Mosque at Ground Zero

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Not that this is in any way a statement on my position on the issue- which is, I have no problem with the development- but as you mention this, I think it is worth noting that a Nunnery built near Auschwitz after the war was later actually closed on grounds of sensitivity. Not because Hitler was a Christian, and like most of the Holocaust this was in Poland, not Germany, but the case does bear comparison.

What was the reason?

Though, I think there may be a difference one should consider, since Manhattan is a densely populated, limited area.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What was the reason?

Though, I think there may be a difference one should consider, since Manhattan is a densely populated, limited area.

I googled "Nunnery built near Auschwitz", there's lots of hits, seems like the most common reason is "cos it's insensitive to the survivors and the Jewish community". Kind of odd, no exact reason as to why it's insensitive. Maybe I didn't look hard enough.

Could be the Catholic Church's supposed non interference for the Jewish plight in the 30-40's.

The Jewish survivors simply thought that any religious building near a site so sacred and important to them was inappropriate. In the end, the Pope closed it to maintain good relations- it was this act of diplomacy that bears comparison with the current situation.

This would be despite the fact that plenty of Catholics died there as well, despite the good will intention behind the Convent (though the Polish Catholic Church does not have a good record with Jews, it should be said) and despite anything you can advance about it being a legitimate purchase.

What this raises is the fact that sometimes objections are not necessarily fully rational- but if tied to monumental and important historical events, there is an argument that can be made to heeding the objection anyway, even if just as a sop to keep people happy.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Not that this is in any way a statement on my position on the issue- which is, I have no problem with the development- but as you mention this, I think it is worth noting that a Nunnery built near Auschwitz after the war was later actually closed on grounds of sensitivity. Not because Hitler was a Christian, and like most of the Holocaust this was in Poland, not Germany, but the case does bear comparison.

Good point, I have not read about that. It sounds interesting. We've been talking about it in one of my classes so I did some reading on it. I just feel like some people think this is just a move to shove that day in Americans faces, when that is not the reason they are building it.

Originally posted by Vanity
Good point, I have not read about that. It sounds interesting. We've been talking about it in one of my classes so I did some reading on it. I just feel like some people think this is just a move to shove that day in Americans faces, when that is not the reason they are building it.

Why are they building it there?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why are they building it there?

is there a lot of affordable real estate in manhattan? nothing that I have heard insinuate that it is a center in any way related to the event.

Originally posted by inimalist
is there a lot of affordable real estate in manhattan? nothing that I have heard insinuate that it is a center in any way related to the event.

I have no idea. I was asking Vanity. The claim was made: "...when that is not the reason they are building it". I simply would like to know why from someone who obviously knows. Or maybe he doesn't know and is just repeating what he was told.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have no idea. I was asking Vanity. The claim was made: "...when that is not the reason they are building it". I simply would like to know why from someone who obviously knows. Or maybe he doesn't know and is just repeating what he was told.

but what is there to know, aside from "this is where property was available close to where there was demand".

Originally posted by inimalist
but what is there to know, aside from "this is where property was available close to where there was demand".

I am curious to know why they want it there, from Vanity.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have no idea. I was asking Vanity. The claim was made: "...when that is not the reason they are building it". I simply would like to know why from someone who obviously knows. Or maybe he doesn't know and is just repeating what he was told.

I'm a she thank you lol

They are building it there because it was a plot for sale that will hold their building, its close to the currently too small mosque and some have already been doing their prayers there from the overflow of the mosque, no one has had a problem with that but now that they are going to make it official there is problems.

And to answer about how I obtained this information, I have been reading on it and discussing the subject in one of my classes at my college and outside of class also.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am curious to know why they want it there, from Vanity.

Inimalist basically said it..

The bought it because it was for sale, they weren't seeking to find a place near ground zero but it was available and met their needs plot size wise and they need more space

The only want for it to be there is that the land is already purchased so they want to use the plot they bought..

I was sent this in a chain email.

Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the hen house. The wolves will be herding the sheep! Obama appoints two devout Muslims to home land security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already?

Obama and Janet Napolitano Appointed Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim, who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council( HSAC ).

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already?? That should make our home land much safer, huh!!

Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago? Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood ?

Forward this important info. to anyone that cares about the future of our Country.

Oh yeah, the title of the email was, "We are safe now!"

[QUOTE=12939764]Originally posted by leonheartmm
to justify unlawful and unjust behaviour and expect any1 to care, since america is responsible for far more atrocities the world over.

Boy you can say THAT again.Thats the understatement of the century. 👆

Originally posted by Vanity
Inimalist basically said it..

The bought it because it was for sale, they weren't seeking to find a place near ground zero but it was available and met their needs plot size wise and they need more space

The only want for it to be there is that the land is already purchased so they want to use the plot they bought..

We don't really know that. That is as much of an assumption as those people who claim that the mosque is being placed there for nefarious reasons.

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Islam didn't destroy the WTC. Radical people did.

Ridiculous. The fact that he keeps drawing a connection between The bombings and Islamic beliefs is so lame. Almost any muslim you ask will condemn the bombings.

I hate Muslims and Christians equally, so i can't really decide.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We don't really know that. That is as much of an assumption as those people who claim that the mosque is being placed there for nefarious reasons.

It's a very reasonable assumption- far more so than the contrary. Honestly, you are now just looking as if you are being awkward for the sake of it.

Why?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Why?

talking to me?