Marvel's Newest Cosmic Event - The Chaos War!

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
So issue 2 is out. And let me say that nothing really happens in it that wasn't seen in the 2 previews that marvel showed (the first being Mika attacking Pluto/Hades' realm, killing zeus again, and ares yelling, with the second being Silver Surfer fighting with thor and herc for a bit with Galactus watching). If the bar that they set this against, as per their solicitations and marketing, is Infinity Gauntlet ("bigger than the Infinity Gauntlet!"😉 and Annihilation ("more cosmic than Annihilation!"😉 pak and van lente came up really short to an embarassing degree.

The one main thing that the previews didn't show is that herc has the power to summon a particular character and they have an interesting conversation.

Spoiler:
So he summons Eternity. This marks the official retcon of Amatsu-Mikaboshi, as Eternity reveals that Mikaboshi is an "anti-god" and the opposite of Eternity. However, unlike the infinity gauntlet saga, Eternity will not interfere because Mikaboshi's aspirations are higher (to unmake reality) and to move against mikaboshi is essentially moving against the opposite of himself, as he and mikaboshi are 2 sides of the same coin; he cannot move against Mikaboshi because everything that mikaboshi stands for and is, Eternity defines himself to be the exact opposite of that. Which makes zero sense...good is the opposite of evil, yet since they are opposites they don't come into conlfict? whatever. So we have Oblivion, Death, Abraxas, and now Amatsui-Mikaboshi all claiming to be Eternity's opposite. Take your pick.

Issue #2 ends with the setup for issue #3, the previews of which we saw last week.

And I really don't like how pak and van lente write the silver surfer. I really don't.

also theres more eternities opposites than those guys for all we know
oblivion
unbeing
entropy
abraxas
mikaboshi
Maelstrom

for all we know they are all just avatars of oblivion

i dont see whats so wrong about it when DC has so many aspects of death, and other guys

also its not a retcon the earth gods been new that he was the void

Let's just say they're avatars of Oblivion and be done with it.

what happened between surfer and thor

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
basically, eternity cannot directly fight death just like oblivion cannot directly fight infinity (they have to fight through avatars)

also theres more eternities opposites than those guys for all we know
oblivion
unbeing
entropy
abraxas
mikaboshi
Maelstrom

for all we know they are all just avatars of oblivion

i dont see whats so wrong about it when DC has so many aspects of death, and other guys

also its not a retcon the earth gods been new that he was the void

it is a retcon because all the panetheon lore is just variations of the same story. The hindu pantheons have their own god of destruction (vishnu...i think) and tales of how the world was created, same with the greek pantheons, etc. For example, Hela and Pluto are the same roles within different pantheons. They are NOT taking the role of Death, although they are "death gods." Mikaboshi is a being retconned into an abstract level being that is no longer localized to the japanese pantheon.

For instance, if you always believed Mikaboshi to be the void before existence, then you'd also have to believe that the kami and amaratsu created the universe. You can't believe one side of the mythology, apply it to the entire MU, and then ignore the other side.

Obviously, ameratsu is no where to be found in creating the MU, much less Earth, on panel in any marvel comic aside from those that feature japanese gods. Therefore it's proven that MIkaboshi has been retconned, since he doesn't have the same constraints; he's not localized to the japanese pantheon anymore. Like I said before, this would be EXACTLY the same thing as saying Cronos (greek god of time and master of time localized to earth and the greek pantheon only) is now the emobidment of time for all of the marvel universe. Obviously, if he became that, he would be retconned into Eternity's current role. That's what they've done with mikaboshi.

It's not so much they're retconning his origins (though they are, as I said before. In japanese myth as well as marvel he was the void before existence...particuarly in japanese myth he was the void before the CURRENT universe. they've now retconned that to mika being the void before Galan's universe, which precedes the current universe. So yes they have retconned his origin) as they've retconned his status and place in the MU.

EDIT**** According to Marvel solicitations for January for Chaos War #5, Amatsu Mikaboshi, Chaos King, is now called

Spoiler:
ANTI-ETERNITY

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
it is a retcon because all the panetheon lore is just variations of the same story. The hindu pantheons have their own god of destruction (vishnu...i think) and tales of how the world was created, same with the greek pantheons, etc. For example, Hela and Pluto are the same roles within different pantheons. They are NOT taking the role of Death, although they are "death gods." Mikaboshi is a being retconned into an abstract level being that is no longer localized to the japanese pantheon.

For instance, if you always believed Mikaboshi to be the void before existence, then you'd also have to believe that the kami and amaratsu created the universe. You can't believe one side of the mythology, apply it to the entire MU, and then ignore the other side.

Obviously, ameratsu is no where to be found in creating the MU, much less Earth, on panel in any marvel comic aside from those that feature japanese gods. Therefore it's proven that MIkaboshi has been retconned, since he doesn't have the same constraints; he's not localized to the japanese pantheon anymore. Like I said before, this would be EXACTLY the same thing as saying Cronos (greek god of time and master of time localized to earth and the greek pantheon only) is now the emobidment of time for all of the marvel universe. Obviously, if he became that, he would be retconned into Eternity's current role. That's what they've done with mikaboshi.

It's not so much they're retconning his origins (though they are, as I said before. In japanese myth as well as marvel he was the void before existence...particuarly in japanese myth he was the void before the CURRENT universe. they've now retconned that to mika being the void before Galan's universe, which precedes the current universe. So yes they have retconned his origin) as they've retconned his status and place in the MU.

EDIT**** According to Marvel solicitations for January for Chaos War #5, Amatsu Mikaboshi, Chaos King, is now called

Spoiler:
[b]ANTI-ETERNITY

. [/B]

and i already speaked on the chronus thing, cronus was merged with eternity

lets just say not all what the gods think are true but some of the origins (mikaboshi) are true

i still dont see it as a retcon and neither does the poeple at the marvel boards

Shuma Gorath has returned!!!

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/news/ro_shuma-gorath

not part of chaos war though right?

Originally posted by Warlord
not part of chaos war though right?

he maybe behind the cancerverse and be the tie in between chaos war and thanos imperative

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
it is a retcon because all the panetheon lore is just variations of the same story. The hindu pantheons have their own god of destruction (vishnu...i think)

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he maybe behind the tie in between chaos war and thanos imperative

I don't think there would be any

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Shiva actually.

hot six arm chick

maybe, i read an interview where someone ask the writers how would the two stories tie in and he said he is not going to spoil it

it would be actually very good but it would be expecting too much IMO.

Currently Marvel writters give me the feeling that one has no idea what the others are writting (Bendis being the king of that).

Originally posted by Warlord
hot six arm chick

Shiva is a summon in Final Fantasy games. Get your sh*t right, poozers!

😛

I feel bad for Brahma. He's like the Aquaman of the trimurti (Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva). He also never gets mentioned in pop culture depictions so far as I can tell. Marvel seems to believe that Indian religion has just one God-Head/Skyfather: Vishnu, rather than three.

Depending on who you ask, Vishnu and Brahma grovel at Shiva's feet.

Most things I've read put him at the top of the Triumvirate.

Shiva > Mikaboshi.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Depending on who you ask, Vishnu and Brahma grovel at Shiva's feet.

Most things I've read put him at the top of the Triumvirate.

Shiva > Mikaboshi.

Brahman come out of Vishnu so in the Hindu religion Shiva or Vishnu are the prime gods and rest a creation of Brahma.

The three do balance creation though.

The issue was alright. I hope this event becomes the stepping stone for Skyfather's -at least Odin- regaining their status.

Hercules being amped to Skyfather levels might turn out well after all.

Spoiler:
I didn't expect for him to simply summon Eternity and then Galactus.

I wonder how the Zeus/Galactus battle will turn out.

Originally posted by Digi
Shiva is a summon in Final Fantasy games. Get your sh*t right, poozers!

😛

yep an ice lady if my memory serves well