Twilight vs Aliens

Started by Robtard7 pages

Originally posted by marwash22
DDM?

Second hand information is very unreliable. The only things that change from book to film, is the way characters interact with each other, some of the personalities are a little off and the look isn't quite correct from how the characters are described in the books.

When it comes to powers/ abilities (which is what matters in these threads)... everything carries over, there's not one difference. So yeah, the exception is very much valid.

Dadudemon.

He mentioned how Edward's skin never cracked (and healed) during his fight with the vampire council, or whatever they're called. That would be a power/ability relating to a fight and it could potentially matter in one of these 'Vs fights'.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dadudemon.

He mentioned how Edward's skin never cracked (and healed) during his fight with the vampire council, or whatever they're called. That would be a power/ability relating to a fight and it could potentially matter in one of these 'Vs fights'.

I don't think he gave you the correct context... his skin didn't crack in the book because the altercation doesn't happen that way in the book. For the purposes of the movie, they expanded on a lot of the action in the book, but they didn't change they way powers/abilities work.

For instance, a lot of the chasing in New Moon, didn't happen in the book... but they didn't change the vampire's speed, they just needed a visual to show how fast the character's are, which is something they mentioned in the book, but couldn't visually depict.

So yeah, Ed's skin cracked in the movie, but that's not a change in power-set, it's just a visual depiction.

marwash22, the MVF Golden Rule is there for a reason. Onscreen feats only. If the movie is not out yet, then the match cannot be decided.

Adhere to the rule and quit your baiting.

Originally posted by marwash22
I don't think he gave you the correct context... his skin didn't crack in the book because the altercation doesn't happen that way in the book. For the purposes of the movie, they expanded on a lot of the action in the book, but they didn't change they way powers/abilities work.

For instance, a lot of the chasing in New Moon, didn't happen in the book... but they didn't change the vampire's speed, they just needed a visual to show how fast the character's are, which is something they mentioned in the book, but couldn't visually depict.

So yeah, Ed's skin cracked in the movie, but that's not a change in power-set, it's just a visual depiction.

Disagree. His skin cracking (or not) after being slammed onto a rock floor by a super-powerful being would be an indication of his durability; it not cracking in the book, being the more durable of the two versions.

Also, we see the healing factor directly in the film, another important factor in here.

Originally posted by Impediment
marwash22, the MVF Golden Rule is there for a reason. Onscreen feats only. If the movie is not out yet, then the match cannot be decided.
This is all I'm really trying to say.

Originally posted by Impediment
Adhere to the rule and quit your baiting.
I'm not baiting; I dropped it. Other people keep bringing it up and all I'm doing is trying to explain why the rule is flawed in the case of this particular series... something you did in the first part of your statement.

Originally posted by Robtard
Disagree. His skin cracking (or not) after being slammed onto a rock floor by a super-powerful being would be an indication of his durability; it not cracking in the book, being the more durable of the two versions.

Also, we see the healing factor directly in the film, another important factor in here

You're not understanding, or maybe I'm not being clear enough. His skin didn't crack in the book, because it didn't happen in the book. In the book, he never got slammed through the stairs or on the floor. There are other instances of the healing factor being mentioned in the book.

For Example: when James and Ed fight in the book, they explain how they heal after every blow... they don't show this in the movie because the pace of the fight is too fast, but it's still happening.

I hope you understand what I'm saying, if not, just believe what you want.

@ Marwash.

I, pretty sure I understand what you're saying; I'm saying your: 'books should be used in the chase of Twilight because they directly follow the movie' angle is faulty, as clearly there are differences between the books and the movie, specfically powers used in a fight (durabiliy and possibily the healing factor); ones that could potentially make Edward more or less powerful, going by movie-feats.

Does Edward's skin ever crack from a blow in any of the books?

Originally posted by Robtard
I, pretty sure I understand what you're saying; I'm saying your: 'books should be used in the chase of Twilight because they directly follow the movie' angle is faulty, as clearly there are differences between the books and the movie, specfically powers used in a fight (durabiliy and possibily the healing factor); ones that could potentially make Edward more or less powerful, going by movie-feats.
This is very frustrating, lol. You're not understanding. The differences do not concern powers/abilities. Every vamp in movies are exactly the same (power/ability-wise, this includes durability) as they are in the books. Where the movies differ from the books, is personality, appearance and on occasion, situation. The reason Edward's skin doesn't crack in the book, is because the fight never happens that way in the book... not because his durability is different.

Originally posted by Robtard
Does Edward's skin ever crack from a blow in any of the books?
Yep. I already gave you an example of it.

When James and Edward fight in the book, it is explained that they heal from their wounds (cuts to Edwards face) almost instantaneously. It's further explained that they needed to quickly burn James before he could heal from having his neck broken.

Originally posted by Robtard
Disagree. His skin cracking (or not) after being slammed onto a rock floor by a super-powerful being would be an indication of his durability; it not cracking in the book, being the more durable of the two versions.

Also, we see the healing factor directly in the film, another important factor in here.

You're correct. In book 2, chapter 21 Page 474, 475, and 476 it reads:

"...

'A first," he said to himself. "I wonder if she is immune to our other talents....Jane, dear?'

'No!' Edward snarled the word. Alice grabbed his arm with restraining hand. He shook her off.

Little Jane smiled up happily at Aro. 'Yes, Master?'

Edward truly snarling now, the sound ripping and tearing form him, glaring at Aro with baleful eyes. The room had gone still, everyone watching him with amazed disbelief, as if he were committing some embarrassing social faux pas. I saw Felix grin hopefully and move a step forward. Aro glanced at him once, and he froze in place, his grin turning into a sulky expression.

The he spoke to Jane, 'I was wondering, my dear one, if Bella is immune to you"

I could barely hear Aro over Edward's furious growls. He let go of me, moving to hide me from their view. Caius ghosted in our direction, with his entourage, to watch.

Jane turned toward us with a beatific smile.

'Don't!' Alice cried as Edward launched himself at the little girl.

Before I could react, before anyone could jump between them, before Aro's bodyguards could tense, Edward was on the ground.

No one had touched him, but he was on the stone floor writhing in obvious agony, while I stared in horror.

Jane was smiling only at him now, and it all clicked together. What Alice had said about formidable gifts, why everyone treated Jane with such deference, and why Edward had thrown himself in her path before she could do that to me.

'Stop!' I shrieked, my force echoing in the silence, jumping forward to put myself between them. But Alice threw her arms around me in an unbreakable grasp and ignored my struggles. No sound escaped Edward's lips as he cringed against the stones. It felt lik my head would explode from watching this.

'Jane,' Aro recalled her in a tranquil voice. She looked up quickly, still smiling with pleasure, her eyes questioning. As soon as Jane looked away, Edward was still.

Aro inclined his head toward me.

Jane turned her smile in my direction.

I didn't even meet her gaze. I watched Edward from the prison of Alice's arms, still struggling pointlessly.

'He's fine,' Alice whispered in a tight voice. As she spoke, he sat up, and then sprang lightly to his feet. His eyes met mine, and they were horror-struck. At first I thought the horror was for what he had just suffered. But then he looked quickly at Jane, and back to me--and his face relaxed into relief.

I looked at Jane, too, and she no longer smiled. She glared at me, her jaw clenched with the intensity of her focus. I shrank back, waiting for the pain.

Nothing happened.

Edward was by my side, again. He touched Alice's arm, and she surrendered me to him.

Aro started to laugh. 'Ha, ha, ha,' he chuckled. 'This is wonderful!'

Jane hissed in frustration, leaning forward like she was preparing to spring.

'Don't be put out, dear one,' Aro said in a comforting tone, placing a powder-light hand on her shoulder. 'She confounds us all.'

'Ha, ha, ha,' Aro chortled again. 'You're very brave, Edward, to endure in silence. I asked Jane to do that to me once--just out of curiosity. He shook his head in admiration. ..."

-Stephanie Meyer
Copyright 2006

Retyped straight from the book without permission.

Nowhere do we read in there that Edward got into a fight with Felix. No. Where.

Also, no where in the book does a Vampire's skin crack from a blow or blunt trauma. No. Where.

That should put to sleep any disagreements or questioning of what I stated. That's what happens when someone contradicts me: pwnage. lol!

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're correct. In book 2, chapter 21 Page 474, 475, and 476 it reads:

"...

'A first," he said to himself. "I wonder if she is immune to our other talents....Jane, dear?'

'No!' Edward snarled the word. Alice grabbed his arm with restraining hand. He shook her off.

Little Jane smiled up happily at Aro. 'Yes, Master?'

Edward truly snarling now, the sound ripping and tearing form him, glaring at Aro with baleful eyes. The room had gone still, everyone watching him with amazed disbelief, as if he were committing some embarrassing social faux pas. I saw Felix grin hopefully and move a step forward. Aro glanced at him once, and he froze in place, his grin turning into a sulky expression.

The he spoke to Jane, 'I was wondering, my dear one, if Bella is immune to you"

I could barely hear Aro over Edward's furious growls. He let go of me, moving to hide me from their view. Caius ghosted in our direction, with his entourage, to watch.

Jane turned toward us with a beatific smile.

'Don't!' Alice cried as Edward launched himself at the little girl.

Before I could react, before anyone could jump between them, before Aro's bodyguards could tense, Edward was on the ground.

No one had touched him, but he was on the stone floor writhing in obvious agony, while I stared in horror.

Jane was smiling only at him now, and it all clicked together. What Alice had said about formidable gifts, why everyone treated Jane with such deference, and why Edward had thrown himself in her path before she could do that to me.

'Stop!' I shrieked, my force echoing in the silence, jumping forward to put myself between them. But Alice threw her arms around me in an unbreakable grasp and ignored my struggles. No sound escaped Edward's lips as he cringed against the stones. It felt lik my head would explode from watching this.

'Jane,' Aro recalled her in a tranquil voice. She looked up quickly, still smiling with pleasure, her eyes questioning. As soon as Jane looked away, Edward was still.

Aro inclined his head toward me.

Jane turned her smile in my direction.

I didn't even meet her gaze. I watched Edward from the prison of Alice's arms, still struggling pointlessly.

'He's fine,' Alice whispered in a tight voice. As she spoke, he sat up, and then sprang lightly to his feet. His eyes met mine, and they were horror-struck. At first I thought the horror was for what he had just suffered. But then he looked quickly at Jane, and back to me--and his face relaxed into relief.

I looked at Jane, too, and she no longer smiled. She glared at me, her jaw clenched with the intensity of her focus. I shrank back, waiting for the pain.

Nothing happened.

Edward was by my side, again. He touched Alice's arm, and she surrendered me to him.

Aro started to laugh. 'Ha, ha, ha,' he chuckled. 'This is wonderful!'

Jane hissed in frustration, leaning forward like she was preparing to spring.

'Don't be put out, dear one,' Aro said in a comforting tone, placing a powder-light hand on her shoulder. 'She confounds us all.'

'Ha, ha, ha,' Aro chortled again. 'You're very brave, Edward, to endure in silence. I asked Jane to do that to me once--just out of curiosity. He shook his head in admiration. ..."

-Stephanie Meyer
Copyright 2006

Retyped straight from the book without permission.

Nowhere do we read in there that Edward got into a fight with Felix. No. Where.

Also, no where in the book does a Vampire's skin crack from a blow or blunt trauma. No. Where.

That should put to sleep any disagreements or questioning of what I stated. That's what happens when someone contradicts me: pwnage. lol!

but i didn't contradict you. I simply said, that the fight didn't happen in the book... and you just backed up my statement.

@ DDM,

you read and seemingly have a copy of the book. Wouldn't you agree that the powers are exactly the same in book and film?

Originally posted by Placidity

If you were expecting a smug contradiction here, you're not getting it.

the effort to point that out was enough for me 😉

@ DDM's post.

How in the **** do any of you read that? Writing style is horrible and uninteresting.

Originally posted by Robtard
@ DDM's post.

How in the **** do any of you read that? Writing style is horrible.

lulz. can't argue.

Originally posted by marwash22
but i didn't contradict you. I simply said, that the fight didn't happen in the book... and you just backed up my statement.

Oh really?

Let's see what you said....

Originally posted by marwash22
The reason Edward's skin doesn't crack in the book, is because the fight never happens that way in the book... not because his durability is different.

And you said it similar to that at least one other time before the above post.

(In a school-yard taunting voice) I-caught-you-baaaack-trackiiiiing. Neeeee naaars!

Originally posted by marwash22
@ DDM,

you read and seemingly have a copy of the book. Wouldn't you agree that the powers are exactly the same in book and film?

They are my wife's books, teehee. I just pulled it out of her end-table. I have read the books, though. Once is enough as I don't need to read a book more than once to remember stuff like that.

Anyway, yeah, their powers are the same, but I don't see why their powers, which is not what is being discussed (in the Robtard to DDM stuff). We were discussing durability which is not a power.

Originally posted by Robtard
@ DDM's post.

How in the **** do any of you read that? Writing style is horrible and uninteresting.

Truthfully, I ALMOST stopped reading the books completely about 2/3 the way into the first book. It was that bad. I'm one of those ones that has to see or read a shitty movie or book all the way through, if I started it. It's not that the story is bad, it's quite good, actually...the prose is just horrible.

so now you're gonna nitpick my statement? The very first time i discussed what happened in New Moon between Felix and Edward, i said the altercation didn't happen that way (meaning, the slamming through stair and to the ground stuff, didn't occur in the book). If you're gonna fault me for phrasing a statement wrong after i had to repeat it several times... ok, but don't wrongly interpret my statements or make it seem like I'm trying to backtrack. Go read everything i wrote and you'll see that i said the exact same thing you said.

And how is durability not apart of a vampire's power-set? That's like saying only offensive weapons are valid weapons. This is very tiring...

Durability is not a vampire power because all things have durability, it just varies in degrees. The only argument I could make to durability actually being a power is with someone like Colossus, who's mutant power is to literally become more durable.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Durability is not a vampire power because all things have durability, it just varies in degrees. The only argument I could make to durability actually being a power is with someone like Colossus, who's mutant power is to literally become more durable.

I think the word you're thinking of 'invulnerability.'

A character's durability, especially if he/she has a good amount of it could matter in a fight here. EG The Twilight vamps are more durable than McClane, though not by much.

Originally posted by marwash22
so now you're gonna nitpick my statement? The very first time i discussed what happened in New Moon between Felix and Edward, i said the altercation didn't happen that way (meaning, the slamming through stair and to the ground stuff, didn't occur in the book). If you're gonna fault me for phrasing a statement wrong after i had to repeat it several times... ok, but don't wrongly interpret my statements or make it seem like I'm trying to backtrack. Go read everything i wrote and you'll see that i said the exact same thing you said.

And how is durability not apart of a vampire's power-set? That's like saying only offensive weapons are valid weapons. This is very tiring...

I don't have to nitpick at all.

I don't have to wrongly interpret them, either.

and Xanatos already replied fer da rest.

Just fess up, man: you effed up. I fess up when I'm wrong. NOT admitting fault, however, does not save face or ego, it just makes you look worse.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think the word you're thinking of 'invulnerability.'

A character's durability, especially if he/she has a good amount of it could matter in a fight here. EG The Twilight vamps are more durable than McClane, though not by much.

I always took it to mean how hard it was to really put a dent in the character, to make them stagger and what not.

you guys are hilarious. So, Super strength, is a power... but inhuman durability isn't? lulz. So Superman's ability to get shot in the face without harm, doesn't count as a superpower? good to know.

@ DDM.

whatever you say.