Originally posted by Juk3n
thats exactly what happened , did you watch the video? OBVIOUSLY he wanted to caution the girl and she refused to stop..why ELSE would he have grabbed her in the first place?
So it's okay to assume blind negatives about the girl but we should not assume negatives about the cop.
You assume she refused to show her ID. You don't know that. Perhaps she did, or perhaps the cop is just as *******. Or perhaps it was something else entirely. All you can go on is what is seen in the video, and from what I see punching the girl was not necessary or smart.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because we are putting ourselves in the shoes of the arresting officer.
You may think that, but you aren't. You're putting yourself in completely different situations that would warrant a strong physical reaction. And you are implying that if you don't think that the cop was correct for punching the girl, then you are in favor of criminal anarchy.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because we are putting ourselves in the shoes of the arresting officer.
Ahhh, the good old "Well this is what I'D do" thing.
Guess what, you haven't got a damn clue what you'd do. It's very easy to talk about what you'd do in some sort of situation like that from your comfy house. It's also generally very different from what would actually happen in reality.
Originally posted by PeachOh but I have:
Actually, if you bother to actually read anything about this case, that is exactly what happened. The first girl did not step over to the police car immediately when asked, and the cop dragged her over - twice - and was holding her down by her neck.Also, probably nothing at all, because I've never once heard of someone getting even a warning of the "crosswalk is over there" sort for jaywalking.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012154761_rosenthal19m.html
Walsh had attempted to stop a 19-year-old friend of Rosenthal's, Marilyn Ellen Levias, for jaywalking, when Rosenthal intervened.
In a clash caught on videotape, Rosenthal shoved Walsh, who responded by punching her in the face.
Mhm....It's not like he was "HEY COME HERE YOU STUPID BLACK ***** MWAHAHAHAAHAAA" and went Rodney King on her.
Also, this:
Ms. Rosenthal and Officer Walsh have been in every major media report in the country since their Monday confrontation. At my request, the two met today just to see if we could calm down a growing volatile situation. This is the first steps toward reconciliation and healing," said James Kelly, president and CEO of the Urban League of Metropolitan Seattle.
According to Kelly, Rosenthal wanted to apologize directly to the officer and Walsh was accepting of her apology.
You think if the girl had a leg to stand on, she would have apologized? No. She would have gotten a shark of an attorney and sued the city.
Originally posted by PeachNah you're right, I woulda KO'd her ass.
Ahhh, the good old "Well this is what I'D do" thing.Guess what, you haven't got a damn clue what you'd do. It's very easy to talk about what you'd do in some sort of situation like that from your comfy house. It's also generally very different from what would actually happen in reality.
Originally posted by BackFireYou may think that, but you aren't. You're putting yourself in completely different situations that would warrant a strong physical reaction. And you are implying that if you don't think that the cop was correct for punching the girl, then you are in favor of criminal anarchy.
I already said that while he acted wrongly, he was well within his rights hitting her.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I already said that while he acted wrongly, he was well within his rights hitting her.
You've also said things like this
OK.He had to defuse the situation as quickly as possible. He chose to punch her. Not what I would have done, but he did what he did, and he was well within his rights doing so.
Nice, let the outlaws run shit then?
Originally posted by BackFire
"Nice, let criminals run shit then".The implications there are clear - If you speak out against the police officer, you are in favor of criminal anarchy.
Originally posted by Rogue JediOr hey, cops could just let people who carry guns on them get away with anything they want.
Originally posted by MindsetYes, I guess they could.
Originally posted by inimalistI can't help, when watching the vid, seeing the cop being a bit indecisive after he punched the first chick. The second (Blue top) was resisting, and he had many chances to turn her around, hold her on the hood of the car, and cuff her. It's like he was realizing what he has just did and was afraid to act again.
it says a lot about the training of the police when they are unable to physically restrain a single teenage girl or defuse a couple of angry individuals...
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
How does that have any relevance to what I'm asking you? Are you saying that cops should treat everyone as if they secretly have a gun in their underwear?
It's relevant because the Seattle incident started out as a simple jaywalking stop.
In one of the vids I posted, a simple traffic stop turns into a shootout.
Point I am trying to make is shit happens.