Perfect Cell vs Thor

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Completely dissapear? As in become invisible or move so fast he can't be seen? Mjolnir has dispelled illusions before and can home in a specific target regardless of Thor can see him or not. Considering that Mjolnir's fight speed when thrown can exceeds speeds far greater than light (it went to the edge of the galaxy and came back within 60 seconds) and manueverability to richochet off walls and strike multiple enemies in a single toss, there is no way that DBZ characters move so fast they can always avoid Mjolnir. Just like they can track Ki, Mjolnir too can track its targets.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir16-Self-GuidanceJIM097.jpg Mjolnir can home in a target.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir22-Self-GuidanceAvengers.jpg Can strike in multiple angles repeatedly.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir116-SpeedWhomtheGodsWoul.jpg Can be thrown at speeds far greater than light and far greater than any DBZ character has ever moved outside of Instant Transmission, which wouldn't matter as Mjolnir would still home in on the target.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir161-AtmosphereAvengersAn.jpg And just for the lulz, Mjolnir escaped from a black hole. So nothing in their arsenal comes close to being able to keep Thor away from his hammer long enough to get the advantage.

And Thor doesn't have to worry about the 60 second rule, either.

And considering Thor has grabbed legitimate super speedsters like Quicksilver, Hermes, has reacted to INSTANT attacks like from the Pheonix's telepathic bolts, has moved faster than what Heimdall could have seen, whose senses pretty much crap on any DBZ character, you're going to tell me that these people are much faster than what he could ever hope to react to? Thor has on panel quantifiable proof of moving FTL through flight-speed, FTB and FTL fight reaction, and the ability to let Mjolnir tag his opponents by homing it in on their location.

Lol at Nappa, though.

And shit, Glads, Wonder Woman, and Hyperion all have speed feats which match or exceed DBZ characters. 😬 So bringing them into this doesn't do much of anything.

LOL...you show a brick like character dodging thors hammer. 😆 I guess that proves that the hammer can hit dbz characters. You name all these people that Thor has fought but all of them fail to show any type of combat speed like a dbz character, something like the dodging vegeta does in this scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CwXN0PVBWA&playnext_from=TL&videos=769N2PKpn2U&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh%2Bdiv-1r-1-HM

Do you honestly believe that Thor reflexes is fast enough or any of the people that you named are fast enough to dodge on this level, yeah Fu**** right.

Thor isnt hitting a DBZ character unless they are tied up and even then its debatable.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Again you have to prove it. Superman's CIS causing him to take punches from guys like Solomon Grundy doesn't negate his higher end reaction feats.

OOHHHH... so him being punched by these characters his entire career is CIS and DBZ showings of them avoid better punches doesnt show better reflexes. Look at the scene I put up with vegeta on my previous post. I have shown scans proving my case, example, Superman getting blizted by cheetah before the zoom upgrades and there isnt a feat from cheetah that makes me think cheetah is even faster than raditz or close to raditz speed... http://i42.tinypic.com/iejh4x.jpg

Supes getting blitzed by grundy...

http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=06513_Superman676016_122_125lo.jpg

Supes also admitting that someone is faster than him but lady shiva was able to defeat this same person. I can go for days but this isnt about Superman, this is about someone slower and Thor would get messed up by Tien if you actually looked at the feats and werent blind.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL...you show a brick like character dodging thors hammer. 😆 I guess that proves that the hammer can hit dbz characters. You name all these people that Thor has fought but all of them fail to show any type of combat speed like a dbz character, something like the dodging vegeta does in this scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CwXN0PVBWA&playnext_from=TL&videos=769N2PKpn2U&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh%2Bdiv-1r-1-HM

Do you honestly believe that Thor reflexes is fast enough or any of the people that you named are fast enough to dodge on this level, yeah Fu**** right.

Thor isnt hitting a DBZ character unless they are tied up and even then its debatable.

So you're ignoring the part where Mjolnir's top speeds have reached in excess of multiple times the speed of light? And the fact that Thor can just will it to hit a opponent when thrown? And the fact it can attack from multiple angles and continuously home in on its target?

I've proven that Thor can throw Mjolnir at speeds >>>>>> greater than what DBZ characters have moved. I've proven Thor has FTB and FTL reflexes. And I've proven that Mjolnir can tank everything they can throw at him and just drain them of their ki.

Now you prove that their speed makes them faster than what Thor can hope to react to, based on what Thor has reacted. You prove that they can dodge Mjolnir at 3x times lightspeed, let alone millions of times that speed. Prove they can withstand their ki being drained faster and more efficiently than Androids can do. And prove they can survive getting their own energy blasts tossed back in their face x10 or worse, x100.

Essentially the only thing the Vegeta's supporters are clinging to the fact that Vegeta is very fast, but considering Thor has reacted to high end speeds before, it doesn't hold much water. Every other significant advantage goes to Thor here.

Originally posted by carver9
OOHHHH... so him being punched by these characters his entire career is CIS and DBZ showings of them avoid better punches doesnt show better reflexes. Look at the scene I put up with vegeta on my previous post. I have shown scans proving my case, example, Superman getting blizted by cheetah before the zoom upgrades and there isnt a feat from cheetah that makes me think cheetah is even faster than raditz or close to raditz speed... http://i42.tinypic.com/iejh4x.jpg

Supes getting blitzed by grundy...

http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=06513_Superman676016_122_125lo.jpg

Supes also admitting that someone is faster than him but lady shiva was able to defeat this same person. I can go for days but this isnt about Superman, this is about someone slower and Thor would get messed up by Tien if you actually looked at the feats and werent blind.

So, basically, lowballing.

And when Superman has far better feats/showings than what you've posted, that's what it is.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So you're ignoring the part where Mjolnir's top speeds have reached in excess of multiple times the speed of light? And the fact that Thor can just will it to hit a opponent when thrown? And the fact it can attack from multiple angles and continuously home in on its target?

I've proven that Thor can throw Mjolnir at speeds >>>>>> greater than what DBZ characters have moved. I've proven Thor has FTB and FTL reflexes. And I've proven that Mjolnir can tank everything they can throw at him and just drain them of their ki.

Now you prove that their speed makes them faster than what Thor can hope to react to, based on what Thor has reacted. You prove that they can dodge Mjolnir at 3x times lightspeed, let alone millions of times that speed. Prove they can withstand their ki being drained faster and more efficiently than Androids can do. And prove they can survive getting their own energy blasts tossed back in their face x10 or worse, x100.

Essentially the only thing the Vegeta's supporters are clinging to the fact that Vegeta is very fast, but considering Thor has reacted to high end speeds before, it doesn't hold much water. Every other significant advantage goes to Thor here.

What I am clinging to is that Vegeta would mess Thor up before Thor even reacted and I'm not saying that Vegeta or Cell can only beat Thor because he is fast, Vegeta is just outright more powerful than Thor. I dont care how fast Thor threw mjolnir, he is strong enough to Thor the hammer at that speed, hell, Colossus has threw a ball out of space that hit velocity matching light but he isnt touching a DBZ character. Thor doesnt have light speed reaction, he might have a showing once or twice doing something out of the ordinary but his norm isnt light speed, not even close. Thor best showings still wouldnt give him the opportunity to hit someone like Vegeta and I know for a FACT he isnt touching Cell.

Thor would be hard pressed to hit a DBZ character with these attacks that you are talking about. They would cover the distance so fast as soon as the bell ring, he might not have the time to throw mjolnir. Thor would be on the defence the entire time.

This is a none fight.

Originally posted by carver9
What I am clinging to is that Vegeta would mess Thor up before Thor even reacted and I'm not saying that Vegeta or Cell can only beat Thor because he is fast, Vegeta is just outright more powerful than Thor. I dont care how fast Thor threw mjolnir, he is strong enough to Thor the hammer at that speed, hell, Colossus has threw a ball out of space that hit velocity matching light but he isnt touching a DBZ character. Thor doesnt have light speed reaction, he might have a showing once or twice doing something out of the ordinary but his norm isnt light speed, not even close. Thor best showings still wouldnt give him the opportunity to hit someone like Vegeta and I know for a FACT he isnt touching Cell.

Thor would be hard pressed to hit a DBZ character with these attacks that you are talking about. They would cover the distance so fast as soon as the bell ring, he might not have the time to throw mjolnir. Thor would be on the defence the entire time.

This is a none fight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, basically, lowballing.

And when Superman has far better feats/showings than what you've posted, that's what it is.

Not lowballing, just showing you things that would fail against a DBZ character. You bringing up Superman is irrelevant anyways since it was shown to millions, probably billions of people in the world that Super Saiyan Goku can one shot Supes. Yep, I'm referring to that crossover. Its also pointless to bring up Supes since Vegeta and Nappa soloed the entire Justice league without breaking a sweat and yes, that was also shown to the world.

This is about Thor and Thor doesnt stand a chance.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You're a none poster.

Thanks, I consider the same of you.

Originally posted by carver9
Not lowballing, just showing you things that would fail against a DBZ character. You bringing up Superman is irrelevant anyways since it was shown to millions, probably billions of people in the world that Super Saiyan Goku can one shot Supes. Yep, I'm referring to that crossover. Its also pointless to bring up Supes since Vegeta and Nappa soloed the entire Justice league without breaking a sweat and yes, that was also shown to the world.

This is about Thor and Thor doesnt stand a chance.

Wizard is trash.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You realize that after Wizard released that crossover there was a poll at a major Comic Con (which is naturally filled with Anime fans) and about 80% there gave Superman the nod.

Wizard is trash.

Show me this poll and again, Goku one shotted Superman with a punch and Vegeta and Nappa soloed the JLA. Lets not even bring up the DC writers that have stated NUMEROUS of times that Supes doesnt stand a chance against Goku.

Originally posted by carver9
What I am clinging to is that Vegeta would mess Thor up before Thor even reacted and I'm not saying that Vegeta or Cell can only beat Thor because he is fast, Vegeta is just outright more powerful than Thor. I dont care how fast Thor threw mjolnir, he is strong enough to Thor the hammer at that speed, hell, Colossus has threw a ball out of space that hit velocity matching light but he isnt touching a DBZ character. Thor doesnt have light speed reaction, he might have a showing once or twice doing something out of the ordinary but his norm isnt light speed, not even close. Thor best showings still wouldnt give him the opportunity to hit someone like Vegeta and I know for a FACT he isnt touching Cell.

Thor would be hard pressed to hit a DBZ character with these attacks that you are talking about. They would cover the distance so fast as soon as the bell ring, he might not have the time to throw mjolnir. Thor would be on the defence the entire time.

This is a none fight.

Prove it. Prove that Vegeta is faster than what Thor has "occasionally" reacted to. He has more than enough feats showing him reacting either instantaneously or at FTL speed, so no, that whole "it's out of the norm" or "a couple of random showings" argument doesn't work. At all. When Thor wants to tag someone really fast, he does. And no amount of lowballing or ignoring his high end reflexes changes that.

The fact you compared Colossus's throwing feat to Thor with Mjolnir proves you can't get around it. That and the fact you blatantly admitted "you don't care how fast he threw it". Thor has thrown Mjolnir at speeds greater than millions of times the speed of light. Considering he can tell Mjolnir to track a specific target and command it to tag them and no longer has the 60 second rule to apply himself to, prove that Vegeta is going to dodge or even survive that kind of attack.

And the fact you're saying that his highest end feats don't allow him to tag Vegeta is pretty ridiculous in of itself when you can't even prove Vegeta moves at lightspeed in combat. And you still haven't explained how they survive eating their own ki or getting it drained from them nigh instantly.

Essentially, you're just ignoring the multiple showings which prove that Thor can react at these speeds you want to place Vegeta on while calling them few and far between at the same time. He's reacted instantly to the Pheonix's telepathic blast while groggy. 😐

He's going to hit Cell here.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me this poll and again, Goku one shotted Superman with a punch and Vegeta and Nappa soloed the JLA. Lets not even bring up the DC writers that have stated NUMEROUS of times that Supes doesnt stand a chance against Goku.

Originally posted by carver9
Not lowballing, just showing you things that would fail against a DBZ character. You bringing up Superman is irrelevant anyways since it was shown to millions, probably billions of people in the world that Super Saiyan Goku can one shot Supes. Yep, I'm referring to that crossover. Its also pointless to bring up Supes since Vegeta and Nappa soloed the entire Justice league without breaking a sweat and yes, that was also shown to the world.

This is about Thor and Thor doesnt stand a chance.

You brought up Superman first by using two low end speed/reflexes showings as reasoning why Thor, someone slower than he, would be tagged by DBZ characters.

And seriously? Using Wizard as concrete arguing? It's non-canon obviously and secondly show me these interviews and statements where recognized DC writers say that Goku rapes Superman or anything close. Wizard is completely independent of Marvel/DC/Image, etc.

They're far from the authority on these characters.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Name the writers.

Mcduffie is one of them and I cant name the rest but you might want to start picking up wizard magazines, they have interviews like this all the time and they tend to pit characters from different comics against each other all the time and ask for judgements from said writers.

Originally posted by carver9
Mcduffie is one of them and I cant name the rest but you might want to start picking up wizard magazines, they have interviews like this all the time and they tend to pit characters from different comics against each other all the time and ask for judgements from said writers.

A Wizard interview is as credible a source as the opinions of posters on this site. In a lot of cases the writers are probably less knowledgeable than some of the posters here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prove it. Prove that Vegeta is faster than what Thor has "occasionally" reacted to. He has more than enough feats showing him reacting either instantaneously or at FTL speed, so no, that whole "it's out of the norm" or "a couple of random showings" argument doesn't work. At all. When Thor wants to tag someone really fast, he does. And no amount of lowballing or ignoring his high end reflexes changes that.

The fact you compared Colossus's throwing feat to Thor with Mjolnir proves you can't get around it. That and the fact you blatantly admitted "you don't care how fast he threw it". Thor has thrown Mjolnir at speeds greater than millions of times the speed of light. Considering he can tell Mjolnir to track a specific target and command it to tag them and no longer has the 60 second rule to apply himself to, prove that Vegeta is going to dodge or even survive that kind of attack.

And the fact you're saying that his highest end feats don't allow him to tag Vegeta is pretty ridiculous in of itself when you can't even prove Vegeta moves at lightspeed in combat. And you still haven't explained how they survive eating their own ki or getting it drained from them nigh instantly.

Essentially, you're just ignoring the multiple showings which prove that Thor can react at these speeds you want to place Vegeta on while calling them few and far between at the same time. He's reacted instantly to the Pheonix's telepathic blast while groggy. 😐

He's going to hit Cell here.

They dont have a defense against Thors draining power, hell, any energy manipulator doesnt. I agree with this but besides that, Thor isnt winning this fight and again, you havent showed me anyone who reflexes is close to Cell or Vegeta, you havent showed me Thor tagging them. I know thor has hit speedsters but he havent hit someone that has done the things that DBZ characters has done with there speed.

I never said Thor was slow so stop saying that I am saying that. I didnt bring up Superman, someone attacked me saying "You give Thor the knods over Superman but Superman is fast, why not Thor..." and I gave my reasons why.

Originally posted by carver9
They dont have a defense against Thors draining power, hell, any energy manipulator doesnt. I agree with this but besides that, Thor isnt winning this fight and again, you havent showed me anyone who reflexes is close to Cell or Vegeta, you havent showed me Thor tagging them. I know thor has hit speedsters but he havent hit someone that has done the things that DBZ characters has done with there speed.

I never said Thor was slow so stop saying that I am saying that. I didnt bring up Superman, someone attacked me saying "You give Thor the knods over Superman but Superman is fast, why not Thor..." and I gave my reasons why.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
PR has ruled against any consideration of Mcduffie. 😂

Mcduffie has done some great work on Supes if you ask me and you know that little scene Superman had with Doomsday where Doomsday punch went through him, you do know where that came from right and where the writer admitted that he got it?

You know that Darkseid vs Orion fight when they were fighting in the stadium, you do know who they were mimicing right and who they wanted darkseid and orion to fight like right? All of this was stated by the writers.

LOL 😆

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What are some of Cell's reflex feats?

I dont even want to use Cell, how about I use someone much slower. I'll be back, I'm about to head to work but I will be back on tonight. I'll show you later.... Have a good one.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont even want to use Cell, how about I use someone much slower. I'll be back, I'm about to head to work but I will be back on tonight. I'll show you later.... Have a good one.