Anne Rice's "Vampire Chronicles" versus the "Twilight" Vampires

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, her shield protects against physical attacks, so any attack that is physical is diverted. Try to burn them with PK? Physical. Sure, the power may be produced with something metaphysical, but the outcome is physical, so it won't work. 🙂

Body thievery is not a physical attack, dumbass. You keep flip flopping, man. First you say PK is a mental attack, now you say it's a physical attack.

And you keep dodging the FACT that Akasha has more powerful TK than Bella has shields. And the FACT that TEN Ricevamps can do the same attack. Think on it like this: A linebacker is trying to get past an Offensive end. The LB is stronger and faster. He WILL get by the OE. He WILL bowl the OE over.

If that doesn't break it down for you, then there is no hope for you.

1. Did it say anywhere in the books that her ability had a limit to where it would stop? (the answer is no, and I've said this already.)

2. No. She doesn't even have to look. It's just there. I've answered this already.

3. It has not been listed or even implied that there is a limit. Since it's passive and always up, the limit is as many as try to physically harm. I've said this already.

See what I did there?

You ****ing know that Renata can only use her powers as she did in the books, no more than so. You are ignoring her limitations because you are painted into a corner.

FACT: Renata was never mentioned using her powers on someone who is thousands of feet high, in the clouds. Therefore she can't here. Deal with it. Akasha, on the other hand, was mentioned torching vampires from that far off.

Here's point # 4: She cannot protect herself from mental attacks. She gets pwned by Alec and Jane...and David and Lestat's mind switch. She needs Bella to survive against Rice Vamps, and vice-versa.

Edit - I have an idea: I want to do movie versus and put it on Spike. It would be like Warrior vs. mixed with Mythbusters. It would be really nerdy, so it might have to go on Sci-fi. We would be the team. We would argue until we came up with a most probable outcome, and have it acted it out, like deadliest warrior on spike.

Originally posted by dadudemon
RJ, i'm going to argue from the Rice Vamps, and you argue from the Twivamps side of things.

Just humor me.

Seriously. Try to win against me and really try. Don't give up.

So, anyway, Marius is probably much faster than Edward and Felix, but I'd say that the fastest fighters are Edward and Felix, from the Twiside. Jasper is said to be the deadliest because he's second in speed to Edward, but a much better fighter. Edward and Jasper fought to a stale-mate in the books and Carlisle said they would fight like that, for days, if they kept fighting (neither landing a hit).

Marius would be much faster, but is he strong enough to actually damage the Twivamps? I think so. Marius could beat down all of the Twivamps, cept the Aro-Renata combo. He doesn't have to use any special powers, either, so Bella's shield is null.

Marius would first take down Edward, since he can read his thoughts. He would avoid Jane's and Alec's shizer, as he would be aware of it. He'd just have to avoid Alec's mist and avoid Jane's gaze. He got the drop on Lestat and co, so he should be able to move fast enough to avoid Jane's eyes.

Akasha is not nearly as fast as Marius, but she can use her burn power to destroy any newborns as they will be too savage and wild to have their wits about them.

Yeah, I'd enjoy a show like that. A movie versus show. I wonder how it would have to be done to avoid being too bias? Like a Spiderman versus an Viktor (from underworld). That could go both ways, imo.

TRY and win against you? crylaugh

Dude, I've been ***** slapping you for pages now. Others agree with me, but they refuse to get involved.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Body thievery is not a physical attack, dumbass. You keep flip flopping, man. First you say PK is a mental attack, now you say it's a physical attack.

And you keep dodging the FACT that Akasha has more powerful TK than Bella has shields. And the FACT that TEN Ricevamps can do the same attack. Think on it like this: A linebacker is trying to get past an Offensive end. The LB is stronger and faster. He WILL get by the OE. He WILL bowl the OE over.

If that doesn't break it down for you, then there is no hope for you.

Prove that Akasha has more powerful TK than Bella's shields.

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What? You can't? What? You haven't? What, is that crickets?

You can't win a debate by just saying, "X happens because I said so. NYA NYA!"

And how can I dodge a fact that is not a fact but something you made up? It's like your throwing invisible balls at me and getting angry because I'm NOT dodging them.

And PK has a offensive physical manifestation, so it is a physical attack. It just happens that it is produced by the mind, meaning Bella blocks it too.

But, I'm a dumbass. WEEEEEE!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you are gonna assume that Renata can extend her powers out as far as she wants? Even if she was never mentioned doing so? Fine. Akasha can fly faster than Superman, she can lift a million pounds over her head, she can torch someone on another planet.

So when did "extending out her powers" every play a role, here? The only stipulation was when someone would go to attack, they would get turned away, confused, and possibly forget entirely. Her shield is not like Bella's shield. It doesn't have a boundary or distance it has to cover, it just happens.

That's your problem for not understanding, despite being told this, already.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See what I did there?

You ****ing know that Renata can only use her powers as she did in the books, no more than so. You are ignoring her limitations because you are painted into a corner.

Yes, I see what you did there: what you've been doing the entire time: ignoring the twivamps abilities, putting arbitrary stipulations on their abilities that didn't exist in the book, and then pretending as if they are even remotely valid.

Here's a stipulation that does apply and is real: Akasha cannot use PK on the the Twivamps because Benjamin couldn't do it and, guess what? He has PK.

PK, null. No more PK. Ohhh....tis a shame. Sucks, huh?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
FACT: Renata was never mentioned using her powers on someone who is thousands of feet high, in the clouds. Therefore she can't here. Deal with it. Akasha, on the other hand, was mentioned torching vampires from that far off.

See what I just said.

haermm Fail.

Fact: Renata was never NOT shown doing that and no limit was stipulated or even mentioned.

See what I did there? I called your gimp-fest, again, because you can't get over your Rice vamps. You just can't stand the fact that your Rice vamps get pwned soooo hard by f*ggity Twivamps. I love it. It is quite funny. WEEEEEE!

So your entire argument boils down to this: you can't think of ways around their powers, so you impose arbitrary limitations on their powers that don't exist in the books. That is not the proper way to have a discussion, unless you're 5.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
TRY and win against you? crylaugh

Dude, I've been ***** slapping you for pages now. Others agree with me, but they refuse to get involved.

No, you've been getting your ass handed to you for pages and can't stand it. Others agree with me, and refuse to get involved because of how lame this conversation is. They called you an immature child.

didnt she use her TK to open massive doors? plus to shove the millennium children? also blow up the stage? wasnt she pinning vamps with her TK?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
didnt she use her TK to open massive doors? plus to shove the millennium children? also blow up the stage? wasnt she pinning vamps with her TK?

The stage shit didn't happen in the books. Probably some other stuff you listed didn't happen that way, as well, but I don't remember or not.

I don't remember reading about throwing doors open with TK, though.

pretty sure she did open her own doors in the book.. i cant recall but damn almost positive as well as the vamp shuffing and pinning.. i actually wasnt sure on the stage feat but it didnt matter since this thread is feats from either movie or book..

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove that Akasha has more powerful TK than Bella's shields.

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What? You can't? What? You haven't? What, is that crickets?

You can't win a debate by just saying, "X happens because I said so. NYA NYA!"

What is Bellas greatest feat with her shields? This is me proving it, please answer.

Another question: If Dark Phoenix and a mid level mutant with average TK powers were to engage in a TK fight to the death, who would win?

And how can I dodge a fact that is not a fact but something you made up? It's like your throwing invisible balls at me and getting angry because I'm NOT dodging them.

And PK has a offensive physical manifestation, so it is a physical attack. It just happens that it is produced by the mind, meaning Bella blocks it too.

But, I'm a dumbass. WEEEEEE!

Here's where you explain the parts in the books where Renata uses her powers. In detail.

So when did "extending out her powers" every play a role, here? The only stipulation was when someone would go to attack, they would get turned away, confused, and possibly forget entirely. Her shield is not like Bella's shield. It doesn't have a boundary or distance it has to cover, it just happens.

Yes, I see what you did there: what you've been doing the entire time: ignoring the twivamps abilities, putting arbitrary stipulations on their abilities that didn't exist in the book, and then pretending as if they are even remotely valid.

No, I am actually going with what we read/see. You, on the other hand, are taking it and assuming it can be multiplied a hundred times.

Here's a stipulation that does apply and is real: Akasha cannot use PK on the the Twivamps because Benjamin couldn't do it and, guess what? He has PK.

PK, null. No more PK. Ohhh....tis a shame. Sucks, huh?

Fact: Renata was never NOT shown doing that and no limit was stipulated or even mentioned.

See what I did there? I called your gimp-fest, again, because you can't get over your Rice vamps. You just can't stand the fact that your Rice vamps get pwned soooo hard by f*ggity Twivamps. I love it. It is quite funny. WEEEEEE!

So your entire argument boils down to this: you can't think of ways around their powers, so you impose arbitrary limitations on their powers that don't exist in the books. That is not the proper way to have a discussion, unless you're 5.

See, I know you. I know how you operate. First you repeat the same shit over and over. Then you troll. Then you do the whole WHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! thing. It's all part of your inability to accept that you are wrong.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
didnt she use her TK to open massive doors? plus to shove the millennium children? also blow up the stage? wasnt she pinning vamps with her TK?

Renata also has the power to divert physical attacks, so if someone were to walk forward they would immediately want to go the other way and have no memory of why they wanted to the first way at all.

This is it. This is the extent of her powers. There is no "shield." She simply mind ****s someone into forgetting what they were doing.

She is described by Bella as moving with Aro at all times. It is also described that her fingers appeared to be sewn onto Aro's robe. She is Aro's shield at times of battle, as well as his personal bodyguard. She is incredibly protective of her master, and is very disturbed whenever he willingly makes himself vulnerable by saying, "Master?

And there it is, people. Why is she at Aro's side at all times? Because that is the range of her powers.

If Akasha were to be thousands of feet high, in the clouds, out of Renata's LINE OF SIGHT, and out of range from her powers, she would fry Renata in an instant.

One more time. There IS no "shield." If a sniper were to fire on Renata without Renata knowing it, the bullet would hit her. Wouldn't fae her, but the bullet would strike her.

But hey, DDM is of the opinion that her powers can stop a physical attack even when Renata has no idea one is coming, and from as far away as Renata wishes. Too bad he has nothing to back that up with, eh? 🙄

This is where DDM is required to quote when he used her "shield", against how many vamps, if she could see them, and from how far away. He'll reply with "OMG there are no limits to her power, mwahahahaahaaaa!!!"

that seems to be everyones argument.. we dont know their limit excuse.. and they try to play it off as being significant even astronomically higher.. ppl dont seem to understand that we go by feats we dont add nor take away nor do we use hyperbole but without it the f@gs are a massive joke.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
that seems to be everyones argument.. we dont know their limit excuse.. and they try to play it off as being significant even astronomically higher.. ppl dont seem to understand that we go by feats we dont add nor take away nor do we use hyperbole but without it the f@gs are a massive joke.

Let me ask this. You and I have TK. We engage in a TK battle to the death.

Your TK produces a mental shield, protecting your mind from being attacked. That's it.

Mine? I can fly, I can destroy metal stages and blast through doors, I can use pyrokinesis on twenty targets at once, and I can do what is literally a Jedi force push and force pull.

Who wins the TK battle?

well b/c u used me as the example i am going to have to go by me by some unknown reason not readily visible but believe you me its there i will just step into it in middle battle and pawn your @$$...

but realistically we go by who has the better high end feat.

if my Tk produces a counter field it would fall on who has the higher will power as well as other factors like physical strength..

so if i can magically stop and equal the TK attack i still have to worry of pyro kinetics or simply ramming a tree or a pole into me..

honestly the only way i should be able to beat you is if my shield isnt really TK based but more of null field power dampening power.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
well b/c u used me as the example i am going to have to go by me by some unknown reason not readily visible but believe you me its there i will just step into it in middle battle and pawn your @$$...

but realistically we go by who has the better high end feat.

if my Tk produces a counter field it would fall on who has the higher will power as well as other factors like physical strength..

so if i can magically stop and equal the TK attack i still have to worry of pyro kinetics or simply ramming a tree or a pole into me..

honestly the only way i should be able to beat you is if my shield isnt really TK based but more of null field power dampening power.

High end feat goes to Akasha, by miles. Stronger TK, dude. Her TK would go right through Bellas. And all ten Ricevamps with the same power, all attacking Bellas shield with said power all at once? What do you see happening to Bellas shields?

i honestly cant recall.. i sped read through the series so fast that i forgot a lot of the story its a jumbo mess now since its bn weeks and months..

like i said you have to look at what was the highest attack she blocked and the context of the story. if she can stop a tk attack that can be gauged to be similar to akasha's high end feat then thats find but i dont recall her shield being said it can stop all manner of attacks..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i honestly cant recall.. i sped read through the series so fast that i forgot a lot of the story its a jumbo mess now since its bn weeks and months..

like i said you have to look at what was the highest attack she blocked and the context of the story. if she can stop a tk attack that can be gauged to be similar to akasha's high end feat then thats find but i dont recall her shield being said it can stop all manner of attacks..

High end feats for the Twivamps TK? Cause some confusion, a little pain.

High end feats for Akasha's TK? Destroy a metal stage, blast wooden doors to splinters, pull objects to her, push objects away from her, levitate objects, and pyrokinesis.

Pretty simple. DDM is taking the Twivamps powers and twisting them around, saying they can do shit they can't do.

So, Bella's shields? Useless against 'pyro attack. Renata's shields? Useless against Akasha's pyro attack.

H2H combat? Shiiiiiiiiiiiit.....Lestat, Marius, Louis and Khayman pwn them, hard.

Indo story.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It works both ways: it is a presumption to assume that it is not electricity (even more so a presumption since it was refered too as electrical shock) and mist were targetting just the mind? Obviously, the mist was corporeal as it was more dense the air around it. The Electrical shock, not so much, but she did build up a "field" around her body and was working on increasing the range of that field...sounds an awful lot like an electrical charge.

I choose to go with with the most probable, not what one side or the other chooses to go with: mentallly produced attacks are blocked by Bella's shield without exceptions.

Well, and that's where the dissent is and both sides do have a decent point since it is left ambiguous.

Seems like a pointless debate, at least in this specific point.

Tired of talking about this.

Wuuuuuuuut?

i'm done with the twi vamp threads... tired of the unsupported claims and contesanting attitude of certain posters.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Tired of talking about this.

Wuuuuuuuut?

Time for Horror Writer Smackdown. In an interview with USA Weekend, Stephen King took a shot at Stephenie Meyer, whose Twilight series has been a huge hit. In his words, "[J.K.] Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can’t write worth a darn. She’s not very good."

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/books/blog/2009/02/stephen_king_stephenie_meyer_c.html