't what Happned

Wondy>>>>PG When Speed strength and Skill were applied.

That means Wondy=PG in strength and Durability

Yes, because speed, strength and skill are all of equal value and measure, and fighting is an equation.

Moron.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yes, because speed, strength and skill are all of equal value and measure, and fighting is an equation.

Moron.


I'm glad you decided to insult me.Shows my character to be superior sinceI have no negative response for you. The point still remains. if Kara were superior to WW in those areas you suggest, Then Diana's Skill would only have been an equalizer. That is not the case. Her skill put her over the top so much so that she embarrassed PG. She simply side stepped Kara at Super Speed and won the fight. This cannot be disputed.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
I'm glad you decided to insult me.Shows my character to be superior sinceI have no negative response for you. The point still remains. if Kara were superior to WW in those areas you suggest, Then Diana's Skill would only have been an equalizer. That is not the case. Her skill put her over the top so much so that she embarrassed PG. She simply side stepped Kara at Super Speed and won the fight. This cannot be disputed.

As the last dregs of your credibility ooze away, I look at the time and decide that you are not worth debating past midnight with.

Batman defeats vastly stronger opponents through skill. Wonder Woman beat a slightly stronger opponent through skill, bragging about how it was skill.

Calling you a moron at this point is not an insult, merely a statement of fact.

See you in the morning!!!

Originally posted by lightyeargee
This is an easy way to explain it.

If PG>> Wondy in Speed and Strength

Then PG= Wondy with Speed Strength and Skill. That isn't what Happned

Wondy>>>>PG When Speed strength and Skill were applied.

That means Wondy=PG in strength and Durability

Actually it means logic >> you 😂

Originally posted by Martian_mind
As the last dregs of your credibility ooze away, I look at the time and decide that you are not worth debating past midnight with.

Batman defeats vastly stronger opponents through skill. Wonder Woman beat a slightly stronger opponent through skill, bragging about how it was skill.

Calling you a moron at this point is not an insult, merely a statement of fact.

See you in the morning!!!

Except Wonder Woman says compares PG to her. And Slightly stronger and Faster wouldn't get PG anywhere near the upper hand you are suggesting she had. See you later.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
nvr

Hey now, Nvr was much brighter then that.

If NVR has a sock at the moment it's my worthy opponent Q99.

Based on their recent fight, Power Girl has the edge in raw strength, and speed etc. Nice showing for Power Girl.

The fact that Diana even says that Power Girl is at the very least as strong and as fast as her, also helps support that stance. I don't see how anyone can logically argue that it doesn't.

Based on that fight, I'd roughly rank the male/female top dogs in DC in terms of strength as:

Superman > Captain Marvel =/> Power Girl > Martian Manhunter = Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Power Girl > Martian Manhunter = Wonder Woman

Oh it's on *****.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Hey now, Nvr was much brighter then that.

If NVR has a sock at the moment it's my worthy opponent Q99.

lol, just quoting what I see.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on their recent fight, Power Girl has the edge in raw strength, and speed etc. Nice showing for Power Girl.

The fact that Diana even says that Power Girl is at the very least as strong and as fast as her, also helps support that stance. I don't see how anyone can logically argue that it doesn't.

Because the woman who actually put the words on the page told us that is not what she meant. Also, at no point in that fight did Diana peer to be out matched in terms of stats.

Based on that fight, I'd roughly rank the male/female top dogs in DC in terms of strength as:

Superman > Captain Marvel =/> Power Girl > Martian Manhunter = Wonder Woman [/B]

Team 1.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on their recent fight, Power Girl has the edge in raw strength, and speed etc. Nice showing for Power Girl.

The fact that Diana even says that Power Girl is at the very least as strong and as fast as her, also helps support that stance. I don't see how anyone can logically argue that it doesn't.

Based on that fight, I'd roughly rank the male/female top dogs in DC in terms of strength as:

Superman > Captain Marvel =/> Power Girl > Martian Manhunter = Wonder Woman


This isn't quite right.

Superman is Stronger than All. True. The only reason Cap Marvel Can hang with Supers ,his because is Durability is >>>>>>> Everyone else. And he has an insane Healing factor to boot.

Martian Manhunter is in fact the only one of them all that can Match Superman Blow for Blow and strength for strength. It's just that he can only sustain it for so long. He amps his physical stats thru molecular manipulation of his body. Pretty much how he works all of his physical powers. That's why he doesn't stay human for for ever or phased for ever. It takes a toll after a while. When he reverts to his regular strength, he's somewhere below the others but not much.

Wonder Woman and Powergirl and Captain Marvel are probably all in the sam area when it comes to Strenght.

WW is Faster than the other two.
CM is more durable than the other two.
And PG is a good mix of Fast and Durable

BB/BA wins.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
This isn't quite right.

Superman is Stronger than All. True. The only reason Cap Marvel Can hang with Supers ,his because is Durability is >>>>>>> Everyone else. And he has an insane Healing factor to boot.

Martian Manhunter is in fact the only one of them all that can Match Superman Blow for Blow and strength for strength. It's just that he can only sustain it for so long. He amps his physical stats thru molecular manipulation of his body. Pretty much how he works all of his physical powers. That's why he doesn't stay human for for ever or phased for ever. It takes a toll after a while. When he reverts to his regular strength, he's somewhere below the others but not much.

Wonder Woman and Powergirl and Captain Marvel are probably all in the sam area when it comes to Strenght.

WW is Faster than the other two.
CM is more durable than the other two.
And PG is a good mix of Fast and Durable

Whaaa?

Captain Marvel routinely stalemates Superman when they fight. DC has considered them to be equals in terms of strength in the general sense since they bought the rights to him. Superman has the greater versatility and can amp, but Captain Marvel has magic and durability plus a crazy healing factor. Strength wise, nothing has been shown that under normal levels Superman is Cap's superior based on their mutual showings against one another. And blow for blow, Captain Marvel does better than J'onn has and that's without magically amping his fists.