Originally posted by Gideon
Yes, because that's exactly what you were doing.You were attacking Kenobi's assessment of Palpatine's fighting skills based on the idea that Yoda was "more than a match for Sidious," hence why Sidious attempted to flee during the initial part of the duel. I responded with the fact that Yoda fled from Sidious at the end of their duel. Why would he flee if he were more than a match for Sidious?
Then do it! 😄
I see, I did how you didn't quote the part, where in essence, you were directly asked… Moving forward… These aren't the same type of fleeing and correlation you're making them out to be. I do get where you're going with it, and get what you are trying to say (without saying it). To me difference lies in how they went about doing so…. Yoda was engaging Sid in direct combat in the Emperor's office… it moves to the senate chamber…. The emperor is then disarmed and away from Yoda on higher ground throwing pods at him. Yoda disarmed him is the key there. Yoda knocks Sids of balance when he fires a pod back at him. Yoda then proceeds to get right back in the face of Sids. The engage in a force lighting struggle… It first appears the emperor is getting the better of it… Yoda buckles down and is seen as having the advantage pushing it back at Sids… The both go flying back. Yoda however, can hold on and goes all the way to the ground. Sid proceeds to leave and not try and engage further. Do you think if Sids came down to engage further or stayed in the room to throw more pods yoda would have left? No Yoda left because Sids had already vacated the scene. Couple that with the fact, that Yoda knows that Sids would call upon more forces to find and kill yoda. So he chooses to leave, considering he has no idea where the Emperor went.. and he knows the storm troopers are coming. To me there is a rather clear difference in circumstances between both leaving.
Further…. the word flee wasn't the crux of my argument… the crux of the argument was that Obi didn't know that Mace in fact had the emperor beaten. All the knew was the 4 acclaimed Jedi masters and one that rivals Yoda went to arrest sids and end up dying. He doesn't know that Mace had beaten him one v one. Therefore, if you think that 4 Jedi, who you consider better than you have died, how could only 2 stand a chance. Perfectly logical, yet neither yoda or obi had the full story. Thus their conclusion might have been vastly different. That is the crux of my argument. To go further.. we then saw that Yoda was more than a match for Sid alone… just as Mace was. Which further makes that statement all the more erroneous.
haermm
1. Prove Sidious was disarmed.
2. Where did Sidious vacate the scene? Where did he leave? He was still dangling on the pod; Yoda fled.
3. Prove that the clones were on their way prior to Palpatine summoning them and then prove that Yoda knew they were coming.
(Also, I'm not saying I disagree with your conclusion, I'm just wanting you to be less sloppy about getting there.)
I'm trolling you. 😛 and you're taking it like a slave now. 131
a.) the clones were already coming or b.) that Yoda sensed that they were already coming.
I don't need to prove it. There is more logic pointing to the clones either being summoned or someone noticing that there were two knocked out gaurds and a missing emperor in his chamber and alerting security, then there is evidence pointing to other conclusions. Only a fool would not take into consideration that the house of the most important person in the entire Galaxy would be swarming with gaurds and that any assassination attempt would have a limited time window. If you want to assume that Yoda is such a fool, purely because there is no convenient quote from some cock sucking author, be my guest. 313
Originally posted by Galan007
Neither the movie nor the novel depict Yoda 'disarming' Sidious in their battle. For all we know, Sidious purposefully sheathed his weapon.
My view of the fight is that they were equal. Yoda having a slight advantage in sabers, Palpatine in the force. But in this case Palpatine won.
Originally posted by Gideon
haermm1. Prove Sidious was disarmed.
2. Where did Sidious vacate the scene? Where did he leave? He was still dangling on the pod; Yoda fled.
3. Prove that the clones were on their way prior to Palpatine summoning them and then prove that Yoda knew they were coming.
(Also, I'm not saying I disagree with your conclusion, I'm just wanting you to be less sloppy about getting there.)
The were engaged in a saber duel in one scene..and then the next he doesn't have it anymore. A duel I might add that Yoda was clearly doing just fine in. Sure you can't say one way or another but Yoda still had his saber and Sids didn't.
He obviously wasn't there because Yoda looked up and saw that he was gone and left himself. When yoda was below the emperor before, he got back up to him to engage him. Now you expect me to believe he looked up and saw him dangling there and decided to leave. Come on Gideon, you're usually more logical than that. Probability lies with my interpretation.
So Yoda somehow lost his Jedi senses now? Someone who can feel stuff thousands of miles away via the force.. couldn't sense that there are storm troopers less than a mile away in the building? Certainly you jest Gideon. The storm troopers were there and showed up, right away Yoda left.. yet to you that was a coincidence? Again we are working with something more probable and another just possible.
Fair enough, and it could've been worded better on my part.
Originally posted by Gideon
lolwutAffirmative Action hasn't gotten its claws into the rules of debating, yet, Blax. Until such a time, when you make a claim, you must prove it.
How very Janus of you to assume facts not in evidence....
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Ah, nothing to say in regards to the rest of my post, then?
Good. I accept your thinly veiled concession. super13
Joking aside, I don't need to. You made a claim; realistically, with someone of Palpatine's paranoia and galactic importance, there'd be pretty much a 'zero' window of opportunity. Certainly not a duel of the scale that occured without security interference. But it happened; now you must prove that clones were on the way and then that Yoda knew of it.
We're not assuming facts not in evidence. 😐
I win lulz luv u 🙂
Originally posted by Gideon
Joking aside, I don't need to. You made a claim; realistically, with someone of Palpatine's paranoia and galactic importance, there'd be pretty much a 'zero' window of opportunity. Certainly not a duel of the scale that occured without security interference. But it happened; now you must prove that clones were on the way and then that Yoda knew of it.We're not assuming facts not in evidence. 😐
I win lulz luv u 🙂
Then obviously you don't know how "proof" works then do you? I would suggest google for all your inept needs. !!!
Originally posted by Gideon
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How come you didn't address my post Gideon? Certain explanations are more probable than others and fall under the terms implied proof. Not all things have to be spelled out in black and white as you know. Certain things needs to be looked at logically, to fill in the blanks.
Stop riding my coat tails dammit. This victory is mine and mine alone to savor.
KT
How come you didn't address my post Gideon? Certain explanations are more probable than others and fall under the terms implied proof. Not all things have to be spelled out in black and white as you know. Certain things needs to be looked at logically, to fill in the blanks.
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KT
The were engaged in a saber duel in one scene..and then the next he doesn't have it anymore. A duel I might add that Yoda was clearly doing just fine in. Sure you can't say one way or another but Yoda still had his saber and Sids didn't.
This is not conclusive proof that Palpatine was disarmed, so I don't know what needs to be addressed here.
KT
He obviously wasn't there because Yoda looked up and saw that he was gone and left himself.
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We watched two different movies, then, because nowhere was it shown that Palpatine departed by the time that Yoda left. In fact, as we see from the movie and novelization, Palpatine remained in the Rotunda while Yoda fled; the movie shows Palpatine still cackling and dangling from the pod as Yoda gets to his feet at the very bottom.
Sorry, but Sidious didn't leave; Yoda did.
KT
So Yoda somehow lost his Jedi senses now? Someone who can feel stuff thousands of miles away via the force.. couldn't sense that there are storm troopers less than a mile away in the building? Certainly you jest Gideon. The storm troopers were there and showed up, right away Yoda left.. yet to you that was a coincidence? Again we are working with something more probable and another just possible.
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The Senate Building was presumably filled with stormtroopers and security personnel; what's important here is that it has been asserted that Yoda fled because stormtroopers were on their way. There has been no evidence provided to conclude that they were.