Perfect Cell vs Thor

Originally posted by Black bolt z
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I still see no reason Cell can't melee thor.He would put up one helluva fight due to his combat speed.Although he still doesn't have as high of a chance as SS2 vegeta.

Cell is too much for Thor. This is spite... The only chance I can see Thor winning this is energy drain and even then its a big doubt because of DBZ character having so much control over their energy. He really wouldnt even know if Vegeta had energy powers anyway since Vegeta and Goku are more phyisical during combat.

Thor is screwed and again, Thor vs any of these people, Vegeta, Goku, Tien, Cell, any version of buu, Gohun or Frieza is spite. He have no way of winning. They are above him. Hell, people less powerful than the people that I have named has soloed the Avengers so I see no reason in the people listed above doing the same thing but better. Answer this, if frieza completely vanish in front of Thor face, what in the hell is Thor going to do. If you say he will see him, show me Thor spotting someone that is moving so fast that other super humans was unable to see him. I showed scans of frieza moving at continuous super speed without being seen by super human eyes, eyes that have spotted high speed blast coming at them.

DBZ characters have never shown the ability to resist energy drain as far as I remember, in fact, the opposite was shown.

Anyway, how fast can DBZ characters move?

Originally posted by carver9
DBZ character having so much control over their energy.

Originally posted by carver9
Cell is too much for Thor. This is spite... The only chance I can see Thor winning this is energy drain and even then its a big doubt because of DBZ character having so much control over their energy. He really wouldnt even know if Vegeta had energy powers anyway since Vegeta and Goku are more phyisical during combat.

Thor is screwed and again, Thor vs any of these people, Vegeta, Goku, Tien, Cell, any version of buu, Gohun or Frieza is spite. He have no way of winning. They are above him. Hell, people less powerful than the people that I have named has soloed the Avengers so I see no reason in the people listed above doing the same thing but better. Answer this, if frieza completely vanish in front of Thor face, what in the hell is Thor going to do. If you say he will see him, show me Thor spotting someone that is moving so fast that other super humans was unable to see him. I showed scans of frieza moving at continuous super speed without being seen by super human eyes, eyes that have spotted high speed blast coming at them.

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Energy drain would work. Androids were capable of doing it. Yamu and Spopovich did it with some kind of magic siphon device. Babidi even used his magic to collect ambient energy to revive Buu from Majin Vegeta and SS2 Goku. Yakkon did it and only failed because of being overloaded, something Mjolnir isn't going to do based on what it has absorbed. And Mjolnir can detect all kinds of energy, even energy that has been cloaked or is other indetectable. Mjolnir is a better energy tracker than anything shown in DBZ, period. And it's a better energy absorber than anything shown in DBZ, period. Its track record speaks for it self.

And basically, this is more of the whole "DBZ guys are uber because they're uber" argument. None of those videos you posted show anything close to being beyond what Thor has shown to react to, much less people faster than him (lol at FLASH being unable to tag DBZ characters). And here's one thing you don't seem to understand.

Thor doesn't need to use his own eyes/senses to detect his target when Mjolnir can do it for him. Mjolnir has tracked people across entire phucking dimensions, picked out people according to their energy signature, and have seen through Mephisto's own illusions.

And Thor's own senses have enabled him to tag things at FTL speeds. What you're doing here is dismissing his ability to tag a DBZ character because Thor doesn't fight like them. Okay? That doesn't take away his ability to be able to hit things of his own accord without using Mjolnir's tracking abilities.

Essentially the only real debatable advantage of Vegeta/Cell/Random DBZ character's here is speed, and honestly, based on Thor's abilities here and everything he brings to the table at large, it just isn't enough of an advantage to beat him.

Originally posted by Mindset
DBZ characters have never shown the ability to resist energy drain as far as I remember, in fact, the opposite was shown.

Anyway, how fast can DBZ characters move?

About lightspeed, give or take, at least by reaction/short range combat feats.

IMO, Cells energy projection, speed, and healing factor is enough make this competitive. Majority or non majority are arguable points, but he's not folding over like Spider-man or Luke Cage...

Originally posted by cdtm
About lightspeed, give or take, at least by reaction/short range combat feats.

IMO, Cells energy projection, speed, and healing factor is enough make this competitive. Majority or non majority are arguable points, but he's not folding over like Spider-man or Luke Cage...

Originally posted by Mindset
What feats show they are about lightspeed?

The speed Roshi's and Piccolo's attacks reached the moon was about a second, which is roughly how long it takes light to reach the Earth from the moon. Even accounting for speed variables in stronger Z attacks, Cell's dodged his share of multiple, speedy attacks, as most Z characters have...

Than there's other, less solid stuff like Cell being faster than Goku. Pre SSJ Goku appeared to be standing still, yet was actually dodging Jeice and Burters charges, and we saw from Burters perspective that time seems to slow to a crawl. (And it was bullet timers in Gohan and Krillan who slowed to a crawl.)

IF that's not enough to convince on light speed reflex's, it's still good enough for fairly high end speedster stuff.

Originally posted by cdtm
The speed Roshi's and Piccolo's attacks reached the moon was about a second, which is roughly how long it takes light to reach the Earth from the moon. Even accounting for speed variables in stronger Z attacks, Cell's dodged his share of multiple, speedy attacks, as most Z characters have...

Than there's other, less solid stuff like Cell being faster than Goku. Pre SSJ Goku appeared to be standing still, yet was actually dodging Jeice and Burters charges, and we saw from Burters perspective that time seems to slow to a crawl. (And it was bullet timers in Gohan and Krillan who slowed to a crawl.)

IF that's not enough to convince on light speed reflex's, it's still good enough for fairly high end speedster stuff.

anime right? well, in wolverine and the x-men, quicksilver was going woooshhh! and no one could see him. guess he was going light speed right?

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
anime right? well, in wolverine and the x-men, quicksilver was going woooshhh! and no one could see him. guess he was going light speed right?

Happened in the manga too. When Quicksilver did it, he was invisible to regular joes. Goku wasn't seen moving by bullet timers, and the bullet timers were snails compared to Burter, a character fast enough to have time dilation effects (Think how falling glass or raindrops slow to a crawl when Flash engages his speed) who ALSO didn't see Goku moving.

This is pre SSJ. The SSJ and SSJ2 upgrade have proven speed increases, if indefinable from before the upgrades due to lack of feats. But they're obvious in combat situations.

Originally posted by cdtm
Happened in the manga too. When Quicksilver did it, he was invisible to regular joes. Goku wasn't seen moving by bullet timers, and the bullet timers were snails compared to Burter, a character fast enough to have time dilation effects (Think how falling glass or raindrops slow to a crawl when Flash engages his speed) who ALSO didn't see Goku moving.

This is pre SSJ. The SSJ and SSJ2 upgrade have proven speed increases, if indefinable from before the upgrades due to lack of feats. But they're obvious in combat situations.

Good post and lets not even name all the times Goku outran nukes and his own Kamehameha.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Energy drain would work. Androids were capable of doing it. Yamu and Spopovich did it with some kind of magic siphon device. Babidi even used his magic to collect ambient energy to revive Buu from Majin Vegeta and SS2 Goku. Yakkon did it and only failed because of being overloaded, something Mjolnir isn't going to do based on what it has absorbed. And Mjolnir can detect all kinds of energy, even energy that has been cloaked or is other indetectable. Mjolnir is a better energy tracker than anything shown in DBZ, period. And it's a better energy absorber than anything shown in DBZ, period. Its track record speaks for it self.

And basically, this is more of the whole "DBZ guys are uber because they're uber" argument. None of those videos you posted show anything close to being beyond what Thor has shown to react to, much less people faster than him (lol at FLASH being unable to tag DBZ characters). And here's one thing you don't seem to understand.

Thor doesn't need to use his own eyes/senses to detect his target when Mjolnir can do it for him. Mjolnir has tracked people across entire phucking dimensions, picked out people according to their energy signature, and have seen through Mephisto's own illusions.

And Thor's own senses have enabled him to tag things at FTL speeds. What you're doing here is dismissing his ability to tag a DBZ character because Thor doesn't fight like them. Okay? That doesn't take away his ability to be able to hit things of his own accord without using Mjolnir's tracking abilities.

Essentially the only real debatable advantage of Vegeta/Cell/Random DBZ character's here is speed, and honestly, based on Thor's abilities here and everything he brings to the table at large, it just isn't enough of an advantage to beat him.

What are you talking about? I'm not saying Thor is slow, I know he isnt slow but the feats that you showed me were moot. The only chance Thor has in this fight is energy drain and again, you havent showed me ANYTHING proving that Thor can see someone that is moving so fast that he completely disappeared from the scene. I know of the people Thor fought, hell, I know of the people that Hulk, Solomon Grundy, Konvikt, Cheetah, Darkseid, Magneto, and Kalibak fought but that doesnt mean that they can react or even TOUCH a DBZ character.

Gladiator doesnt use his combat speed like a DBZ character does (and yes, Gladiator is my favorite character and I wouldnt even give him these rights), Captain Marvel doesnt use combat speed the way DBZ character does, etc... the list goes on, so you using Thor tagging these people are irrelevant. How about you show me Thor using his Hammer to home in on someone that is moving at DBZ level of combat. You showed me him doing this to a brick level character. How about this, show me Thor being able to withstand a solar flare to the eyes. What can he do then? He would be open for an attack.

You know that incident that Thor recently went through with Iron Patriot and his crew. The Nuclear blast almost took everything out of him. Goku, as a child TANKED a nuclear blast and was still at a hundred percent. You know that click that was with iron patriot that Koed Thor, you do know that Goku during his teen years would beat them in a couple of panels right? I'm referring to Goku that fought picollo junior during the dragon ball era.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
anime right? well, in wolverine and the x-men, quicksilver was going woooshhh! and no one could see him. guess he was going light speed right?

The anime is just as cannon as the manga since the writer approved of it and it was written DIRECTLY from the book. He was actually SHOCKED that they made the anime just like the way he was trying to represent it in the manga.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thor has more control over cell's energy then cell does.

You cant use what happened to Goku as evidence to Cell.

kamahamaha isn't lightspeed so......

and goku's dodging thing is indeed very fast, but let's not tack on the title of lightspeed so easily k.

burter's only speed feat was catching the dragonball vegeta threw before anyone realized he even moved,
but if you have ever thrown something against a wall and heard an echo, you realize how fast sound (are not so fast). burter could have been going 800 - 1000 mph and accomplished the same thing

Originally posted by psycho gundam
kamahamaha isn't lightspeed so......

and goku's dodging thing is indeed very fast, but let's not tack on the title of lightspeed so easily k.

burter's only speed feat was catching the dragonball vegeta threw before anyone realized he even moved,
but if you have ever thrown something against a wall and heard an echo, you realize how fast sound (are not so fast). burter could have been going 800 - 1000 mph and accomplished the same thing

It seemed like light speed to me since Roshi shot one at the moon and it destroyed it almost instantly.

Its not that Goku is just dodging things, it is HOW he is dodging it and WHAT he is dodging that makes it impressive. The other thing that makes it more impressive is that Thor in his wet dreams couldnt do that with his most highest feat put on the table. Example; numerous of blast coming at goku and goku is slapping these said blast out of the air with just one hand. 😕

he can't hope to just slap antiforce

and thor can throw mjolnir faster than the fastest speed feat in dbz by factors

thor doesn't have to dodge anything ing these fights, just tank, absorb, and hammer toss

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he can't hope to just slap antiforce

and thor can throw mjolnir faster than the fastest speed feat in dbz by factors

thor doesn't have to dodge anything ing these fights, just tank, absorb, and hammer toss

Just like he tanked that ass whippin he recently got from Iron patriot and his crew. Everything that they did to him, someone like Nappa could do worse since we have on panel showing of Nappa strength wise punching through planes like it was paper and we have Nappa conjuring atomic bombs with just the flick of his finger. Hell, Nappa shot a atomic bomb out of his eyes with ease and destroyed the entire area around him. Thor isnt tanking SH**. He has great durability, especially if we use his high showing but there is too much that a dbz character can do in this fight.

How is Thor going to hammer toss Cell when he cant even see him? Again, show me Thor hammer homing in on someone that is using super speed, especially speed in the fashion of a DBZ character. Thor isnt this uber character that you are presenting him out to be, especially with his recent showings.

Again, Iron Patriot and his crew would fall to this Goku.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fGdq5W499c

They wouldnt stand a chance.

low showings

vector would solo goku using just his showings against hulk, not even his powered up version

Originally posted by carver9
Just like he tanked that ass whippin he recently got from Iron patriot and his crew. Everything that they did to him, someone like Nappa could do worse since we have on panel showing of Nappa strength wise punching through planes like it was paper and we have Nappa conjuring atomic bombs with just the flick of his finger. Hell, Nappa shot a atomic bomb out of his eyes with ease and destroyed the entire area around him. Thor isnt tanking SH**. He has great durability, especially if we use his high showing but there is too much that a dbz character can do in this fight.

How is Thor going to hammer toss Cell when he cant even see him? Again, show me Thor hammer homing in on someone that is using super speed, especially speed in the fashion of a DBZ character. Thor isnt this uber character that you are presenting him out to be, especially with his recent showings.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
low showings

vector would solo goku using just his showing against hulk, not even his powered up version

LOL, so using his showing with Hulk, that makes you think he could solo Goku; LOL. I guess since Hulk has fought Gladiator, Hyperion, etc... he could hang with DBZ characters.

Everything is thrown out the window as a low showing huh? What about the time Thor hammer collided with another hammer creating a nuclear type blast which again took the fight out of him; is that a low showing as well?

Show me Thor hammer homing in on someone that is moving as fast as Goku or any other Z fighter.