Originally posted by Epicurus
And that so-called proof is completely negated by the books themselves, where it is outright stated by the head of his orphanage that he was a strange baby that never cried. Plus, I doubt he ate onions. Though I was talking strictly about on-screen instances.
It's canon bro. I found it on the internet.
He sweats in an arc. Weak gravity.
Originally posted by RobtardAnyone dead meant war unless you think Rick would let me off people just don't touch my damn Hershel. It is a logical assumption. He had two prisoners. He chose Hershel
Your inability to follow a conversation is hilarious. Hershel dead = certain war(as seen). Michonne dead = maybe/maybe not, it's a guess.Or Rick a villain, according to your man crush driven fan-fiction and how desperately you need to elevate Brian to whatever pedestal you've built 🙂
Do you think I actually care that you hate Rick cos he beat your man crush Brian twice in as many seasons? Just characters in a show, silly clown.
Your tears > all tears 🙂
Had he made different choices he could have been but he wasn't.
When did I say I hated Rick ? He did defeat the attempted siege in season 3. In season four he was stopped mainly due to Ricks superior group. He crushed Rick one on one. Maker even said he was going to die.
One on one Brian >>Rick.
Rick sobbed like a woman. 😂
Originally posted by Stealth MooseRick made a stupid decision. He cost Hershel his life and ended up losing the prison in utter chaos when they had the option to leave. Utter stupidity. Only a moron would applaud his foolishness.
Erm no, it showed clearly that Rick had integrity while the Governor had nothing but lies and his urge to control the situation. Rick turned his ploy inside out, and in the end, stalled enough time for both his people to get into position and for the Walkers to help create chaos for the army outside of the fences.Rick may have lost Herschel, lost the H2H, and lost his daughter and home, but morally, he had the high ground. It took serious balls to go down to that fence with his left-belted revolver against a tank and the Governor's army.
So crying makes a guy weak? Are you raised in some macho mancave out in the boonies? (This might explain a bit actually)
Badasses who cry in works of fiction and IRL include:
[list][*] Beowulf
[*] Aragorn
[*] Maximus (Gladiator)
[*] Éomer
[*] Riddick
[*] Bond (Skyfall)
[*] Théoden
[*] John McClane
[*] Spock
[*] Nathan Algran
[*] Everyone in Saving Private Ryan
[*] John Preston
[*] Magneto/Xavier
[*] Ulysses S. Grant[/list]When you can demonstrate how all those people failed your high expectations and then tell me more about this awesome Governor which we didn't see on TV, we'll be right here waiting.
Crying in the fashion he did made him weak after he got his ass handed to him. Crying itself doesn't but he sobbed like a woman after he was beaten like a woman.
Originally posted by dyajeepI am just calling it how I see it. Rick made a stupid decision which cost him his child, the prison, and his self respect since he took one helluva an asskicking after he landed the first blow.
* you just did NOT say this... the man lost his child, dude... you're a cold-hearted person if you did not cry in that kind of situation... ok, Season 3 Episode 8, what happened when Michonne killed Governor's child? dude, even the Governor got more heart than you...* stop the man-crush on Governor, dude... he is/was the villain, end of the story...
Governor made the hard decisions due to keep people safe. Quit being soft.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rick made a stupid decision. He cost Hershel his life and ended up losing the prison in utter chaos when they had the option to leave. Utter stupidity. Only a moron would applaud his foolishness.Crying in the fashion he did made him weak after he got his ass handed to him. Crying itself doesn't but he sobbed like a woman after he was beaten like a woman.
What better decision could he have made? Leave for the Governor and let his child and followers die in the wastelands, with Walkers nearby? Pucker up and scoot closer to the fence so the Governor could penetrate better? I love your historian fallacy style viewpoint. You should offer criticism in history textbooks so as to enlighten the people within about their lack of foresight and planning.
Rick has been on burnout since his wife died, on top of the stress of leading the group for about nine-ten months. He is just recovering from the emotional breakdown of all that and they lost a lot of people in the infection sub-plot, and Carol, a close friend, had to be dismissed because she's kind of a cold, pragmatic killer.
It's understandable that he cries. Your assertion that he's weak ignores context and just comes off looking stupid.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseLeave with his family intact and no lives lost. He lost his kid, Hershel along with others in his group, his face was pummeled and he lost the prison. So you're saying he did the right thing despite the outcome being worse for him than leaving while organized and altogether.
What better decision could he have made? Leave for the Governor and let his child and followers die in the wastelands, with Walkers nearby? Pucker up and scoot closer to the fence so the Governor could penetrate better? I love your historian fallacy style viewpoint. You should offer criticism in history textbooks so as to enlighten the people within about their lack of foresight and planning.Rick has been on burnout since his wife died, on top of the stress of leading the group for about nine-ten months. He is just recovering from the emotional breakdown of all that and they lost a lot of people in the infection sub-plot, and Carol, a close friend, had to be dismissed because she's kind of a cold, pragmatic killer.
It's understandable that he cries. Your assertion that he's weak ignores context and just comes off looking stupid.
The guy could have avoided the entire situation had he been smarter. Standing his ground was idiotic in this scenario. The only reason I can stomach his tears is for his regret at the stupidest decision of his life.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anyone dead meant war unless you think Rick would let me off people just don't touch my damn Hershel. It is a logical assumption. He had two prisoners. He chose HershelHad he made different choices he could have been but he wasn't.
When did I say I hated Rick ? He did defeat the attempted siege in season 3. In season four he was stopped mainly due to Ricks superior group. He crushed Rick one on one. Maker even said he was going to die.
One on one Brian >>Rick.
Rick sobbed like a woman. 😂
We don't go with your fan fiction.
Again, we don't go with your fan fiction of "What if Rick made choices that made him a villain." Go with the show.
You tend to hate any character(s) that outplay, defeat, outsmart etc your man crushes. Since Rick outplayed Brian twice now...
Who cares that Brian got the upper hand in a fist fight over Rick when there was chaos going on around them? Only you would use this as the end-all measuring stick.
Rick cried like Van Zan, correct 🙂
Considering he just saw his friend/mentor murdered, his home destroyed, his son back in danger and believes his baby to be dead, Rick crying makes him out to be human and more realistic as a character finding himself in an extreme situation. It would have been stupid if Rick didn't show any emotions. Only you would see Rick crying as some negative and it makes you come off as a complete dullard.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Leave with his family intact and no lives lost. He lost his kid, Hershel along with others in his group, his face was pummeled and he lost the prison. So you're saying he did the right thing despite the outcome being worse for him than leaving while organized and altogether.The guy could have avoided the entire situation had he been smarter. Standing his ground was idiotic in this scenario. The only reason I can stomach his tears is for his regret at the stupidest decision of his life.
Are you that dense? He had no choice but to stand his ground. Did you not hear him say as much? They couldn't leave. They had sick and infirm, no place to go, no time to pack enough supplies, and children/baby to worry about. Plus the guy giving him this ultimatum is notorious for killing both of their people in cold blood. There's no reason to believe he would honor the deal even if Rick and co. just politely left. Which again, would probably compromise the entire group anyways.
Meanwhile, diplomacy might yield something with the Governor's followers, if not the man himself. That was the only chance he had. Seriously, where were they going to go?
Clearly, Nebraska.
Originally posted by Robtard
We don't go with your fan fiction.Again, we don't go with your fan fiction of "What if Rick made choices that made him a villain." Go with the show.
You tend to hate any character(s) that outplay, defeat, outsmart etc your man crushes. Since Rick outplayed Brian twice now...
Who cares that Brian got the upper hand in a fist fight over Rick when there was chaos going on around them? Only you would use this as the end-all measuring stick.
Rick cried like Van Zan, correct 🙂
Considering he just saw his friend/mentor murdered, his home destroyed, his son back in danger and believes his baby to be dead, Rick crying makes him out to be human and more realistic as a character finding himself in an extreme situation. It would have been stupid if Rick didn't show any emotions. Only you would see Rick crying as some negative and it makes you come off as a complete dullard.
Taking place somewhere in quanchi's mind:
Originally posted by Stealth MooseHe had every bit of choice. Hershel's life was in the balance. Brian gave him the choice. You acting as if Brian didn't give him a choice is a lie. You're delusional. Life is about choices and he had one here. He chose to make a plea despite the harshness of Brian's words.
Are you that dense? He [b]had no choice but to stand his ground. Did you not hear him say as much? They couldn't leave. They had sick and infirm, no place to go, no time to pack enough supplies, and children/baby to worry about. Plus the guy giving him this ultimatum is notorious for killing both of their people in cold blood. There's no reason to believe he would honor the deal even if Rick and co. just politely left. Which again, would probably compromise the entire group anyways.Meanwhile, diplomacy might yield something with the Governor's followers, if not the man himself. That was the only chance he had. Seriously, where were they going to go?
[/B]
We see Brian maintain he would honor the deal despite what he did in the past. Rick still had sick kids, lost his child, Hershel, everyone left in a panic and not organized.
They still have to go find some place now with ever scattered. Are you dense ? Same outcome but worse with loves lost and his own child gone. Cry Rick as you did this. I have no pity for him here. He erred in judgment and got his ass kicked in the process.
Originally posted by RobtardI did go with the show. Rick was not a villain and never did I say he was. You're colossally simple.
We don't go with your fan fiction.Again, we don't go with your fan fiction of "What if Rick made choices that made him a villain." Go with the show.
You tend to hate any character(s) that outplay, defeat, outsmart etc your man crushes. Since Rick outplayed Brian twice now...
Who cares that Brian got the upper hand in a fist fight over Rick when there was chaos going on around them? Only you would use this as the end-all measuring stick.
Rick cried like Van Zan, correct 🙂
Considering he just saw his friend/mentor murdered, his home destroyed, his son back in danger and believes his baby to be dead, Rick crying makes him out to be human and more realistic as a character finding himself in an extreme situation. It would have been stupid if Rick didn't show any emotions. Only you would see Rick crying as some negative and it makes you come off as a complete dullard.
I liked Rick since the beginning but he screwed up here. I am objective as they come and won't just side with a character who makes stupid choices.
Zan cared about saving the world and didn't make the foolish decisions Rick made. Zan would beat the utter shit out of Rick as well. Rick deserves to cry since he could have avoided the entire fight. Sob your eyes out Rick you caused this to happen.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am just calling it how I see it.
* yep, that's right... you call it how YOU see it...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Governor made the hard decisions due to keep people safe. Quit being soft.
* making hard decisions does not make the Governor a hero... except only in your eyes...
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you're saying he did the right thing despite the outcome being worse for him than leaving while organized and altogether.
* the outcome was worse for Rick? what?! compared to the Governor? he was stabbed by Michonne and was (impliedly) shot dead by his lover Lilly... clearly, the Governor lost EVERYTHING including his own life... he does not even have any honor, dignity or any positive traits in that mid-season finale except being a cold-hearted, power-hungry warfreak...
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see Brian maintain he would honor the deal despite what he did in the past. Rick still had sick kids, lost his child, Hershel, everyone left in a panic and not organized.
* you're delusional... the Governor double-crossed Andrea, Milton, Merle and even his entire army in the Season 3 finale... and yet you still believe that he would "honor" the deal? hell, "the Govenor" and "honor" should not be in one sentence... the Governor is the villain... deal with it...
Originally posted by quanchi112
I did go with the show. Rick was not a villain and never did I say he was. You're colossally simple.
* you DID say he could be... and that's stupid...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bout time the prison is behind them. They were far too comfy there for the. Out part. Loved the back and forth between the Governor and Rick. Both men could be the hero and the villain. Governor chooses in the end to be the monster and give into the Hyde persona. Really great character. I was surprised he beat the utter shit out of Rick also.
* you said it, so go and deal with it too...
Originally posted by quanchi112
He had every bit of choice.
No.
Hershel's life was in the balance.
As was Michonne.
Brian gave him the choice. You acting as if Brian didn't give him a choice is a lie. You're delusional. Life is about choices and he had one here. He chose to make a plea despite the harshness of Brian's words.
So if someone pushed you up against a wall and held a knife to your throat and said "Put out or I'll scar your face and maybe steal your wallet too", you'd say they had a real choice, huh?
Good to know that in Quan-Land, being put in a position to choose between evil and evil, one always has a choice and could have done better, so stop crying baby.
We see Brian maintain he would honor the deal despite what he did in the past.
LOLNOPE. Brian has a long long history of betraying or attempting to betray people, including Rick's group. When they met for peaceful negotiations, the Governor actually had a gun rigged to kill Rick. He killed Andrea, his best friend, citizens of Woodbury for refusing to pursue the battle after their initial rout, and killed Martinez and that nice guy at the new camp for Whatever Reason Here.
The Governor has zero honor, and you need to stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking if you believe this is true.
Rick still had sick kids, lost his child, Hershel, everyone left in a panic and not organized.
All of which is because of the Governor's dick move to hold two of Rick's people hostage and threaten them with expulsion which would mean the death of the weak in the group and constant movement, or battle which could result in massive death on both sides. Rick tried to stop any hostilities, something you keep ignoring.
They still have to go find some place now with ever scattered. Are you dense ? Same outcome but worse with loves lost and his own child gone.
Nothing we've seen indicates the Governor would have given them any leniency if they complied. His history is littered with double crossing, cold blooded murder, and hatred for Michonne and Rick. Your assertion that everything would be hunky dory if Rick had just bent over is unfounded. In any case, the Walkers descended upon the group outside before negotiations were concluded, so the "until sundown" time span meant nothing; both groups would have to contend with a growing herd.
Cry Rick as you did this. I have no pity for him here. He erred in judgment and got his ass kicked in the process.
You are hilarious. I can't believe your statements are real. It's almost like.... like you're...
Originally posted by quanchi112
I did go with the show. Rick was not a villain and never did I say he was. You're colossally simple.I liked Rick since the beginning but he screwed up here. I am objective as they come and won't just side with a character who makes stupid choices.
Zan cared about saving the world and didn't make the foolish decisions Rick made. Zan would beat the utter shit out of Rick as well. Rick deserves to cry since he could have avoided the entire fight.
Sob your eyes out Rick you caused this to happen.
You clearly implied Rick could have been the one that was the villain in the Rick/Brian conversation, you're just dancing again cos you finally realized it was a dense comment. Be a man.
You've clearly got a man-crush on Brian and why you're crying and making increasingly stupid comments like "RICK CRIED, HE'S WEAK!!!1" cos Rick outplayed Brian not once, but twice.
Repeat: Zan didn't listen to his own great advice and Quinn's good advice, which got the majority of his group killed, Quinn's people killed and the castle sacked and he cried after since he realized his error. That also makes him human, but it''s funny you won't shit on his for crying. But this is a TWD thread; not another thread for you to swing off Van Zan's nuts.
Comments like that just make you look more and more like an imbecile who can''t follow basic context 🙂 Keep it up?
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Shane would have beaten governor and his ragtag army single handedlyNot get beaten like a babyback ***** and then grow a vagina to cry like an infant...
Rick soft as hell
Your manliness is inspiring to all the other guys who are threatened by things as complex as emotions.