Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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-Yes, far superior. Thor battled Zeus for like 6 straight months. What's the longest Vegeta ever stayed in prolonged combat with another being without rest? The Hyperbolic Time Chamber? No, because Trunks and Vegeta rested in between bouts. Also, every ki blast Vegeta throws comes from his own energy reserves. He WILL get tired before long, that much is fact and indisputable if you look at DBZ's entire history. Thor, on the other hand, doesn't have to tap into his own energies to fire energy attacks and the like. He can outlast Vegeta here.
-Why wouldn't he try to avoid taking as much damage as possible? There's no PIS here, and even with CIS, Thor's defenses with Mjolnir are insane. Again, Thor can outlast Vegeta by far.
-He will based on what he has absorbed. Once again, Vegeta's going to be burning himself out using his most powerful attacks, wheras Thor can just use Mjolnir to drain Vegeta. Mjolnir phucks up most DBZ character's fighting strategies (ie. power up to maximum and shoot a big blast of energy)
-Null Bomb. Nuff said.
-Thor's weather manipulation is enough to hinder the Hulk with rain alone. Vegeta, at the very least, will be affected adversely on some level. Thor sets the pace of this match.
-Because Vegeta can't Instant Transmission, that's why. Mjolnir doesn't tire or lose energy. Vegeta does.
-Because Frieza stated he could survive in space and Goku couldn't. Considering his history with Saiyans, I'm inclined to agree with him. Goku has also almost drowned before, so yes, I'm pretty sure they all have to breathe.
-Proof that Vegeta can dump Thor in an alternate dimension/blast him to the Sun?
-Yes, Thor is FAR more versatile. Vegeta can punch, kick, fly, move fast, and use energy blasts. Thor can do so much more it's not even funny.
Originally posted by Starscream MI see it more like this
I think these points are settled:- thor is more durable
- thor has more stamina
- vegeta is faster
- vegeta is more skilled
-Their durability can be debateable
-Thor has more stamina
-Thor is faster
-Vegeta has faster combat speed
-Vegeta is more skilled
-Their strength is debateable.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
I see it more like this-Their durability can be debateable
-Thor has more stamina
-Thor is faster
-Vegeta has faster combat speed
-Vegeta is more skilled
-Their strength is debateable.
How is Durability Debatable when Vegeta get's cut/bruised, his bones can be broken, and his bones aren't nearly as tough as Thor's.
How is strength debatable? Has there ever even been a proper estimation of how Strong Thor is? As far i know, his strength is limitless.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
-Okay.
- He'd more than likely just tank his attacks for a while until he resorts to energy absorption. I doubt he'd do it out the bat. Too many instances of Thor tanking attacks.
- Not it was not hyperbole. A life bomb actually destroyed 1/5 of the Universe.- Thor's lightning is incredibly powerful. His severely hurt Beta Ray Bill with a bolt, kept a very amped Living Monolith at bay, stalemated Zeus' thunderbolts with his lightning, created bolts powerful enough to slay Ulik etc.
- Since when doesn't who do what?
- Scans/Video of what?
- When has Vegeta come back from another dimension under his own power without using some sort of gateway. I.e. when has he used teleportation etc.?
- Okay.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
-Sorry I thought you said durability.I responded to that.Yes thor does have more stamina then vegeta but my response was based on durability.
-But will he always absorb every hit or be stupid and try to tank it?I mean will he do that for every single attack,every single ki blast?But thor tands to fight like a brick so...
-I've never acctualy seen a DBZ character fall from using too much energy.They are usually panting afterwards but IIRC have never collapsed due to energy expensure.
-Not entirely sure what the null bomb is.Scans or telling of the story please.
-Rain slowing hulk?Scans please.I seriously doubt that the weather will have that much of an effect on vegeta.Mabye use it as cover or something but thor doesn't tend to fight like that,
-Vegeta has outrun heat seeking/tracking things before.I see no reason he can't do it again.Also since when can't he instant transmission?I remember them always being able to.
-Scans please.I'd be inclined to agree with freiza too.But I still want to see it.I know freiza can breath in space but IIRC sayains can too.Just want a scan/video.
-I never said vegeta could blast him into another dimension but I see no reason he couldn't throw him to the other side of the planet.Or something like that though.
-Okay.I'll give you that.But doesn't thor tend to fight like a brick?He won't be using all of his powers to his advantage.I see it more like this
-Their durability can be debateable
-Thor has more stamina
-Thor is faster
-Vegeta has faster combat speed
-Vegeta is more skilled
-Their strength is debateable.
-Even durability wise, Thor is Vegeta's superior. He's taken attacks from Odin, the Destroyer, Thanos, Celestials, etc. Adding in the defenses of Mjolnir make him quite capable against anything in Vegeta's arsenal.
-Without PIS? Yes. Even a CIS induced Thor won't tank attacks if he doesn't have to and his history shows more than enough feats to warrant him using Mjolnir to defend against every thing he can.
-DBZ characters have limits. After fighting for so long and using so many energy attacks, they begin to get tired and sluggish and more desperate. Their ki isn't unlimited. Hell, look at Super Saiyan 3 Goku. His body can't even sustain that transformation for too long. And in the Cell Saga, Vegeta was spent after the Final Flash, which took more than enough time for someone like Thor to interupt. Vegeta gets tired from using his energy attacks eventually, and Thor, on the other hand, can just use Mjolnir to defend as he remains fresh.
1/5 Universe destruction: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir135-ForcefieldAvengersAn.jpg
Mjolnir can take everything Vegeta can throw at him and still be fine.
-Rain making it nigh impossible for even Hulk to move: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk51.jpg
-DBZ characters can "after image" but most of them can not legitimately teleport like Goku can. Cell and Buu both learn the Instant Transmission technique later. Vegeta never displayed teleportation.
-I doubt I can find a specific showing of this, but its something that most agree on. If Saiyans can breathe in space, it's not nearly as long as someone like Thor can. Not to mention Goku has almost drowned several times; they need to breathe. Thor doesn't.
-Thor being tossed on the other side of the planet is debatable if its even possible for Vegeta to accomplish. Even so, Thor can teleport on his own. Vegeta's not BFRing Thor more effectively than Thor can BFR him.
-He uses his powers when the situation calls for them. He has more than enough showings to suggest he'll use his versatility when he needs to.
In any case, Thor's more durable and has more stamina, is fast enough for Vegeta to be unable to "speed blitz" him like some people think he would. Skill goes to Vegeta, but it's not enough for him to overcome the advantages Thor has with Mjolnir.
Originally posted by marwash22
So far, all we have really discussed is Thor playing defense... Question is, how in the monkey tailed phuck, is Vegeta gonna survive an offensive attack from Thor?
I don't see Thor one-shotting him, but Mjolnir alone provides the striking power Thor needs to harm Vegeta. Or he can make Vegeta kill himself.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankBut thor also need time to charge up thing like the godblast.And thor tends to fight like a brick so will he absorb or tank?
Why the hell not?The simple standard energy attacks in DBZ don't do much damage at all. When they go all rapid fire out of desperation, how often does such a barrage work? Vegeta's most powerful attacks, the attacks which win him fights or turn the tides to them, require time for him to charge and power-up. More than enough time for Thor to use Mjolnir. So Vegeta's "superior speed" means nothing if he needs to prepare several full seconds to summon the energy required to use such a blast.
And considering Thor blocks/defends against energy blasts all the time, I think history shows Thor's odds of defending against Vegeta's energy attacks are better than the odds of him being "too slow" to compensate.
Shit, even if Vegeta has the better energy output, it doesn't even matter if Thor can absorb any thing he throws at him, regardless of energy output.
Thor basically metagames DBZ characters.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBuu was just instant tranmissioning from planet to planet taking about 10 sec to blow them up.They showed him blow up like 5.He easily could have destroyed more.
Vegeta doesn't have more power output than Thor.Thor can absorb energy attacks from all directions. It doesn't matter how much faster Vegeta is.
When has Buu destroyed something on the level of a Solar System or the Galaxy?
Systematically destroying planets is something Terrax could do. Shit, give the Hulk the power of flight and he could do it.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
"Shattering the laws wich govern time and space..."
Would fall into reality manipulation imo.
Meh, just dialogue in regards to the vortex.
Similar dialogue has been used to describe Thor's actions in the past.
You can think it's reality manipulation if you want. As long as you admit it's a valid feat.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
But thor also need time to charge up thing like the godblast.And thor tends to fight like a brick so will he absorb or tank? Buu was just instant tranmissioning from planet to planet taking about 10 sec to blow them up.They showed him blow up like 5.He easily could have destroyed more.
Again, who said anything about the Godblast? He doesn't need the Godblast to beat Vegeta here, who conversely, needs the Big Bang or Final Flash to beat Thor. Standard lightning or energy blasts from Thor have been depicted as incredibly powerful, to say nothing of the Anti-Force or his geothermal blasts. Thor doesn't just "tank" energy blasts if he doesn't have to though, that's what most people are trying to tell you. Generally speaking, if people shoot a beam at Thor, he uses Mjolnir to block/absorb it. It's one of the main reasons why high end energy manipulators are at a disadvantage against Thor in forum fights.
Originally posted by marwash22Where is it stated he can?
Where is it stated that Thor can't catch bullets?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankBut how often does he actually fight FTL speeds?Not very often i'm guessing.Whereas vegeta does it all the time.Mabye not FTL but still very very fast.I even posted a video where goku(and he and vegeta are pretty much equal)and cell were fighting so fast you couldn't see them.
I didn't ask for you to tell me to go to Youtube. I asked you for proof of the things you're going out of your way to claim.This entire post of yours is basically telling me "Well, I have no concrete proof one way or the other, but it's obvious Vegeta is so much better, anyway." Most of the Thor camp is citing specific examples and posting scans if need be, while you can't even support your own argument and instead want to troll and call people clowns.
Thor has FTL reflexes with Mjolnir. It's on panel. Vegeta's speed isn't going to overwhelm Thor.
Originally posted by Starscream MThat is incredibly dumb.
ummm...by not getting hit? 😕
Vegeta's stamina is shit compared to Thor's, after all these energy attack you say will occur, Thor will be at full strength and Vegeta will be depleted. This is basically a waiting game for Thor, Vegeta has absolutely nothing to put Thor down and after his assault, Thor goes on the offensive and the prince of all Saiyan's will die.
