Mortal Kombat 9

Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
I still hold that power scaling isn't a very big priority in the series amongst the characters that aren't clearly in leagues of their own, and that's usually just based on plot devices. The fact that both beat eachother at certain points in the series shoulld say well enough that neither is more glaringly powerful unless otherwise noted. In other words, I'd think Armageddon was by and large fair game all-around.

Except for that whole Sindel stuff in story mode. That was just pure bullshit excuse of plot device and a total cop-out imo. I understand it might be in an attempt to open way for some newcomers in the next potential game, but the last major newcomer I could think of was Shujinko, who was just a poor-man's marty-stu geezer Liu Kang replacement.

I see where you're coming from too about the Sindel thing, and normally I'd think something like that to be a copout as well, but I thought that kind of plot device was a rare case of being kinda well executed in MK9. People may say they hate Sindel because she killed their favorite characters and blah blah blah, but if Scorpion or someone that's more of a fan favorite had single-handedly taken out a majority of the MK cast like she did, you know they would've just further praised them instead of hated. 313

The last newcomer was mainly Taven from Armageddon, but as for Shujinko, I disagree. To me, his personality is exactly what a protagonist of Mortal Kombat should be. Kind, loyal, pure hearted, and all that. The only real downside to his character was his naivety, but after learning that Onaga had used him, he was no longer naive.

The only complaint about him I found really legit was him having too many moves borrowed from other characters (but at least he had other qualities that other move stealers like Chameleon lacked), which they could easily fix in a new game IMO by either making his specials less of a carbon copy of the others characters' versions, or just giving him new specials altogether, which shouldn't be hard to think up of for someone of Shujinko's stature. Just because he's not Liu Kang, people tend to be a lot more mean-spirited towards him than they should, it seems.

in Armageddon the younger sub zero stelmated Taven but got defeated by smoke and noob .. i guess its ok since its 2 on 1 , younger sub zero kicks ass i love him

Scorpion owned both sub zeros

Originally posted by CapPlanet
in Armageddon the younger sub zero stelmated Taven but got defeated by smoke and noob .. i guess its ok since its 2 on 1 , younger sub zero kicks ass i love him

Since Scorpion had killed Noob during the battle of Armageddon whom Subzero failed to defeat before (you see Noob impaled by Scorpion's mugai ryu sword during MK9's opening scene), I guess it goes to show that the only reason younger Subzero beat Scorpion during that sword battle in Armageddon was because of his armor guiding him blow for blow which also allowed him to survive in his Deception ending. Also goes to show that the younger Sub only managed to defeat his brother in MK9 due to his physical enhancements as a cyborg, since he couldn't beat Noob as a human in Armageddon.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
From what I saw, only Noob had fought Subzero in Armageddon's konquest mode and defeated him. Smoke was fighting Taven while that was happening, so it wasn't a 2 on 1 for Subzero...

Since Scorpion had killed Noob during the battle of Armageddon whom Subzero failed to defeat before (you see Noob impaled by Scorpion's mugai ryu sword during MK9's opening scene), I guess it goes to show that the only reason younger Subzero beat Scorpion during that sword battle in Armageddon was because of his armor guiding him blow for blow which also allowed him to survive in his Deception ending. Also goes to show that the younger Sub only managed to defeat his brother in MK9 due to his physical enhancements as a cyborg, since he couldn't beat Noob as a human in Armageddon.

actually you are wrong, first of all the younger sub zero knows that noob is his brother so he didnt want to hurt his brother unlike noob who is pure evil and doesnt give a crap

an avidence to that is the fact younger sub zero stelmated taven who defeated noob easily, but the younger brother just couldnt hurt his elder brother

about the younger sub zero and scorpion thing... the armor didnt do all the fighting instead of him, the armor allowed sub zero to listen to his inner self and do better due to that

and even without the armor in the remake the younger sub zero owns scorpion so there you go , oh yeah and also in MK vs DC... I Know the storyline isnt canon but still it just shows you how would they fightif that storyline did happen so you got 3 winnings for younger sub zero vs 1 win for scorpion? younger sub zero wins 😄

The younger Sub also didn't want to fight/hurt his brother at first as a cyborg in MK9 but still beat him anyway to defend himself, so why couldn't he do so the same as a human in Armageddon?... And stalemated with Taven? We only didn't see the conclusion of their fight because of the Liu Kuei temple being invaded, but considering everyone else Taven has beaten, the half-God likely would've done the same to Subzero in the end as what he did to all his other opponents...

The younger Sub vs Scorpion encounter in MK9 was also something that wasn't really conclusive since Subzero got captured by Lin Kuei cyborgs in the middle of the fight, to be fair. But going by your logic from the Subzero vs Taven thing, I guess I could say he "stalemated" there too since there was no officially declared winner. lol

And since you're including MKvsDC, something non-canon, I guess that means we can include other non-canon material as well, in which case, Scorpion's gotten more than just 1 win against the younger Sub, since he clearly beat him in Annihilation also, which Liu had to save Subzero from falling off a bridge as Scorpion got away with capturing Kitana.
edit: Oh yeah, Scorpion also defeated younger Subzero in the episode he was in in the Defenders of the Realm cartoon, so I guess that's yet another win for Scorp. 😄 He's won a bit more times than you're giving him credit for apparently.

lol muslim.

Anyone know if there's any more dlc planned?

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol muslim.

Anyone know if there's any more dlc planned?

Originally posted by CapPlanet
🙂

Do they not ban this sucker by IP address, or does he just keep making new sock accounts with different IPs?

What'd he say originally? o.o

I forget now exactly... Think it was some kind of insult made towards you, or just said more of the same stuff he said before about muslims. One of those two. I don't get why he bothered to edit any of that out since he's gotta know he'd be banned eventually anyway, for being a sock and all. lol

As much as I like MK9, would rather this thread die again than continue to live just because of him posting nonsense.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The younger Sub also didn't want to fight/hurt his brother at first as a cyborg in MK9 but still beat him anyway to defend himself, so why couldn't he do so the same as a human in Armageddon?... And stalemated with Taven? We only didn't see the conclusion of their fight because of the Liu Kuei temple being invaded, but considering everyone else Taven has beaten, the half-God likely would've done the same to Subzero in the end as what he did to all his other opponents...

The younger Sub vs Scorpion encounter in MK9 was also something that wasn't really conclusive since Subzero got captured by Lin Kuei cyborgs in the middle of the fight, to be fair. But going by your logic from the Subzero vs Taven thing, I guess I could say he "stalemated" there too since there was no officially declared winner. lol

And since you're including MKvsDC, something non-canon, I guess that means we can include other non-canon material as well, in which case, Scorpion's gotten more than just 1 win against the younger Sub, since he clearly beat him in Annihilation also, which Liu had to save Subzero from falling off a bridge as Scorpion got away with capturing Kitana.
edit: Oh yeah, Scorpion also defeated younger Subzero in the episode he was in in the Defenders of the Realm cartoon, so I guess that's yet another win for Scorp. 😄 He's won a bit more times than you're giving him credit for apparently.

maybe as cyber sub zero he changed his mind, maybe they made him more ruthless and programmed him to be more cruel who knows , fact is that younger sub zero knows that noob is his brother and he loves his brother so most chances he didnt want to fight noob but was trying to talk some sense into him

yes it was a stalemate between young sub zero and taivan, they fought and there was no winner nor did anyone have an edge over the other so therfor its a well respected stelmate, if they would continue to fightwho knows what could happen perhaps even sub zero would defeat him, speculations work both ways but if we go by solid facts they stalemated each other which means no one could beat the other

the younger sub zero fight with scorpion shows clearly thatyounger sub zero bested him and defeated him, just because scorpion wasntknocked out or lying on theground doesnt mean he wasnt defeated, its actually very retardedto even trytoimply that they stalematedeach other because clearly we saw sub zero defeating scorpion and besting him like always.

MK vs DC is a well respected game that was developed by the creators and its a game just like any other only difference is that they put the characters in a what if situation and this shows you how they would fight each other in that what if situation, comics movies and other things doesnt count at all sinceits not only a different plot but a completely invalid and different take on mortal kombat, its different people that has nothing to do with mortal kombat bought rights and they portray the characters in there own vision, unlike the game which is always developed and watched by its creators , if you cant grasp thatconcept you are a moron, and you dont want to go by other versions because if we do than....scorpion got raped by everyone in the malibu comics, got raped twice by sub zero in the conquest series, got owned in annihilation by the young sub zero, young sub zero inflicted much more hits on scorpion and was clearly owning him ... scorpion got a lucky shot that droped sub zero on some rock thathe almost fell off but thats about it, sub zero dominated scorpion in thatmovie throught the entire fight

Originally posted by thusud
maybe as cyber sub zero he changed his mind, maybe they made him more ruthless and programmed him to be more cruel who knows , fact is that younger sub zero knows that noob is his brother and he loves his brother so most chances he didnt want to fight noob but was trying to talk some sense into him

yes it was a stalemate between young sub zero and taivan, they fought and there was no winner nor did anyone have an edge over the other so therfor its a well respected stelmate, if they would continue to fightwho knows what could happen perhaps even sub zero would defeat him, speculations work both ways but if we go by solid facts they stalemated each other which means no one could beat the other

the younger sub zero fight with scorpion shows clearly thatyounger sub zero bested him and defeated him, just because scorpion wasntknocked out or lying on theground doesnt mean he wasnt defeated, its actually very retardedto even trytoimply that they stalematedeach other because clearly we saw sub zero defeating scorpion and besting him like always.

MK vs DC is a well respected game that was developed by the creators and its a game just like any other only difference is that they put the characters in a what if situation and this shows you how they would fight each other in that what if situation, comics movies and other things doesnt count at all sinceits not only a different plot but a completely invalid and different take on mortal kombat, its different people that has nothing to do with mortal kombat bought rights and they portray the characters in there own vision, unlike the game which is always developed and watched by its creators , if you cant grasp thatconcept you are a moron, and you dont want to go by other versions because if we do than....scorpion got raped by everyone in the malibu comics, got raped twice by sub zero in the conquest series, got owned in annihilation by the young sub zero, young sub zero inflicted much more hits on scorpion and was clearly owning him ... scorpion got a lucky shot that droped sub zero on some rock thathe almost fell off but thats about it, sub zero dominated scorpion in thatmovie throught the entire fight

Except Taven's feats & number of victories in Armageddon > Subzero's in any game. Plus Taven fought Subzero before he got to put on his armor that he came to the temple for, so who knows how much more things would've been in his favor if he fought Subzero while wearing his armor that his mother left behind. Beyond that, until we see Subzero beat people like Raiden, Daegon, and Blaze, he's pretty much got nothing on the half-God as far as feats are concerned.

Won't argue against that then. Don't care too much for Scorpion anymore as much as you may think.

MKvsDC a well respected game? What rock have you been living under?... As shown on that game's thread here as well as topics about it on other places, it's mostly considered terrible and easily forgettable by the fanbase. Something that will not stand the test of time, and will only be remembered for being one of the lowest points of the series. Nevermind its continuity or anything; that wasn't even the root of its problems.

It's hypocritical on your part to say that comics, movies, and those other things don't count now when you first used 'em yourself during your initial Subzero wank, and lol again @ MKvsDC being a "well respected game".

As for the comment on the malibu comics, Subzero got raped more than more than anyone else in them besides some like Reptile as I pointed out before, whereas Scorpion didn't make as much prominent appearances, so overall it was a worse showing for Subzero than it was for Scorpion, considering how many more people beat Subby wubby.
Scorpion and Sub stalemated in Conquest as you said before, but now you're contradicting yourself by saying he raped him twice there... lol It was a stalemate during both their fights in the show if anything, though more-so during the 2nd fight when both of them became incapacitated and the intervention of Kung Lao forced them both to flee.

As for Annihilation, Scorpion came out on top even when they were both doing their flips during the fight scene, and was giving Subzero trouble with his kicks just before that. If Sub got more hits on him, it just went to show how durable Scorpion was since he still made good enough comebacks to incapacitate his opponent and capture Kitana. To say Scorpion just got one lucky shot on him goes to show how butthurt you are about the whole thing. lol The movie's as shitty as MKvsDC regardless by the franchise's standards.

Just as I stopped replying to you when you were trashing some of the MK character respect threads after I realized it was a lost cause shortly before MK9 came out, this will prolly be the last post I make in this thread until something relevant to MK9 actually comes up again, or if someone besides you makes an interesting post worth responding to, since replying to you again and again will only encourage you to make sock after sock account to come at me until one of us eventually stops replying. It's pathetic really, as is your obvious butthurt about the Scorpion and Subzero Annihilation fight, your hypocrisy about the use of other non-canon material besides MKvsDC, and implying that Subzero's equal to Taven. More than enough reason not to take you seriously, aside from the whole Muslim-related posts. If you're anything like the people/fanboys on those MK forums/communities out there, thank the Elder Gods I chose not to join any of them. Gives the series a bad name.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Cyber Subzero overcame his Lin Kuei programming with the help of his friends though, so I don't think he was more ruthless than usual when he fought his brother or anything, especially considering how heroic he was acting before when saving those captured soldiers.

Except Taven's feats & number of victories in Armageddon > Subzero's in any game. Plus Taven fought Subzero before he got to put on his armor that he came to the temple for, so who knows how much more things would've been in his favor if he fought Subzero while wearing his armor that his mother left behind. Beyond that, until we see Subzero beat people like Raiden, Daegon, and Blaze, he's pretty much got nothing on the half-God as far as feats are concerned.

Won't argue against that then. Don't care too much for Scorpion anymore as much as you may think.

MKvsDC a well respected game? What rock have you been living under?... As shown on that game's thread here as well as topics about it on other places, it's mostly considered terrible and easily forgettable by the fanbase. Something that will not stand the test of time, and will only be remembered for being one of the lowest points of the series. Nevermind its continuity or anything; that wasn't even the root of its problems.

It's hypocritical on your part to say that comics, movies, and those other things don't count now when you first used 'em yourself during your initial Subzero wank, and lol again @ MKvsDC being a "well respected game".

As for the comment on the malibu comics, Subzero got raped more than more than anyone else in them besides some like Reptile as I pointed out before, whereas Scorpion didn't make as much prominent appearances, so overall it was a worse showing for Subzero than it was for Scorpion, considering how many more people beat Subby wubby.
Scorpion and Sub stalemated in Conquest as you said before, but now you're contradicting yourself by saying he raped him twice there... lol It was a stalemate during both their fights in the show if anything, though more-so during the 2nd fight when both of them became incapacitated and the intervention of Kung Lao forced them both to flee.

As for Annihilation, Scorpion came out on top even when they were both doing their flips during the fight scene, and was giving Subzero trouble with his kicks just before that. If Sub got more hits on him, it just went to show how durable Scorpion was since he still made good enough comebacks to incapacitate his opponent and capture Kitana. To say Scorpion just got one lucky shot on him goes to show how butthurt you are about the whole thing. lol The movie's as shitty as MKvsDC regardless by the franchise's standards.

Just as I stopped replying to you when you were trashing some of the MK character respect threads after I realized it was a lost cause shortly before MK9 came out, this will prolly be the last post I make in this thread until something relevant to MK9 actually comes up again, or if someone besides you makes an interesting post worth responding to, since replying to you again and again will only encourage you to make sock after sock account to come at me until one of us eventually stops replying. It's pathetic really, as is your obvious butthurt about the Scorpion and Subzero Annihilation fight, your hypocrisy about the use of other non-canon material besides MKvsDC, and implying that Subzero's equal to Taven. More than enough reason not to take you seriously, aside from the whole Muslim-related posts. If you're anything like the people/fanboys on those MK forums/communities out there, thank the Elder Gods I chose not to join any of them. Gives the series a bad name.

it doesnt matter because the facts remain the same, young sub zero always was soft as far as his older brother and perhaps in the last instalment he desided to finally confront him,all the facts and logic shows us that younger sub zero just didnt want to fight noob, and since you like to use ABC logic fine then we will use it to prove noob cant beat younger sub zero on his own because if we look at everybody who defeated noob and everybody who young sub zero defeated we can come to the conclusion that noob simply cant defeat subs, even ifwe go by scorpion, you brought up the fact younger sub zero killed scorpion but scorpion killed noob so there you go using your own logic i proved again my point

the thing about taven, the game clearly shows them stalemating so the developers wanted to show us that they were equel, why didnt taven defeat him? why wasit a stalemate? because it is what it is a stalemate,and who did taven defeat that is so beyond subs? raiden? taven defeated the dark raiden... can you provide any avidance that the dark raiden is as powerful as ordinary raiden?

oh so suddenly you dont argue about scorpion? well you were doing it before so i guess i owned your ass and suddenly you dont care? hepocryte much? 😆

you really got logic and reading comprehension problems, wtf does it have to do with anything how the people recieved MKvsDC? what i was stating is the fact MKvsDC is a way more respected measure source than anything else because its a game developed by theMK developers who portray the characters as always and they just presented the characters fighting in a WHAT IF situation, basically ittells us how would they fight IF that situation happened, comics movies and many other things can never be as canon as that because its not only a different reality and overall a different universe but its also a different take on thecharacters sometimes changing there origins and changing there abilities, example? in mortal kombat annihilation 2 snakes were comming out of scorpions hand... can youeven say it was scorpion? it was a changed character , you understand my point now? or is it too complicated for you

the malibu comics was a tool to just show you that in all versions and universes of mortal kombat everybody present sub zero asthe superior,you wana talk about malibu ? fine... the sub zero in the malibu comics is not the younger sub zero its the older one, the older sub zero is the one who got his ass kicked many times but yet he always kicked scorpions ass , the younger sub zero makes a very little appearances in the malibu comics and he does well in his fights, so what does it show you? that the sub zero that got owned by everybody still owned scorpion and always made him run away 😆 , and yes scorpion didnt make many appearances but when he made he got owned by sub zero and kitana

go and watch conquest again, in the first fight they had sub zero owned scorpion and actually raped him i couldnt believe how one sided that fight was when i first watched it, the second fight as i stated was evenly matched but when i watched it again i saw that at the end sub zero inflicted a good combo on scorpion and made scorpion fly away then sub zero began to aproach him and scorpion suddenly used his powers, which shows us that scorpion lost and resorted to using his powers because he couldnt deal with sub zero hand 2 hand.

you are trying to grasp on straws but it wont help you here, in annihilation at the beginning of the fight young sub zero completely owned scorpion,then whenscorpion fell to that tunnel he was waiting for sub zero and yet sub zero manage to avoide an already waiting for him scorpion and continue to own him in the tunnel,finally scorpion manage to deliver some kicks and they get out , then subzero still proves to be superior by delivering more hits, finally scorpion manage to deliver a kick that sends sub zero into some cliff and he needed help to get out, you call that a win? it was just a lucky kick that didnt do any damagejust placed sub zero in a difficult situation, when i said lucky kick i didntmean all scorpion did during the entire fight is just 1 kick what i meant is that scorpion was able to finish the fight with a lucky kick that again didnt kock out sub zero or didnt even took him out it just placed him in a wrong situation thats all, sub zero dominated scorpion the entire fight, i know its a crappy movie but you should go and watch it one more time or hell even on youtube because you clearly gotmemory issues as much as reading comprehension.

do you really think i am comming back for you? Lol you are giving yourself too much credit , you are a nobody and you suck at debating, i am comming back for the "comics book vs forums" and i just enter here to write something, but i am logging on for the vs forums not you or this board you idiot,did you think i am comming back for you? i am owning you with easy ... i did it 2 month ago and i am doing it again you suck at debating, my purpose is debating on the VS FORUMS, you are just someone that i enjoy in between my debates on the other boards

Originally posted by wusup
it doesnt matter because the facts remain the same, young sub zero always was soft as far as his older brother and perhaps in the last instalment he desided to finally confront him,all the facts and logic shows us that younger sub zero just didnt want to fight noob, and since you like to use ABC logic fine then we will use it to prove noob cant beat younger sub zero on his own because if we look at everybody who defeated noob and everybody who young sub zero defeated we can come to the conclusion that noob simply cant defeat subs, even ifwe go by scorpion, you brought up the fact younger sub zero killed scorpion but scorpion killed noob so there you go using your own logic i proved again my point

the thing about taven, the game clearly shows them stalemating so the developers wanted to show us that they were equel, why didnt taven defeat him? why wasit a stalemate? because it is what it is a stalemate,and who did taven defeat that is so beyond subs? raiden? taven defeated the dark raiden... can you provide any avidance that the dark raiden is as powerful as ordinary raiden?

oh so suddenly you dont argue about scorpion? well you were doing it before so i guess i owned your ass and suddenly you dont care? hepocryte much? 😆

you really got logic and reading comprehension problems, wtf does it have to do with anything how the people recieved MKvsDC? what i was stating is the fact MKvsDC is a way more respected measure source than anything else because its a game developed by theMK developers who portray the characters as always and they just presented the characters fighting in a WHAT IF situation, basically ittells us how would they fight IF that situation happened, comics movies and many other things can never be as canon as that because its not only a different reality and overall a different universe but its also a different take on thecharacters sometimes changing there origins and changing there abilities, example? in mortal kombat annihilation 2 snakes were comming out of scorpions hand... can youeven say it was scorpion? it was a changed character , you understand my point now? or is it too complicated for you

the malibu comics was a tool to just show you that in all versions and universes of mortal kombat everybody present sub zero asthe superior,you wana talk about malibu ? fine... the sub zero in the malibu comics is not the younger sub zero its the older one, the older sub zero is the one who got his ass kicked many times but yet he always kicked scorpions ass , the younger sub zero makes a very little appearances in the malibu comics and he does well in his fights, so what does it show you? that the sub zero that got owned by everybody still owned scorpion and always made him run away 😆 , and yes scorpion didnt make many appearances but when he made he got owned by sub zero and kitana

go and watch conquest again, in the first fight they had sub zero owned scorpion and actually raped him i couldnt believe how one sided that fight was when i first watched it, the second fight as i stated was evenly matched but when i watched it again i saw that at the end sub zero inflicted a good combo on scorpion and made scorpion fly away then sub zero began to aproach him and scorpion suddenly used his powers, which shows us that scorpion lost and resorted to using his powers because he couldnt deal with sub zero hand 2 hand.

you are trying to grasp on straws but it wont help you here, in annihilation at the beginning of the fight young sub zero completely owned scorpion,then whenscorpion fell to that tunnel he was waiting for sub zero and yet sub zero manage to avoide an already waiting for him scorpion and continue to own him in the tunnel,finally scorpion manage to deliver some kicks and they get out , then subzero still proves to be superior by delivering more hits, finally scorpion manage to deliver a kick that sends sub zero into some cliff and he needed help to get out, you call that a win? it was just a lucky kick that didnt do any damagejust placed sub zero in a difficult situation, when i said lucky kick i didntmean all scorpion did during the entire fight is just 1 kick what i meant is that scorpion was able to finish the fight with a lucky kick that again didnt kock out sub zero or didnt even took him out it just placed him in a wrong situation thats all, sub zero dominated scorpion the entire fight, i know its a crappy movie but you should go and watch it one more time or hell even on youtube because you clearly gotmemory issues as much as reading comprehension.

do you really think i am comming back for you? Lol you are giving yourself too much credit , you are a nobody and you suck at debating, i am comming back for the "comics book vs forums" and i just enter here to write something, but i am logging on for the vs forums not you or this board you idiot,did you think i am comming back for you? i am owning you with easy ... i did it 2 month ago and i am doing it again you suck at debating, my purpose is debating on the VS FORUMS, you are just someone that i enjoy in between my debates on the other boards

If Taven and Subzero were equal, Sub wouldn't of needed Taven's help when it came to Noob Saibot or the brotherhood of shadow in general. Was never shown or implied that Dark Raiden was weaker than ordinary Raiden. Still had the same abilities and such.

As far as MK9 I agreed that younger Sub pretty much beat Scorpion fair and square, so I saw no reason to argue against that. And I don't care about Scorpion as much as a character as you do Subzero, is what I meant, not that you have any room to talk when it comes to hypocrisy anyway. lol

My comprehensions are fine. You said MKvsDC was a well respected game, and I pointed out as to why it wasn't really. I get what you're saying on that other stuff, and agree with the Annihilation example as far as how different it was, but MKvsDC isn't the most respected measure source as far as non-canon stuff in the series goes... The first movie alone is more respected in that regard, due to the amount of influence it had on the series itself, such as Kano going from being an American character to Australian one because of how well received the Australian actor's performance (Trevor Goddard) was in the film. The list goes on. The movie is also basically a "what if" scenario as far as what if Scorpion and Goro had fought Johnny Cage in the tournament and all that. The character origins and other stuff aren't any different in it either, except for Liu entering the tournament because his brother was killed, and perhaps even less trivial stuff than that, but the influence first movie had on the series still puts it above MKvsDC.

Subzero got more hits/kicks on Scorpion during the first fight in Conquest but Scorpion was still standing and all... Um, okay? As for the 2nd fight, Subzero actually used his main powers before Scorpion did, which then Scorpion teleported and later used his snake/spear. In a clever unpredictable way I might add. In the end though, they both became incapacitated and fled because of Kung Lao, so it was a stalemate.

Just rewatched the Annihilation fight scene. It's basically as I remembered, and you said I had a memory problem. lol (might be right about the reading comprehension though, since bad spelling and grammar such as yours tends to do that to me 😉 ); Subzero gets a head start (that ice bridge looked so damn fake), but then Scorpion started kicking the hell out of him after Subzero got a couple more hits in when they were in the tunnel, then feeling overwhelmed, Subzero got out of the tunnel, and then Scorp outdid him when they were both doing their flips... Not grasping at straws, just stating the truth. If anything too, Subzero should've been able to pull himself up by grabbing onto one of the ledges or something, but he needed Liu to help him up as Scorpion got away with Kitana... That's sad. Be butthurt about it and downplay it all you want. It's still a win for Scorpion regardless of his opponent getting more hits in. Was even more one-sided too when Scorpion beat younger Subzero in the cartoon B), but of course you'll be a hypocrite again and say it doesn't count even though you're using other non-canon stuff besides MKvsDC to support Subzero yourself. *rolls eyes*

I'm a nobody? Then what are you? Definitely not someone different or better if you can't even post here without a sock. Must've been even worse than me at debating if you got your original account perma-banned here. What'd you do? Throw too many insults at someone when they kept disproving something you were arguing on Comic Vs, hmm?
You never owned me before. I just stopped talking to you when I realized how pointless and stupid it was on the games respect forum and how hypocritical you were being, like I'm starting to again now. mmm If you're mainly only still coming here for Comic Vs, then kindly stay on that forum only and GTFO of this one. Otherwise I can only assume I mean too much to you for you to not keep posting here, in which case, I'm touched. <3

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

If Taven and Subzero were equal, Sub wouldn't of needed Taven's help when it came to Noob Saibot or the brotherhood of shadow in general. Was never shown or implied that Dark Raiden was weaker than ordinary Raiden. Still had the same abilities and such.

As far as MK9 I agreed that younger Sub pretty much beat Scorpion fair and square, so I saw no reason to argue against that. And I don't care about Scorpion as much as a character as you do Subzero, is what I meant, not that you have any room to talk when it comes to hypocrisy anyway. lol

My comprehensions are fine. You said MKvsDC was a well respected game, and I pointed out as to why it wasn't really. I get what you're saying on that other stuff, and agree with the Annihilation example as far as how different it was, but MKvsDC isn't the most respected measure source as far as non-canon stuff in the series goes... The first movie alone is more respected in that regard, due to the amount of influence it had on the series itself, such as Kano going from being an American character to Australian one because of how well received the Australian actor's performance (Trevor Goddard) was in the film. The list goes on. The movie is also basically a "what if" scenario as far as what if Scorpion and Goro had fought Johnny Cage in the tournament and all that. The character origins and other stuff aren't any different in it either.

Subzero got more hits/kicks on Scorpion during the first fight in Conquest but Scorpion was still standing and all... Um, okay? As for the 2nd fight, Subzero actually used his main powers before Scorpion did, which then Scorpion teleported and later used his snake/spear. In a clever unpredictable way I might add. In the end though, they both became incapacitated and fled because of Kung Lao, so it was a stalemate.

Just rewatched the Annihilation fight scene. It's basically as I remembered, and you said I had a memory problem. lol (might be right about the reading comprehension though, since bad spelling and grammar such as yours tends to do that to me 😉 ); Subzero gets a head start (that ice bridge looked so damn fake), but then Scorpion started kicking the hell out of him after Subzero got a couple more hits in when they were in the tunnel, then feeling overwhelmed, Subzero got out of the tunnel, and then Scorp outdid him when they were both doing their flips... Not grasping at straws, just stating the truth. If anything too, Subzero should've been able to pull himself up by grabbing onto one of the ledges or something, but he needed Liu to help him up as Scorpion got away with Kitana... That's sad. Be butthurt about it and downplay it all you want. It's still a win for Scorpion regardless of his opponent getting more hits in. Was even more one-sided too when Scorpion beat younger Subzero in the cartoon B), but of course you'll be a hypocrite again and say it doesn't count even though you're using other non-canon stuff besides MKvsDC to support Subzero yourself. *rolls eyes*

I'm a nobody? Then what are you? Definitely not someone different or better if you can't even post here without a sock. Must've been even worse than me at debating if you got your original account perma-banned here. What'd you do? Throw too many insults at someone when they kept disproving something you were arguing on Comic Vs, hmm?
You never owned me before. I just stopped talking to you when I realized how pointless and stupid it was on the games respect forum and how hypocritical you were being, like I'm starting to again now. mmm If you're mainly only still coming here for Comic Vs, then kindly stay on that forum only and GTFO of this one. Otherwise I can only assume I mean too much to you for you to not keep posting here, in which case, I'm touched. <3

yes we pointed out already the fact noob defeated his younger brother however there is a context behind it which you fail to grasp, i already pointed out that the young sub zero knows that noob is his older brother and he is very imotional towards his brother , it can very clearly be that in armageddon the young brother didnt want to fight back he was trying to talk some sense into noob, my claim can be supported by the fact the same thing happened in mortal kombat 9, cyborg subs was trying to talk sense ito noob but the difference is that in 9 he finally desided to fight his older brother, i dont see whats wrong with that , in armageddon he couldnt do it but in mortal kombat 9 he finally came to the conclusion he has to , as i said before using your own logic of who beat who...young subs killed scorpion while scorpion killed noob so that means younger sub zero>scorpion>noob, there for the reason noob was able to "defeat" his younger brother in armageddon is due to the fact his younger brother didnt fight back case closed.

i asked if you can prove that dark raiden was the same as ordinary raiden, who said they are equel? ordinary raiden fights for earth realm he has hope and a vision, its like superman when he is trying to save the world he just steps 1 gear higher, dark raiden lost all hope and will so he probably doesnt have the will to win , prove that dark raiden was just as ordinary raiden

how do you know sub zero needed tavens help? maybe he could have the entire situation under control? just because taven desided to help him doesnt mean he couldnt deal with it on his own, maybe if taven wasntaround sub zero after "defeated" by noob would lose it and stop holding back against his brother and just go and own everybody and take names? prove it couldnt happen, besides who said taven could have everything under control as well? you are saying that if they are equals that means sub zero has to be able to take everything under control... can you prove taven being able to handle all those by himself? no you cant so once again case closed.

you are trying to avoid a simple point i made, its not debatble its just a fact, what we are discussing here are the canon fights in mortal kombat universe, we are reffuring to the VIDEO GAMES right? because the VIDEO GAMES are the official and canon universe of mortal kombat,not the movies not series not comics and hell not even themortal kombat stickers, we are talking about the video games just like if we are going to discuss superman abilities in fight we are going to use his comics not his movies am i right? hey did you see x-men origins wolverine? guess what in that movie wolverine doesnt display any notable fighting skills at all, so by your logic i can debate and say that wolverine doesnt have any notable skills because thats the way they portray him in a movie? when we discuss a fictional character abilities or character overall we do it by its original source and in this case mortal kombat is a video game therefor we go by the video games and not some movie or comics or seires that were made by some people that just bought some rights and now they portray mortal kombat in there own vision, again case closed unless you really got issue with IQ.

as i pointed out already in the first fight in the conquest series sub zero humiliated scorpion, in the second fight it doesnt matter that sub zero used his powers in the middle of the fight because let me remind you that scorpion also used his teleporting move to surprise sub zero so that was nothing, then they continue to fight hand 2 hand until sub zero deliveres a good combo on scorpion taking him down and then he is aproaching scorpion to finish him off and suddenly scorpion is using his spear? that shows us that scorpion admited he cant beat sub zero in hand2hand and ressurted to using his powers, its not an opinion or view its a solid fact, try to watch it without your fanboy glasses.

so i guess you are using the well known "you suck at spelling and grammer" tactic when youget cornered he? well i am actually russian you know what that means? yep that means my native language isnt english and yet i discuss with you on a different language that i had to learn on my own because in russia they dont teach english in schools, i personally would love to see you debate me in russian or hell any other language like i do.

if you did see the fight in Annihilation then you are truely pathetic if you are still arguing scorpion won that fight, i know that while watching the fight and typing your bullshit you were like "damnn sub zero ownedthat a$$", in the beginning sub zero owned scorpion perfectly, then in the ice tunnel scorpion is waiting for him and still sub zero manage to beat his a$$ even while being expected by scorpion, they yeah scorpion gave him some kicks, but then when they got out sub zero runs towards scorpion jumps and deliver him 2 kicks one on top of his head making scorpion fall down, then scorpion winning the flip move but thats about it because after the flip sub zero scores 2 hits on scorpion and then scorpion manage to deliver a lucky kick that sends sub zero to a ledge and he needed help to get out , if you fight someone that totally beat you up and owning you but then you hit him and he falls to some pit or something can you say you were the better fighter? again you fail against FACTS.

i am posting with a sock because i got banned due to the fact i challenged the "comics book vs forums" BADABING to a battlezone but of course he is a mod and he is afraid to get into a debate so he just chose to ban me ever since but thats about it, if you want take a visit over there and see for yourself how many trolls are there but they dont get banned because the mod likes them, and who do you think you are to tell me where to post and where not? maybe its you who should GTFO of here? yep you are a hepocryte like i stated before.

Very well. If younger Sub actually didn't fight back against Noob in Armageddon, then I can agree with that first paragraph, and I myself said before in a previous post that younger Sub > Scorpion > Noob overall, so yeah. I never denied that younger Subzero beat Scorpion more times than not during the times they fought in actual canon, in fact.

Why do I have to prove that Dark Raiden's the same as ordinary Raiden? Dark Raiden fought for Earthrealm too, just in a more ruthless way, though as shown by the MK9 opening scene, he still had some good in him. You may be right about Dark Raiden not having as much the will to win though, but that can be speculated either way.

Subzero was in a knocked out state just after Taven entered the room, so if Taven wasn't there, Sub's older brother prolly would've killed him like in Noob's Deception ending. How do you know Subzero would've stopped "holding back" if Taven wasn't around? Taven and Sub are alike in the sense of having a corrupted brother, except Taven didn't have a weakness in character like compassion that allowed him to get his ass kicked by Daegon... And yes, Taven would be able to handle the brotherhood of shadow by himself. Given the other things Taven has handled himself before (black dragon, red dragon, demons of Netherrealm, etc.), the brotherhood of shadow that invaded the Lin Kuei temple would be no problem for him, if that's what you're questioning.

Again, I get what you're saying, and agree with those other examples, but MKvsDC isn't anymore reliable a source for the MK universe than the MK movies are, even Annihilation. An evidence of that is Raiden's MKvsDC bio claiming that he and Shao Kahn are brothers, a plot device that was only used before in Annihilation, never in the games or anything. If you don't see where I'm coming from with that at least, then it's you whose really got issue with IQ.

The MK comics are an even less respected measuring source than any of those. The main producers of MK had nothing to do with the malibu ones, at least. Aside from having rare cool moments, they died because they were horrible and laughable, worthy only for nostalgia or demonstrating how NOT to make a comic, from story and art. Every single person within said his/her own name every other speech bubble.

Both used their powers at some point before the end of the fight in Conquest, so it's fair game for Scorpion to be able to use his spear whenever he chooses. Maybe you're right though, maybe he did use it because he had no other way of making a comeback at that point (seems plausible enough), but it doesn't matter since in the end they were both no longer able to fight when Kung Lao entered the scene and fled. Fanboy glasses? Funny coming from you. mmm

As for other languages, I know Spanish enough as to speak it, but not type in full sentences. When you accuse me of having a problem of reading comprehension though, why wouldn't I point out your faulty spelling in return? lol You deserved it for that.

I understand Subzero may have fought better and more valiantly in Annihilation during the fight, but he still lost since he needed Liu Kang to come over there and pull him up after those kicks Scorpion did to him... You try to distance yourself from the fact it was still a win for Scrop by saying he just got a lucky shot in or that Sub landed more hits, which again shows your butthurt and bias for Subzero. Yeah, Subzero did fight better initially, but that doesn't always determine the outcome of a fight as proven by the end result of the fight scene.

I'm sorry to hear that then, truly. I'll admit it was an unjust ban if anything. And yeah, I've been to Comic Vs and know how much of a mess the place is, which is why I stopped going there after awhile.
lol How am I the hypocrite here when it's you whose shown much more evidence of being one? (assuming I've even shown evidence of hypocrisy at all) And me getting off of this forum? Unlikely. The video games forum/vs forum is my main place to go on KMC. Without it, this place wouldn't be worth my time nearly as much. Plus I have the general friendship/respect of most of the video game forum's members here, unlike you. To others in this thread, you're just some anonymous troll who talks shit about Muslims or makes bait posts when you complain about Raiden's portrayals or somesuch.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Very well. If younger Sub actually didn't fight back against Noob in Armageddon, then I can agree with that first paragraph, and I myself said before in a previous post that younger Sub > Scorpion > Noob overall, so yeah. I never denied that younger Subzero beat Scorpion more times than not during the times they fought in actual canon, in fact.

Why do I have to prove that Dark Raiden's the same as ordinary Raiden? Dark Raiden fought for Earthrealm too, just in a more ruthless way, though as shown by the MK9 opening scene, he still had some good in him. You may be right about Dark Raiden not having as much the will to win though, but that can be speculated either way.

Subzero was in a knocked out state just after Taven entered the room, so if Taven wasn't there, Sub's older brother prolly would've killed him like in Noob's Deception ending. How do you know Subzero would've stopped "holding back" if Taven wasn't around? Taven and Sub are alike in the sense of having a corrupted brother, except Taven didn't have a weakness in character like compassion that allowed him to get his ass kicked by Daegon... And yes, Taven would be able to handle the brotherhood of shadow by himself. Given the other things Taven has handled himself before (black dragon, red dragon, demons of Netherrealm, etc.), the brotherhood of shadow that invaded the Lin Kuei temple would be no problem for him, if that's what you're questioning.

Again, I get what you're saying, and agree with those other examples, but MKvsDC isn't anymore reliable a source for the MK universe than the MK movies are, even Annihilation. An evidence of that is Raiden's MKvsDC bio claiming that he and Shao Kahn are brothers, a plot device that was only used before in Annihilation, never in the games or anything. If you don't see where I'm coming from with that at least, then it's you whose really got issue with IQ.

The MK comics are an even less respected measuring source than any of those. The main producers of MK had nothing to do with the malibu ones, at least. Aside from having rare cool moments, they died because they were horrible and laughable, worthy only for nostalgia or demonstrating how NOT to make a comic, from story and art. Every single person within said his/her own name every other speech bubble.

Both used their powers at some point before the end of the fight in Conquest, so it's fair game for Scorpion to be able to use his spear whenever he chooses. Maybe you're right though, maybe he did use it because he had no other way of making a comeback at that point (seems plausible enough), but it doesn't matter since in the end they were both no longer able to fight when Kung Lao entered the scene and fled. Fanboy glasses? Funny coming from you. mmm

As for other languages, I know Spanish enough as to speak it, but not type in full sentences. When you accuse me of having a problem of reading comprehension though, why wouldn't I point out your faulty spelling in return? lol You deserved it for that.

I understand Subzero may have fought better and more valiantly in Annihilation during the fight, but he still lost since he needed Liu Kang to come over there and pull him up after those kicks Scorpion did to him... You try to distance yourself from the fact it was still a win for Scrop by saying he just got a lucky shot in or that Sub landed more hits, which again shows your butthurt and bias for Subzero. Yeah, Subzero did fight better initially, but that doesn't always determine the outcome of a fight as proven by the end result of the fight scene.

I'm sorry to hear that then, truly. I'll admit it was an unjust ban if anything. And yeah, I've been to Comic Vs and know how much of a mess the place is, which is why I stopped going there after awhile.
lol How am I the hypocrite here when it's you whose shown much more evidence of being one? (assuming I've even shown evidence of hypocrisy at all) And me getting off of this forum? Unlikely. The video games forum/vs forum is my main place to go on KMC. Without it, this place wouldn't be worth my time nearly as much. Plus I have the general friendship/respect of most of the video game forum's members here, unlike you. To others in this thread, you're just some anonymous troll who talks shit about Muslims or makes bait posts when you complain about Raiden's portrayals or somesuch.

you agree with me on many points instead of just arguing with me because of your ego like any other poster would do, you really accept things when they are true and yet stick to the ones you believe in, what can i say you sure earned my respect as a poster and it seems to me that you are the soul of those boards so i apologize for trolling you, many a$$holes on the VS FORUMS can learn much from you.

and about the raiden thing? yeah i guess people are tired of seeing me bitching for ages about raiden , what can i say i just hated the way he was ***** slapped by kahn like an abused wife 🙁

Originally posted by wusup
what can i say i just hated the way he was ***** slapped by kahn like an abused wife 🙁

Right? What's up with that? Freakin' god of thunder.

is there going to be more DLC? or any other downloadable content? i got all 4 fighters and i think it would be great to download goro and kahn as playable characters or shinok

i recently heard goro and shao kahn are the next DLC is it true?