Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanTell me, what about the way Zaku attacks even implies that the sound plays any part in the damage at all? 😐 The only aspect of his abilities that is even an attack is the air pressure.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/53/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/56/08/Pre-Timeskip, not even Chuunin level Sasuke > supersonic attacks. Something else to note about that instance is that Sasuke didn't just dodge it, but he moved out of the way, picked up Naruto and Sakura, carried them both on his body (three times the weight) and dropped them off on the other side of the clearing, before it even happened.
So, not just faster then the super sonic attack many times faster then the super sonic attack.
As I have already proven to you a dozen times, pre timeskip Temari > speed of sound.
Pre timeskip Kyuubi Naruto moves so fast that the friction he creates by moving ignites the air itself and instantly incinerates objects around him, hence, faster then sound.
pre timeskip Rock lee with gates tears apart solid rock by running and jumping on it.
None of these characters are top tier, and were considered to be relatively weak and slow compared to the stronger ninjas of the time. Post timeskip they're even stronger.
etc. And by the by, flintlock pistols did not fire bullets at a velocity anywhere near modern guns do.
EDIT- Also,
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/5/17/
You're assuming that they fired the bullets and then he traveled the distance and landed before the bullets could get there. The scan doesn't imply that though.
Also, is that a mistranslation, or is Kishimoto an idiot? Sound waves do not travel at supersonic speeds... Because they are the standard for sonic speed. 😐
Dosu actually attacked with sound, and no one was able to dodge his attacks.
Temari was able to deflect the Genjutsu by movie her arms maybe four to five feet, when the sound was originating from about fifty feet away. We also know that Temari reacted to the sound before it made the much longer distance towards her based on the art showing us her fan was already in motion.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/213/11/
Transonic, maybe, not supersonic.
The friction of his body moving against the air? It might also have something to do with him being essentially on fire when in Kyuubi form. 😐
So does Hulk. Who is, relatively speaking, not that fast, and we know that for his age-group Rock Lee is very strong. Rock Lee is extremely fast even compared to Jounin, not even jounin were able to break through Gaara's defense, Lee did. Same also goes for Sasuke.
Also, fun fact, do you know why Kishimoto said that there are no guns in Naruto? Because it would be unfair, bullets can travel at 1,000 meters per second, roughly mach 3. According to Kishi, Naruto ninjas cannot handle mach 3.
I assume he landed before the bullets could get there? 😐 Well, I think that because his body was able to, you know, BLOCK all of the bullets. We see that Luffy is at the window-sill about the times the marines fire, and then the very next panel he is there, blocking the bullets.
This is all a moot point though, Zoro was able to dodge the attacks by Bartholomew Kuma, whom is able to push at speeds that allow him to send others miles in a few seconds, Kuma claimed he can push at lightspeed but this is probably hyperbole. Luffy is as fast as Zoro is, and has consistently been the entire series. In fact, Luffy is the strongest of his crew.
Originally posted by Etna
I dont think so...Sorry but Luffy is barley anything similar to Goku besides certain personality's.
-Both are morons except when it comes to fighting
-Both go out of their way to help others.
-Both are carefree
-are willing to be friends with anybody good or evil
-Both love to eat a lot.
Considering some of those things are a constant theme in the One Piece they are very similar characters.
Originally posted by kgkg
Just to Name a Few-Both are morons except when it comes to fighting
-Both go out of their way to help others.
-Both are carefree
-are willing to be friends with anybody good or evil
-Both love to eat a lot.
Considering some of those things are a constant theme in the One Piece they are very similar characters.
both have ridiculous strength progression
both go apeshit when you kill thier friends
Both convert enemies into friends
Originally posted by kgkg
Just to Name a Few-Both are morons except when it comes to fighting
Luffy is not a Moron. He tends to know a lot more then he shows in several points in the series.
Originally posted by kgkg
Just to Name a Few-Both go out of their way to help others.
This is also not entirely true. Luffy goes out of his way to help his crew. (his Nakama). When luffy grows hungry, he sometime won't care to much for anyone in need of help. He has laughed at drowning strangers and marines
And Doesn't think twice to defeat or kill an evil person
Goku on the other hand likes to give his opponents a 2nd or more chances to live and be good. He'll do anything to help anyone
Originally posted by kgkg
-Both are carefree
Goku likes to train and grow strong all the time. He is not as carefree as Luffy
Originally posted by kgkg-are willing to be friends with anybody good or evil
Luffy isn't willing to help anyone evil.
Originally posted by kgkg-Both love to eat a lot.
Yes, its true. They both have some of the biggest appetite in anime/manga
This is one of those certain personality's they both share that i had mentioned.
One Piece may have been inspired by DragonBall Z (like a lot of mangas)
But Luffy and Goku are 2 original characters
You say "Just to name a few" I'd like to hear more things Goku and Luffy share. Outside of Personality's
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
both have ridiculous strength progressionboth go apeshit when you kill thier friends
Both convert enemies into friends
Goku is a little more strength progression then Luffy. Being the fact that Goku gets 6+ different power ups threw out the series
And destroys planets
Character going "apeshit" when a friend dies. Is a common trait to characters, especially in mangas.
Besides that, Luffy has yet to have a Dead Friend. Only a dead family member. He goes apeshit for several different reasons
Luffy does not convert enemies in to friends. He defeats them
Originally posted by Etna Luffy is not a Moron. He tends to know a lot more then he shows in several points in the series.
This is also not entirely true. Luffy goes out of his way to help his crew. (his Nakama). When luffy grows hungry, he sometime won't care to much for anyone in need of help. He has laughed at drowning strangers and marines And Doesn't think twice to defeat or kill an evil personOf course you will find instances of Luffy not giving a shit... but in general if someone is in trouble he will help just like Goku.
Goku on the other hand likes to give his opponents a 2nd or more chances to live and be good. He'll do anything to help anyoneWhat can I say DBZ characters are tricky plus Goku's fights are so dangerous the he cannot just defeat his opponents usually it will end in death which is hardly the case in One Piece.
It's not like Luffy has killed his opponents.. let's see
-He is now teaming with Buggy
-He only defeated Arlong and others
-Was Enemies with Mr. 2 than became good friends.
-Only defeated Crocodile and now teaming with him
- Become friends with Robin who was suppose to be a bad character.
etc Luffy has his share of being friend with the enimes like Goku and as I explained the reason why Goku asks them to change their way it because it's a choices between killing them or not if it was just punching them out well Goku does that to his family remember let alone his enemies.
Goku likes to train and grow strong all the time. He is not as carefree as Luffy
Luffy isn't willing to help anyone evil.Evil is a little bit more fuzzy in one piece but he was willing to help Robin for example. Goku doesn't help evil but he gives people a second chance...just like how Luffy can see the good in people.
One Piece may have been inspired by DragonBall Z (like a lot of mangas) But Luffy and Goku are 2 original characters You say "Just to name a few" I'd like to hear more things Goku and Luffy share. Outside of Personality's
Naruto , Luffy are very inspired character borrowing heavily from Goku even the writers have admitted they were inspired by it.
But hey those clumsy eating a lot characters seem to work wonders.
Originally posted by kgkg
Just to Name a Few-Both are morons except when it comes to fighting
-Both go out of their way to help others.
-Both are carefree
-are willing to be friends with anybody good or evil
-Both love to eat a lot.
Considering some of those things are a constant theme in the One Piece they are very similar characters.
These are cliches for just about every shounen hero in existence.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, fun fact, do you know why Kishimoto said that there are no guns in Naruto? Because it would be unfair, bullets can travel at 1,000 meters per second, roughly mach 3. According to Kishi, Naruto ninjas cannot handle mach 3.
I'm not in total disagreement with your main point, but I do have to say, this is false. Kishimoto said that the reason he didn't want guns in the Naruto universe, is because it would make kunai obsolete. After all, what's easier, aiming, pulling back your arm, and throwing knives, or aiming and pulling a trigger?
guns don't exist in 'Naruto' for the simple fact that, 'Naruto' is about ninjas and ninjas have never been shown to use guns.
EDIT: Also, I'm gonna call bullshit on Naruto ninja's not being able to dodge or counter a bullet. Snakes eyes deflets bullets and he is no where close to being as fast as a 'Naruto' ninja.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanMost of whom are based on Goku, Dragonball Z is the archetype shounen anime, it is natural you would find similarities between protagonists, they are generally similar to Goku (Naruto and Luffy) and a bit more rarely on Yusuke Urameshi of Yu Yu Hakusho (Ichigo for one).
These are cliches for just about every shounen hero in existence.
Also, Ize you may be right on the bullet statement, will look for the actual quote later.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Most of whom are based on Goku, Dragonball Z is the archetype shounen anime, it is natural you would find similarities between protagonists, they are generally similar to Goku (Naruto and Luffy) and a bit more rarely on Yusuke Urameshi of Yu Yu Hakusho (Ichigo for one).Also, Ize you may be right on the bullet statement, will look for the actual quote later.
Well technically, Astro Boy was running around doing Goku-esque things in a Goku-esque manner nearly 40 years before Dragon Ball was even created.
I do remember reading something about Kishi getting inspirations from DBZ though.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
I wandered through google for about half an hour looking for a reputable source actually stating that he he moved at the speed of light, couldnt find anything.as for the databook, i couldnt find a copy of it that included data on him. so id have to see it to believe it.
Originally posted by Makyou Hyoushou
Demonic Mirroring Ice Crystals (–‚‹¾•X», Makyou Hyoushou)
Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, Close to mid-range (0-10m)
User: HakuThe abominable and tremendous ability, passed down only within Haku's clan... The "Kekkei Genkai: Demonic Mirroring Ice Crystals" is a technique wrapped up in many mysteries. Only one thing is clear: it is said that no method in existence can defeat this technique. In an instant, multiple mirrors of ice are created around the enemy, reflecting nothing but Haku. For Haku, it's possible to move between the mirrors at the speed of light. It's impossible to see attacks send out from this literal light speed movement. For the opponent, nothing is left but to wait in amazement.
«Every single ice mirror shows Haku's reflection!? Under these circumstances, one could say it's impossible to see all of Haku's attacks.
[picture of Sasuke being surrounded by mirrors reflecting Haku]The technique carved in cursed blood
Inside the demonic mirrors is Haku's phantom world!![picture of Naruto's Shadow Clones being defeated by Haku]
©Naruto tries to attack the real body, but the moment after he starts his attack, Haku has already moved to another mirror.
Though controversial, if you decide to go by the data book. This technique has it limitations. It consumes a lot of chakra and the light speed movement seem only to work when Haku's destination is another mirror. Sasuke was able to detect and recognize Haku's movement pattern, since Haku's initial intention wasn't to kill him. Kyuubi (nine-tails) Naruto was able to react because Haku made a leap towards the ground rather than being transported by light to another mirror.
