Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sure, but don't give me "negative belief" or "lack of belief" bullshit.
It's not bullshit, it's accurate. Of course there are lack of beliefs. There are topics where you can not have an opinion on, that you'd even deny that is insane, though fitting in a long line of confrontational and anti-atheist posts.
It is not a belief to not have an opinion.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is their non-belief in god absolute truth?
Their non-belief is as close to truth as I can imagine anything to be.
Is the subject matter of it absolute truth?
That question makes no sense, cause there is no subject matter they do not believe anything on that topic, for various reasons.
Originally posted by RascaduanokI would say so. Not that they are wrong in a moral sense, but that their children, up until a certain age, don't really believe or understand what god is supposed to be
Does that mean religious people are wrong to label their young children as Christian children, or muslim children, or whatever?
when i was a child i believe with all my heart that god was real which led me to put on a towel and try to fly.. i was about 5 or 6 yrs old, the whole time i fervently believed that if i had faith god would allow me to fly. i got it from my church class about what jesus told his disciples when he walked on water and calmed the storm..
now answer this do you think it can be dangerous to indoctrinate a child to the point he willingly puts himself in harms way?
Originally posted by King Castle
when i was a child i believe with all my heart that god was real which led me to put on a towel and try to fly.. i was about 5 or 6 yrs old, the whole time i fervently believed that if i had faith god would allow me to fly. i got it from my church class about what jesus told his disciples when he walked on water and calmed the storm..now answer this do you think it can be dangerous to indoctrinate a child to the point he willingly puts himself in harms way?
Dangerous for the child? Maybe. Dangerous for the gene pool? **** no.
Originally posted by Rascaduanok
Does that mean religious people are wrong to label their young children as Christian children, or muslim children, or whatever?
That's right. I've never refered to any of my kids as Christian.
I agree with Dawkins when he says "A child can't be a Catholic or a Muslim anymore than they can be a Democrat or a Republican.". They just lack the proper cognition to think like that.
Originally posted by Bardock42no he isnt. he is just doin his zen abstract double talk..
To be fair, we all know Shakya's making stuff up cause he's a troll...
but, i have an honest confusion how one view can be positive b/c it adds to a myth or idea.
while athiesm may not be a myth but it does also add to ones thinking and openness it can even be liberating allowing others to pursue things they may not have bn possible otherwise with outdated thinking.
hence, it adds and it can be positive
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, maybe he isn't. There's lots of atheists out there, and being people a lot of them say weird things.
no, its true, I was going to say something similar to that in the last post I made to him
atheists certainly aren't a race of super-geniuses
present company exculded, of course 😉
lol
EDIT: anyways, yes, I'll admit shakey seems to be looking for the way to compare atheism and religion such that neither are different from eachother, for reasons I can't fathom.
It does appear that, to him, making atheism and religion "the same" takes something away from atheism, but that argument is fatal to any religion. Which faith would honestly want to say there is no fundamental difference between belief and non-belief?
Originally posted by King Castle
what specifically is an athiest to you?
Generally anyone who doesn't believe in a personal God or gods. I generally include the "My god is the universe" people. However you can of course make a separation between strong atheists and weak atheists.
Which btw, may be what Shakya is confused about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism
If someone wants to post that for him, he has me blocked.
Originally posted by inimalist
no, its true, I was going to say something similar to that in the last post I made to himatheists certainly aren't a race of super-geniuses
present company exculded, of course 😉
Well, atheism is a necessary, not a sufficient condition of super-geniusness.