Anne Rice's "Vampire Chronicles" versus the "Twilight" Vampires

Originally posted by dadudemon
"for all to see" eh?

Cause there is like a billion people reading this rediculous discussion, huh?

Also, no, I will not bring them out until you admit defeat.

No? K.

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You've got nothing, dude. Until you bring it, you've got nothing. And when you DO bring it, I'll bury it.

No matter what you want your Rice vamps to do, anyone that attempts to attack the Bella + Renata Duo is doomed to fail. They have no choice.

Nah. Akashas flames get to Bella and fry her.

If not (lulz at that), Akashas stronger TK collapses Bellas shields. And all ten Ricevamps TK at once against Bellas shield?

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The Ricevamp pyros, they can all attack Bella's shield, all at once, all from a looooooooooong ways off, far from Renatas powers, so far away that the Twivamps will never even see them. Ten TK attacks, all at once, all stronger than Bella's shields, add it up, playa. Result?

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And this:

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And you still haven't countered the Body thief scenario 😉

Wait, there is none!!! 😱

Sput sput sputter, blub blub blub......

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Originally posted by dadudemon
So, basically, the same failed arguments, over and over.

Distance doese not matter, at all. Not even a little bit.

Bella does not have to project her shield thousands of feet away. In fact, that would be stupid if she did that as it would make it much easier to get behind her shield. The only thing she neesd to do is simply put up her shield: that's it. Shoot a bullet at a steel wall from 1000 feet away or 10 feet away: it doesn't matter.

Renata is fine, as long as she's touching Bella. Anyone who tries to attack either of them will stop what they are doing and turn away, confused. Distance does not matter: only the fact that Renata or the person she is shielding, is attacked. If you tried to fire a nuke from across the world, to hit Renata, you'd stop, confused, and not remember what you were trying to do.

Distance doesn't matter? Prove that. Right here, right now.

Still no counter for Akasha having stronger TK than Bellas shields. K.

Originally posted by Bardock42
This whole debate hinges on the one question whether Bella can block attacks originating from another minds or only attacks influencing her (or those who she chooses to protect) minds.

If the first is true, then the Anne Rice Vampires will likely have a problem with a Bella/Renata team up that they can't possibly harm, with either physical attack nor their special powers. If that's not the case the Queen alone can likely kill most of them with her incendiary power .

Leaving special powers out for a bit, who do you two think would win in an only physical brawl?

The Ricevamp pyros, they can all attack Bella's shield, all at once, all from a looooooooooong ways off, far from Renatas powers, so far away that the Twivamps will never even see them. Ten TK attacks, all at once, all stronger than Bella's shields, add it up, playa.

A h2h brawl? Ricevamps stomp.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Ricevamp pyros, they can all attack Bella's shield, all at once, all from a looooooooooong ways off, far from Renatas powers, so far away that the Twivamps will never even see them. Ten TK attacks, all at once, all stronger than Bella's shields, add it up, playa.

A h2h brawl? Ricevamps stomp.

Well, like I said that's what the whole debate between you two is about. Does Bella's shield stop the Ricevamps powers or not.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, like I said that's what the whole debate between you two is about. Does Bella's shield stop the Ricevamps powers or not.

.Akasha herself has stronger TK than Bella has shields. Add 9 more Ricevamps who have the power Akasha does, all attacking Bella's shields with it, all at once?

Akasha can simply hover in the clouds and solo here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Distance doesn't matter? Prove that. Right here, right now.

Prove, right here, right now, that distance matters. Quote me a line or anything from the books that says Renata's shield magically stops working if the attack comes from 400 miles away.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Still no counter for Akasha having stronger TK than Bellas shields. K.

Read above: Simple, you can't, because that stipulation was never in the book.

Fess up: you're gimping the characters, like I said you were, because you can't admit defeat. Your pride is just too big to let go...but you can do it. I know you can. pained

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No? K.

You've got nothing, dude. Until you bring it, you've got nothing. And when you DO bring it, I'll bury it.

Nah. Akashas flames get to Bella and fry her.

If not (lulz at that), Akashas stronger TK collapses Bellas shields. And all ten Ricevamps TK at once against Bellas shield?

The Ricevamp pyros, they can all attack Bella's shield, all at once, all from a looooooooooong ways off, far from Renatas powers, so far away that the Twivamps will never even see them. Ten TK attacks, all at once, all stronger than Bella's shields, add it up, playa. Result?

And this:

And you still haven't countered the Body thief scenario 😉

Wait, there is none!!! 😱

Sput sput sputter, blub blub blub......

No amount of youtube vids and trolling will change that you don't have an actual counter to the Renata Bella shield duo. There is absolutely no way around that duo. Nothing in the books will help you. Your last efforts consist of making up abritrary rules about their abilities, which is pretty funny.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, only an idiot would claim it stops the Ricevamps powers. There is literally NO proof of this.

Only an idiot would think that that argument was one way. There is not proof that they would work, either.

And, actually, there is proof that it would stop their powers. You can assign arbitrary limitations, all you want.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Akasha herself has stronger TK than Bella has shields. Add 9 more Ricevamps who have the power Akasha does, all attacking Bella's shields with it, all at once?

At no point was Bella's shield seen buckling under too much attacks. She was, however, seen blocking many attacks at once. Would you like some crackers with your pwn soup?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Akasha can simply hover in the clouds and solo here.

How can she attack from the clouds when she's already dead? 😬

Originally posted by Bardock42
Leaving special powers out for a bit, who do you two think would win in an only physical brawl?

Depends on the vampires. Some the elders would definitely win H2H against twivamps. Marius comes to mind..as he's much faster than the Twivamps.

I still don't quite follow the logic that Bella's shield would protect her from the powers of the Rice Vampires.

And are you sure that there is no range to Renata's protection? I mean you gave the example of someone aiming an atom bomb at her, is there anything in the book to suggest that wouldn't be possible?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I still don't quite follow the logic that Bella's shield would protect her from the powers of the Rice Vampires.

Electricity doesn't get through, neither will other elemental attacks.

A dark mist won't get through, neither will other mind originating attacks.

It looks like all attacks that originate from the mind, cannot get through, even if they are elemental (such as electrokinesis and the mist which was denser than air...but we don't know what it was made of). There were no exceptions to the mind attacks.

On top of that, anyone who tried to attack Bella, while Renata was offering her touching services, would stop, turn away, and not remember what they were doing.

It's the ol' 1-2 punch.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And are you sure that there is no range to Renata's protection? I mean you gave the example of someone aiming an atom bomb at her, is there anything in the book to suggest that wouldn't be possible?

No. No stipulation was ever put on the range, only that someone that tried to attack Aro would be turned away, confused, and/or forget what they were doing.

Imposing an workable distance would be gimping as no distance was given. It just works and Aro ain't gettin' touched.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Electricity doesn't get through, neither will other elemental attacks.

A dark mist won't get through, neither will other mind originating attacks.

It looks like all attacks that originate from the mind, cannot get through, even if they are elemental (such as electrokinesis and the mist which was denser than air...but we don't know what it was made of). There were no exceptions to the mind attacks.

On top of that, anyone who tried to attack Bella, while Renata was offering her touching services, would stop, turn away, and not remember what they were doing.

It's the ol' 1-2 punch.

That's something you inferred though, the explanation might also be that both the electricity and the dark mist target the mind of the victim and therefore don't work. The other interpretation seems to be a presumption on your part.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No. No stipulation was ever put on the range, only that someone that tried to attack Aro would be turned away, confused, and/or forget what they were doing.

Imposing an workable distance would be gimping as no distance was given. It just works and Aro ain't gettin' touched.

Well, I haven't read it, I could imagine that to be contrary to the meaning though, but fair enough.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I still don't quite follow the logic that Bella's shield would protect her from the powers of the Rice Vampires.

And are you sure that there is no range to Renata's protection? I mean you gave the example of someone aiming an atom bomb at her, is there anything in the book to suggest that wouldn't be possible?

See, DDM thinks that there is literally no limit to the range of the Twivamps. But he and I both know that we can only use their most impressive feat to judge the range.

I'm betting it's no more than a few feet, and that she needs line of sight.

Here:

http://twilightsaga.wikia.com/wiki/Volturi

Bella describes her to have a timid personality and notices that Renata has no bloodlust or any desire to fight due to her ability to block someone's physical attacks. She is described by Bella as moving with Aro at all times. It is also described that her fingers appeared to be sewn onto Aro's robe. She comments that if there was a fight with Renata and herself one on one, she would obliterate her using her special skill to block hers.

She is Aro's shield at times of battle, as well as his personal bodyguard. She is incredibly protective of her master, and is very disturbed whenever he willingly makes himself vulnerable by saying, "Master?" (as shown during the confrontation in Breaking Dawn).

Protective shield

Renata also has the power to divert physical attacks, so if someone were to walk forward they would immediately want to go the other way and have no memory of why they wanted to the first way at all.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Only an idiot would think that that argument was one way. There is not proof that they would work, either.

And, actually, there is proof that it would stop their powers. You can assign arbitrary limitations, all you want.

Akasha is stronger than Bella, Bella's shields go down. Like a cheerleader on prom night.

At no point was Bella's shield seen buckling under too much attacks. She was, however, seen blocking many attacks at once. Would you like some crackers with your pwn soup?

How can she attack from the clouds when she's already dead? 😬

Originally posted by dadudemon
No amount of youtube vids and trolling will change that you don't have an actual counter to the Renata Bella shield duo. There is absolutely no way around that duo. Nothing in the books will help you. Your last efforts consist of making up abritrary rules about their abilities, which is pretty funny.

Yes there is. Ten Ricevamps collapse Bella's shields, the Twivamps all burn. No shields, no defense.

Counter that or STFU.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove, right here, right now, that distance matters. Quote me a line or anything from the books that says Renata's shield magically stops working if the attack comes from 400 miles away.

Read above: Simple, you can't, because that stipulation was never in the book.

Fess up: you're gimping the characters, like I said you were, because you can't admit defeat. Your pride is just too big to let go...but you can do it. I know you can. pained

Pride? crylaugh THAT'S funny, mr. OCD.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's something you inferred though, the explanation might also be that both the electricity and the dark mist target the mind of the victim and therefore don't work. The other interpretation seems to be a presumption on your part.

It works both ways: it is a presumption to assume that it is not electricity (even more so a presumption since it was refered too as electrical shock) and mist were targetting just the mind? Obviously, the mist was corporeal as it was more dense the air around it. The Electrical shock, not so much, but she did build up a "field" around her body and was working on increasing the range of that field...sounds an awful lot like an electrical charge.

I choose to go with with the most probable, not what one side or the other chooses to go with: mentallly produced attacks are blocked by Bella's shield without exceptions.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The shields would fall.

See, DDM thinks that there is literally no limit to the range of the Twivamps. But he and I both know that we can only use their most impressive feat to judge the range.

I'm betting it's no more than a few feet, and that she needs line of sight.

Here:

http://twilightsaga.wikia.com/wiki/Volturi

Bella describes her to have a timid personality and notices that Renata has no bloodlust or any desire to fight due to her ability to block someone's physical attacks. She is described by Bella as moving with Aro at all times. It is also described that her fingers appeared to be sewn onto Aro's robe. She comments that if there was a fight with Renata and herself one on one, she would obliterate her using her special skill to block hers.

She is Aro's shield at times of battle, as well as his personal bodyguard. She is incredibly protective of her master, and is very disturbed whenever he willingly makes himself vulnerable by saying, "Master?" (as shown during the confrontation in Breaking Dawn).

Protective shield

Renata also has the power to divert physical attacks, so if someone were to walk forward they would immediately want to go the other way and have no memory of why they wanted to the first way at all.

See? Idiot.

haermm You're like a little worm on a big ****in hook. Wriggle away, you got shit.

Akasha is stronger than Bella, Bella's shields go down. Like a cheerleader on prom night.

Was she ever shown blocking TEN AKASHAS at once? Yeah thought not.

What are the Tw......Oh, never mind, you're trolling.....blub blub blub blub blub..........

Yes there is. Ten Ricevamps collapse Bella's shields, the Twivamps all burn. No shields, no defense.

Counter that or STFU.

No, this is the part where you tell me how far Renata]s power was shown/said reaching. It's a simple question. Here, I'll say it slow........How.....far......was.....Renata's......power.....shown/said......reaching? See, if it said to reach out ten feet at the most, that's as far as it can go here.

Pride? crylaugh THAT'S funny, mr. OCD.

Wait, so Renata's shield protects her from any physical attacks? Dang, that's everything including PK, TK, Punches, kicks. If it physically affects her, it fails.

That means the Bella is invincible while Renata is with her.

Dang.

Only two vamps are needed, if this is the case.

Thanks for playing.

Bella doesn't even need her shield.

Edit - Wait, forgot about David and Lestat. They'll still need Bella to protect their minds.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait, so Renata's shield protects her from any physical attacks? Dang, that's everything including PK, TK, Punches, kicks. If it physically affects her, it fails.

That means the Bella is invincible while Renata is with her.

Dang.

Only two vamps are needed, if this is the case.

Thanks for playing.

Um....No. Her shield is more of an attention diverter, it's not really a "shield", not like Bellas is.

Stop dodging and answer these questions.

1. How far was Renatas shield said to have reached? 20 feet? 30 feet? What is the range?

2.Does she need line of sight?

3. What is the most number of vampires she has shielded against at once?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Um....No. Her shield is more of an attention diverter, it's not really a "shield", not like Bellas is.

Stop dodging and answer these questions.

1. How far was Renatas shield said to have reached? 20 feet? 30 feet? What is the range?

2.Does she need line of sight?

3. What is the most number of vampires she has shielded against at once?

No, her shield protects against physical attacks, so any attack that is physical is diverted. Try to burn them with PK? Physical. Sure, the power may be produced with something metaphysical, but the outcome is physical, so it won't work. 🙂

1. Did it say anywhere in the books that her ability had a limit to where it would stop? (the answer is no, and I've said this already.)

2. No. She doesn't even have to look. It's just there. I've answered this already.

3. It has not been listed or even implied that there is a limit. Since it's passive and always up, the limit is as many as try to physically harm. I've said this already.

Here's point # 4: She cannot protect herself from mental attacks. She gets pwned by Alec and Jane...and David and Lestat's mind switch. She needs Bella to survive against Rice Vamps, and vice-versa.

Edit - I have an idea: I want to do movie versus and put it on Spike. It would be like Warrior vs. mixed with Mythbusters. It would be really nerdy, so it might have to go on Sci-fi. We would be the team. We would argue until we came up with a most probable outcome, and have it acted it out, like deadliest warrior on spike.

I'd watch it ✅

id PPV that shit! 😱

RJ, i'm going to argue from the Rice Vamps, and you argue from the Twivamps side of things.

Just humor me.

Seriously. Try to win against me and really try. Don't give up.

So, anyway, Marius is probably much faster than Edward and Felix, but I'd say that the fastest fighters are Edward and Felix, from the Twiside. Jasper is said to be the deadliest because he's second in speed to Edward, but a much better fighter. Edward and Jasper fought to a stale-mate in the books and Carlisle said they would fight like that, for days, if they kept fighting (neither landing a hit).

Marius would be much faster, but is he strong enough to actually damage the Twivamps? I think so. Marius could beat down all of the Twivamps, cept the Aro-Renata combo. He doesn't have to use any special powers, either, so Bella's shield is null.

Marius would first take down Edward, since he can read his thoughts. He would avoid Jane's and Alec's shizer, as he would be aware of it. He'd just have to avoid Alec's mist and avoid Jane's gaze. He got the drop on Lestat and co, so he should be able to move fast enough to avoid Jane's eyes.

Akasha is not nearly as fast as Marius, but she can use her burn power to destroy any newborns as they will be too savage and wild to have their wits about them.

Yeah, I'd enjoy a show like that. A movie versus show. I wonder how it would have to be done to avoid being too bias? Like a Spiderman versus an Viktor (from underworld). That could go both ways, imo.