The Walking Dead

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bout time the prison is behind them. They were far too comfy there for the. Out part. Loved the back and forth between the Governor and Rick. Both men could be the hero and the villain. Governor chooses in the end to be the monster and give into the Hyde persona. Really great character. I was surprised he beat the utter shit out of Rick also.

Seriously, what in the hell did you watch?

Rick was willing to let the past go (which is considerable) so they could all live in peace and Brian insisted it wouldn't work, then murdered Hershel to force Rick's hand into a fight cos he saw Rick's words were breaking down some his his crews resolve to fight. Brian was the clear villain from start to finish.

Maybe you should watch it again?

Originally posted by Robtard
Seriously, what in the hell did you watch?

Rick was willing to let the past go (which is considerable) so they could all live in peace and Brian insisted it wouldn't work, then murdered Hershel to force Rick's hand into a fight cos he saw Rick's words were breaking down some his his crews resolve to fight. Brian was the clear villain from start to finish.

Maybe you should watch it again?

Trying to spare them and let them walk away shows he isn't completely evil. There is nobility in him its just the Hyde persona won out in the end again. Again, you're quite slow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he gave into his Hyde persona who craves power in the moment. He tried to leave the camp when he realized this urge coming back on. He had a great internal conflict and lied to himself most of all. He tried convincing himself he was doing all of this for the greater good. Unlike you I grasped it. You're a simple man who doesn't understand she nuances of the Governor.

Trying to spare them and let them walk away shows he isn't completely evil. There is nobility in him its just the Hyde persona won out in the end again. Again, you're quite slow.

😂 You're pretty thick.

By the time he did his power-throw and killed his way to the top, the 'good' Brian was no longer there; that was well before the final fight. Unless you think murder is an act of kindness?

Because he didn't want to appear like a monster to his new group, he rules by being the wolf in sheep's clothing. not because he actually gave a single wet shit about Rick and crew. Once Rick outplayed him, he forced a fight.

Originally posted by Robtard
😂 You're pretty thick.

By the time he did his power-throw and killed his way to the top, the 'good' Brian was no longer there; that was well before the final fight. Unless you think murder is an act of kindness?

Because he didn't want to appear like a monster to his new group, he rules by being the wolf in sheep's clothing. not because he actually gave a single wet shit about Rick and crew. Once Rick outplayed him, he forced a fight.

He defied Rick in the end and he's a power hungry man at his core in this new world. That is who he is but there is an internal struggle inside the man. Rick didn't outplay him at all. Rick ended up getting his ass kicked, losing his baby, and the prison after he watched Herschel die.

Way to outplay him. You're the worst.

Again, the governor isn't 100 percent evil. This isn't a comic book character you nerd.

Shame that it's not, the comic book version of the Governor is far more compelling than this lousy, muddled and nonsensical version they have had in the show.

Full disclosure, I've not watched this season and I don't plan to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he was still in there somewhat as evidenced by his I will let Michonne walk away if they abandon the prison despite her blinding him and killing his zombie daughter.

He defied Rick in the end and he's a power hungry man at his core in this new world. That is who he is but there is an internal struggle inside the man. Rick didn't outplay him at all. Rick ended up getting his ass kicked, losing his baby, and the prison after he watched Herschel die.

Way to outplay him. You're the worst.

Again, the governor isn't 100 percent evil. This isn't a comic book character you nerd.

Not because of any kindness. She was a pawn in his bigger scheme.

Incorrect, Rick did outplay him. Brian expected two things. 1) Rick and crew abandon the prison, which means Brian appears as the benevolent hero who gave his people safety without a bloodbath happening. 2) Rick starts a fight and his inferior forces lose and Brian takes over the prison just the same.

What happened, Rick started talking Brian's own crew out of their will to fight with his "we can all get along" speech, which forced Brian to do what he didn't want to do, be the monster in front of his people. It was the same in Woodbury for the most part, Brian cares about appearances.

Brian ended up with a sword through his chest, no prison, no woman and no group to lead. Outplayed, just deal with it.

Brian's a megalomaniac in the show, look it up, okay. You thinking Rick could have been the villain in that scene is laughably sad. 😂 <--- me laughing at that/you

Originally posted by BackFire
Shame that it's not, the comic book version of the Governor is far more compelling than this lousy, muddled and nonsensical version they have had in the show.

Full disclosure, I've not watched this season and I don't plan to.

Originally posted by BackFire
Shame that it's not, the comic book version of the Governor is far more compelling than this lousy, muddled and nonsensical version they have had in the show.

Full disclosure, I've not watched this season and I don't plan to.

So......when are we gettin Negan

What makes you think you deserve Negan?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was surprised he beat the utter shit out of Rick also.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah.. With what the Governor went through or had to go through as a survivalist (like after Woodbury), I guess he eventually became stronger than Rick as a result. Rick may have become softer after awhile compared to before because of the peace of mind he found while living in the prison.

If it was bloodlusted Rick back when right after Lori died though, the Governor might've had more trouble against him there 😂 (keyword being might).

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have to factor in the sheer size advantage the Governor has on Rick. That's why I think he won. I don't think Rick lost due to being soft.

* i was surprised the Governor had the upperhand... considering the circumstances ---

- the Governor was shot in the arm, so his punches should've been weaker... but he was focused in getting the job done on that day...

- Rick was shot in the leg, but he still has a damaged wrist with his skirmish with Tyreese... plus he was obviously tired mentally and emotionally... it shows when he sacrificed his pigs, his parenthood over Carl, the pressure Tyreese gave him in finding the killer of Karen & David, his abandonment of Carol, the revelation to Tyreese that Carol was the killer... and he just witnessed Hershel got killed... Hershel was his closest friend and adviser since Season 3, he was his conscience... bloodlusted Rick will beat the hell out of the Governor, as was his quarrel with Tyreese (although Tyreese is the one who's emotional on that time and in no position to fight hand-to-hand)... one thing the Governor got is, he fights dirty, see his skirmish with Merle...

* it was just satisfying to see Hershel smile before his death... Hershel proposed to the Governor that if he wants the prison, they can live together in peace, and even without talking to Rick, Rick said the exact same banana to the Governor in their confrontation... no words, but Hershel was just as satistfied hearing those words from Rick as if he (Hershel) was the one talking... it means tormented as he is, Rick still listens to Hershel's advices... that's what makes me satisfied of Hershel's death... no words but smile, but the good works he did (and advices) speaks for him... and he just spurted out one of the best quotes in the series ---

"You walk outside, you risk your life. You take a drink of water, you risk your life. Nowadays you breath and you risk your life. You don't have a choice. The only thing you can choose is what you're risking it for."
- Hershel Greene

Originally posted by Galan007

Glad it was confirmed, though. I was really hoping they wouldn't recycle the Governor. 👆

It was only confirmed in the weekly good-bye to those we lost segment. I don't think Kirkman or anyone else openly said he's dead. I'm not saying that means he's still alive, I just felt like that was supposed to be a trick or something to keep us wondering. I hope he's dead too to be honest.

The Governor (Brian) was physically very strong actually, at-least in the TV show.

Remember what he did to Merle? That should silence any surprise in relation to how he gave Rick a beating.

B/W I didn't like the way Alisha was taken out. She was likable and had potential. Damn.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Governor (Brian) was physically very strong actually, at-least in the TV show.

Remember what he did to Merle? That should silence any surprise in relation to how he gave Rick a beating.

B/W I didn't like the way Alisha was taken out. She was likable and had potential. Damn.

Which one is Alisha?

The soldier chick that was shot by those little girls when she and someone else was about to take out Tyreese.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The soldier chick that was shot by those little girls when she and someone else was about to take out Tyreese.

Oh the lesbian chick. Lesbians don't deserve happiness in the apocalypse!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Governor (Brian) was physically very strong actually, at-least in the TV show.

Remember what he did to Merle? That should silence any surprise in relation to how he gave Rick a beating.

The Guv was beastly from a physical standpoint.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
B/W I didn't like the way Alisha was taken out. She was likable and had potential.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have to factor in the sheer size advantage the Governor has on Rick. That's why I think he won. I don't think Rick lost due to being soft.

Governor has like five inches on Rick, so yeah.

Originally posted by BackFire
Shame that it's not, the comic book version of the Governor is far more compelling than this lousy, muddled and nonsensical version they have had in the show.

Full disclosure, I've not watched this season and I don't plan to.

Trollin Really, TV Guvnah is better than comic book Guvnah by far. This season really gave him some much needed depth and limited depravity. To be quite frank, if comic book Governor had reared his head, the show would suffer because he is so popular with viewers at the moment.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
It was only confirmed in the weekly good-bye to those we lost segment. I don't think Kirkman or anyone else openly said he's dead. I'm not saying that means he's still alive, I just felt like that was supposed to be a trick or something to keep us wondering. I hope he's dead too to be honest.

Kirkman was sitting on the couch, so if he opted to not say anything and let everyone including the show host think the governor is dead, he is the biggest ass alive.

Also, Andrew Lincoln and David Morrissey decided to not use stunt doubles for the brawl nor pads and just went all out.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Trollin Really, TV Guvnah is better than comic book Guvnah by far. This season really gave him some much needed depth and limited depravity. To be quite frank, if comic book Governor had reared his head, the show would suffer because he is so popular with viewers at the moment.

Don't agree at all. His depravity was already too limited and hurt his character in the show. As I said, made him feel muddled and inconsistent. I don't think he ever should have been a villain with a lot of shades of gray.

His veiled but brutal nature and the unimaginable depths of his evil is really the key to what made the prison arc in the comics so incredible. Also they really botched the fued between him and Michonne in the show, which was one of the highlights of the entire comics run, as a consequence of his villain decay.

Hrm, I agree on the Michonne feud, but I still think Comic Governor would have been too raw for TV.