Beta Ray Bill/ Wonderwoman vs Blackbolt/Black Adam

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Obviously it's not a clear cut statement because there are different ways to interpret it. She was sizing up her opponent and determining how their various stats compared with each other. If PG were stronger, WW would have said that.

There was not a wild claim in my post. It's actually quite reasonable. You're just not able to comprehend it.

Also, your statement isn't backed up on panel because there is not a single indication that PG is stronger than WW. Not one.

Your last sentence is the only one thus far that is accurate. She is as strong as WW. You can derive no more from that statement. Nothing on panel indicates otherwise and the writer also told you as much.

And your grammar is still atrocious.

No, your trying to create different ways to interpret it to suit you. Taking what she says on panel, my assumption is the most likely one. That she isolates two characteristics in her narration makes it highly unlikely she was factoring in other aspects.

By your own logic your claims are ridiculous, as there isn't anything on-panel supporting your stance. That statement was only in reference to speed and strength. If it was factoring in other areas we wouldn't have gotten a page directly after of Wonder Woman sizing up Powergirls fighting style. Prior to the ground fighting it was pure slugfest, in which Diana could not get an advantage over Powergirl despite her enchanted items and would only have gotten a read on her speed and strength.

It's a comic book debate over the net. I'm not exactly bothered with grammar.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
No, your trying to create different ways to interpret it to suit you. Taking what she says on panel, my assumption is the most likely one. That she isolates two characteristics in her narration makes it highly unlikely she was factoring in other aspects.

By your own logic your claims are ridiculous, as there isn't anything on-panel supporting your stance. That statement was only in reference to speed and strength. If it was factoring in other areas we wouldn't have gotten a page directly after of Wonder Woman sizing up Powergirls fighting style. Prior to the ground fighting it was pure slugfest, in which Diana could not get an advantage over Powergirl despite her enchanted items and would only have gotten a read on her speed and strength.

It's a comic book debate over the net. I'm not exactly bothered with grammar.

(1) Your assumption is not the most likely one as we already have evidence that it is not correct. The writer told you.

(2) Wrong again. The entire last sequence of the battle was all about how, although PG is strong and fast, she is NOT an Amazon. She does not have Diana's skill or training. Taken in that context, what I claim makes sense. In the heat of battle, Diana was sizing up her opponent. "She's at least as strong and as fast." WW is the greatest warrior in the DCU. She knows how to assess her opponents. She was merely stating what is obvious: PG is a physical match for Diana. That is where the "at least" comes in to play.

(3) Perhaps you missed the part where Diana wasn't really trying to fight Karen. It was not a slugfest. Diana was trying to reason with her. The moment she got serious, PG didn't land another hit.

(4) I beg to differ. Your last post was infinitely better than your previous attempts 😉

We can spin this all day long but there is absolutely nothing that you can point to in that fight that suggests PG is stronger or faster than WW. We have the author telling you as much and we have the ease with which Diana handled her at the end as evidence that.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
So specifically pointing out speed and strength means she's factoring in other attributes? That makes sense. I also fail to see how understanding Wonder Womans clear cut statement can be seen as butchering the English language.

It's strange you'd bring up my interpretation then make a completely wild claim that isn't even backed up on panel, unlike mine, which is clear as day and easily understandable.

"She's atleast as strong and fast as I am" easy sentence to understand, as is it's intent. Powergirl is, at the least, as strong as Wonder Woman.

Team one takes the majority, and yes Diana is Johns superior. Its been proven many times. 🙂

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Problem with the way you are trying to interpret it is that when Wonder Woman uses no Skill, Just strength and Speed She matches PG. She was so fast coming all the way from Canada, that Not even PG with her enhanced Senses could get out of the way or block. On the other hand, Wondy, could block PG, and even move out of the way as they fought at Superspeeds. So saying PG is at least as strong and fast could mean many things but, shown on panel, She was no where near as fast. And she got schooled in hand to hand.

All Wonder Woman accomlished was that one hit. PG punched her to Canada and dodged a point-blank lasso swing, proceeding to knee Wonder Woman before she could react.

Wonder Woman was being dominated until it went pure H2H, where Wonder Woman only pulled out the win due to skill.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
All Wonder Woman accomlished was that one hit. PG punched her to Canada and dodged a point-blank lasso swing, proceeding to knee Wonder Woman before she could react.

Wonder Woman was being dominated until it went pure H2H, where Wonder Woman only pulled out the win due to skill.

Honestly it seemed like a back and fourth to me before the end part.

BB/BA wins.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Um, LOL. WW wasn't even trying to fight. She was seriously trying to do her peace thing. The minute she got serious, she dominated PG, and no amount of skill can make anyone get a win on a powerful Krytonian. It was power and skill. WW treated PG easily once she ot ticked.

Except for the whole " I won't let her use me as a punching bag" thing. Not to mention she only got the advantage over PG when she was being severely mindscrewed. Until then she could barely get a hit in.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Except for the whole " I won't let her use me as a punching bag" thing. Not to mention she only got the advantage over PG when she was being severely mindscrewed. Until then she could barely get a hit in.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Except When WW and WG were fighting ZBP, they tossed him like a rag dollwhere as PG nvr did that and she was with SG and Superman. SG recently matched PG and WW has out classed SG in strength. When SG really didn't know how to hold back. Also PG was being mind ****ed the whole fight. Which is why WW was holding back. You think the fight would have lasted more than mere seconds if WW was blood lusted? PG would have been as good as dead. Look how WW kneeded PG's face. Brutal

ZBP?

SG didn't match Powergirl. Supergirl + the JLA matched Powergirl. Look how PG headbutted WW through the aegis and obviously hurt her. Look how PG punched WW to Canada. Look how PG easily dodged WW's lasso and put her on her ass.Brutal.

Pg was barely affected by the mindscrew in the beginning stages of the fight. It was only on the ground, when the mindscrew took full effect, that WW even began to come near winning that fight.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
ZBP?

SG didn't match Powergirl. Supergirl + the JLA matched Powergirl. Look how PG headbutted WW through the aegis and obviously hurt her. Look how PG punched WW to Canada. Look how PG easily dodged WW's lasso and put her on her ass.Brutal.

Pg was barely affected by the mindscrew in the beginning stages of the fight. It was only on the ground, when the mindscrew took full effect, that WW even began to come near winning that fight.

Note how the being punched to Canada caused Wonder Woman to go "Huh" and brush it off, then hit back just as hard, and note how WW also knocked her on her butt.

They both seemed to go back and forth in the early portions of the fight and while WW wasn't winning, she wasn't losing either.

Originally posted by Q99
Note how the being punched to Canada caused Wonder Woman to go "Huh" and brush it off, then hit back just as hard, and note how WW also knocked her on her butt.

They both seemed to go back and forth in the early portions of the fight and while WW wasn't winning, she wasn't losing either.

She was losing. PG clearly had the advantage. Also, considering WW had such a huge run up and clearly was peeved her punch didn't seem as hard as PG's. Also the lack of effect may have been becasue it looks like the hit that sent her to Canada was one that landed on her bracers or while they were crossed. In contrast, PG took that hit full on and was barely phased.

Also, the scan you posted shows PG wasn't even serious with the Canada punch.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
She was losing. PG clearly had the advantage. Also, considering WW had such a huge run up and clearly was peeved her punch didn't seem as hard as PG's. Also the lack of effect may have been becasue it looks like the hit that sent her to Canada was one that landed on her bracers or while they were crossed. In contrast, PG took that hit full on and was barely phased.

Also, the scan you posted shows PG wasn't even serious with the Canada punch.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
She was losing. PG clearly had the advantage.

Not so clear if there's disagreement on it. She wasn't hurt and she was getting in strong blows that we know PG really felt too, at least as much as she felt the ones PG did.

Also, considering WW had such a huge run up and clearly was peeved her punch didn't seem as hard as PG's. Also the lack of effect may have been becasue it looks like the hit that sent her to Canada was one that landed on her bracers or while they were crossed.

No, the Canada one was un-blocked. When she blocks something with her crossed bracers there's no knock-back (as seen in the page where PG does a full body charge similar to the Canada one which is blocked by them, and then does the head butt).

Also, the scan you posted shows PG wasn't even serious with the Canada punch.

Which didn't cause Diana any real pain, and we know WW was just sending warnings too.

*Neither of them were hurt* during this section. No one was losing, they were knocking each other back and fourth but they were both in good shape and got, at best, maybe bruising and that sort of thing, superficial wounds. Nor was there a positional advantage, PG was getting hit back several times too.

I think it's very hard to call someone 'losing' when they're giving their fair share of good hits and not hurt or in a real disadvantageous position, especially when she was jumped at the beginning of the fight.

Yea, she's not working over PG until the end, but it's clearly written much more as an "exchange of hits back and forth" and she never thinks she's disadvantage nor does PG ever think she's winning. If neither combatant thinks PG is winning, and neither combatant is more hurt than the other, and neither combatant is in a different position from the other, how's that anything but a more or less even fight?

Originally posted by Q99
Not so clear if there's disagreement on it. She wasn't hurt and she was getting in strong blows that we know PG really felt too, as much as she felt the ones PG did.

No, the Canada one was un-blocked. When she blocks something with her crossed bracers there's no knock-back (as seen in the page where PG does a full body charge similar to the Canada one which is blocked by them, and then does the head butt).

Which didn't cause Diana any real pain, and we know WW was just sending warnings too.

*Neither of them were hurt* during this section. No one was losing, they were knocking each other back and fourth but they were both in good shape and got, at best, maybe bruising and that sort of thing, superficial wounds.

I think it's very hard to call someone 'losing' when they're giving their fair share of good hits and not hurt or in a real disadvantageous position, especially when she was jumped at the beginning of the fight.

Yea, she's not working over PG until the end, but it's clearly written much more as an "exchange of hits back and forth" and she never thinks she's disadvantage nor does PG ever think she's winning. If neither combatant thinks PG is winning, and neither combatant is more hurt than the other, and neither combatant is in a different position from the other, how's that anything but a more or less even fight?

Fair enough on the hit.

The only hits Wonder Woman made in the fight is one punch and the return hit from Canada. After that she gets beaten on and has her lasso dodged point-blank and retaliated before she can block.

That is not a back and forth fight. That is being dominated. She only gained an advanage when it became a contest of skill. If she was PG's equal in strength, and equipped with mystical items, she would not have been dominated that hard.

I'm not saying that PG is miles beyond WW, but that fight showed she is her superior as far as strength and speed go.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Fair enough on the hit.

The only hits Wonder Woman made in the fight is one punch and the return hit from Canada. After that she gets beaten on and has her lasso dodged point-blank and retaliated before she can block.

That is not a back and forth fight. That is being dominated. She only gained an advanage when it became a contest of skill. If she was PG's equal in strength, and equipped with mystical items, she would not have been dominated that hard.

I'm not saying that PG is miles beyond WW, but that fight showed she is her superior as far as strength and speed go.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Hell no. If that were the case, she would have said, PG is stronger and faster than me. If PG were faster, then she would have been able to doge wondy's return blitz, and PG wouldn't have been dominated so when wondy fought back; PG couldn't even land a hit. How do you miss someone so completely if you are faster than them?

How does anyone hit Flash? Hitting someone doesn't prove you're as fast as them.

Also "Atleast as strong and fast" leaves the possibilty for being stronger. Considering the ownage Pg was handing out, it's very likely.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
How does anyone hit Flash? Hitting someone doesn't prove you're as fast as them.

Also "Atleast as strong and fast" leaves the possibilty for being stronger. Considering the ownage Pg was handing out, it's very likely.