Originally posted by JakeTheBankwhat else am I supposed to do when you're trolling by not even willing to concede that Vegeta is too fast for thor...one of the most basic issues in this fight. I mean, I'm fair, I acknowledge that thor has advantages in terms of stamina and durability, but if you're not even gonna acknowledge basic facts, I see little sense in substantive debate.
Wow.It took all but two posts for you to try and troll me.
Originally posted by Starscream M
what else am I supposed to do when you're trolling by not even willing to concede that Vegeta is too fast for thor...one of the most basic issues in this fight. I mean, I'm fair, I acknowledge that thor has advantages in terms of stamina and durability, but if you're not even gonna acknowledge basic facts, I see little sense in substantive debate.
I also love how Starscream says I'm "wanking" Thor when I'm countering claims of Thor being unable to do the very things his comics have shown him doing. The only real rebuttal people have is "Well, it's DBZ and ABC logic works, so yeah they're more powerful than Thor based them being more powerful than Frieza/Androids/Etc." Which is funny, because that might actually work if, y'know, Thor was a DBZ character. Either than train of thought or just lowballing Thor when it's clear he'll be fighting to the best of his ability here.
Originally posted by Omega Visionso are you calling onedumbgo and illadelph brainless idiots? since they both agree with the latter
There's a difference between the statement "Vegeta is faster than Thor" something that everyone agrees on and "Vegeta is too fast for Thor", something that anyone with any respect for both characters and a decent understanding would reject as a sound statement.
Originally posted by Starscream M
what else am I supposed to do when you're trolling by not even willing to concede that Vegeta is too fast for thor...one of the most basic issues in this fight. I mean, I'm fair, I acknowledge that thor has advantages in terms of stamina and durability, but if you're not even gonna acknowledge basic facts, I see little sense in substantive debate.
But...he's not. 😐
Sheer movement speed when it comes to flight, Thor has him beat. Mjolnir's top speed has been clocked at millions to billions of times the speed of light. Reaction time speaking, Thor has reacted to instant attacks or FTL ones. He's punked out speedsters multiple times. He's caught tanks shells and missiles out of mid-air.
Vegeta being "too fast" isn't even a point to be made here based on Thor's feats. He is fast to be certain, but Thor's options here royally screw him.
And lol at the whole "you're trolling so I have to troll you" argument. I'm not trolling by supporting my argument with actual feats and on panel instances.
Originally posted by Starscream M
so are you calling onedumbgo and illadelph brainless idiots? since they both agree with the latter
Originally posted by Starscream M
so are you calling onedumbgo and illadelph brainless idiots? since they both agree with the latter
Strawman much?
Where did OV say in that post they're "brainless idiots"? ODG made the Thor respect thread, sure, but I don't agree with him all the time when it comes to Thor - and that's at times when I think he wins or loses.
Originally posted by Starscream MYou realize there is a huge gap between sound and lightspeed, right?
between sound and light speedalmost instantaneous
you don't even see blurs is how fast they are
Neither one is almost instantaneous. I don't recall any mention of lightspeed movement aside from the time it was dubbed wrong.
Spiderman has made blurs by his movement.
Thor has reacted to things moving at lightspeed.
Originally posted by Mindsetyou're right regarding the huge gap
You realize there is a huge gap between sound and lightspeed, right?Neither one is almost instantaneous. I don't recall any mention of lightspeed movement aside from the time it was dubbed wrong.
Spiderman has made blurs by his movement.
Thor has reacted to things moving at lightspeed.
they certainly move faster than sound, but I doubt they move faster than light...hence the range I gave
thor may have on occasion reacted to things that moved at light speed or faster...just like every street leveler has some bullet feats although none of them can logically do so given you need to be able to move faster than a bullet and react to avoid them..yet street levelers do so. does that mean a street leveler actually would have the reflexes to fight someone who can fight at bulletspeed or higher...hell no.
for that same reason, just because thor has some nebulous feats of deflecting a fast moving blow has no correlation to him actually fighting a skilled fighter who can move at that speed. I can hit a ball thrown at me at 70 mph, doesn't mean I could react to a leopard who can't run over 60mph but whose movement is fast.
Originally posted by Starscream M
you're right regarding the huge gapthey certainly move faster than sound, but I doubt they move faster than light...hence the range I gave
thor may have on occasion reacted to things that moved at light speed or faster...just like every street leveler has some bullet feats although none of them can logically do so given you need to be able to move faster than a bullet and react to avoid them..yet street levelers do so. does that mean a street leveler actually would have the reflexes to fight someone who can fight at bulletspeed or higher...hell no.
for that same reason, just because thor has some nebulous feats of deflecting a fast moving blow has no correlation to him actually fighting a skilled fighter who can move at that speed. I can hit a ball thrown at me at 70 mph, doesn't mean I could react to a leopard who can't run over 60mph but whose movement is fast.
On occasion? Multiple occasions. More than enough to suggest it's in his skillset/powerset. They aren't these rare and elusive feats you're making them out to be, which is what I think is the problem. He has numerous instances of his high end reflexes, far more than the old "3-4 times showing to make it a valid argument" shtick most people rely on.
Nebulous feats? They're clear cut and spread out for you to see so you can come to the conclusion, "Hey, Thor's reflexes and speed output allow him to fight people with superspeed, defend against their attacks, and land them on his own."